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Cheney's Shocking Attack On Palin - Was Dick Cheney Ever a True Conservative?

Posted on 08/02/2012 8:53:50 AM PDT by pinochet

Did you all read Dick Cheney's outrageous and offensive attack on Sarah Palin? He said that it was a mistake for John McCain to select her as running mate in 2008.

See: http://news.yahoo.com/dick-cheney-picking-sarah-palin-vp-mistake-130904846--abc-news-politics.html

After all the hell that Palin, her husband, and her children, have suffered being attacked by the mainstream media in the most personal terms, we get to hear this garbage coming out of Dick Cheney's mouth. I am still shaking with rage over Cheney's stupidity and lack of shame. Cheney should be ashamed of himself, and he should apologize. Palin electrified American conservatives in a way in which no candidate on the Presidential ticket has, with the exception of Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan. Palin is the Goldwater and Reagan of our time, because all three conservative heroes were opposed by the corrupt Rockefeller Republicans. Sarah appeals to church-going people, which makes her very appealing to the Reagan Democrats who share her social values. It was McCain who lost the election, not Palin.

Cheney's disgusting attack, forces us to look at his alleged conservative credentials. Cheney was Gerald Ford's White House Chief of Staff, when America suffered its first military defeat in the 20th Century, when America removed its troops from Vietnam. Cheney played a role in the greatest humiliation that America has ever suffered in it's history. The only other military defeat that America suffered was by Britain in the War of 1812, but Britain was the world's leading super power in that time. Cheney, Gerald Ford, and Nelson Rockefeller, caused America to be defeated by Vietnam, a third world hell hole. Gerald Ford was the Jimmy Carter of the Republican Party, and Cheney was his top advisor.

Cheney served in the Cabinet of GHW Bush, when he called for a new world order. Like Bush Sr. and Gerald Ford, Cheney is a Rockefeller Republican, who has succeeded in fooling people that he is a conservative. His open support for his daughter Mary's lesbian lifestyle, and for gay rights in general, shows his contempt for America's Bible believing Christians who love God more than they love corporate profits. Shame on you Dick Cheney!


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Palin is the people's conservative, while Cheney is the corporate conservative. God, family, and country, are at the center of Palin's conservatism, while corporations are at the center of Cheney's so-called conservatism. Go Sarah! I wish you would run again in 2016, this time at the top of the ticket. Reagan was elected on his third Presidential campaign, after failing in 1968 and 1976. You are young, and you still have plenty of time left. Go Sarah!
1 posted on 08/02/2012 8:54:00 AM PDT by pinochet
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To: pinochet
Cheney would be lucky if he could even come near to the conservative standard of Palin. Cheney must be off his rocker.
2 posted on 08/02/2012 8:58:41 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: pinochet
Cheney was always part of the old boys network. His allegiance has always been to the Bushes. I am not so sure that he wants women in ‘high places’ and particularly not someone like Palin who cleaned house and got rid of the corruption (at least for awhile)
3 posted on 08/02/2012 8:59:10 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: pinochet

I think this is an over reaction on your part and I would be careful to not fall into the cult of personality thing for Palin. I like her too but she has said some things that whe was wrong about as well. Like stating that Condi Rice would make a good VP pick. Totally and utterly wrong.


4 posted on 08/02/2012 9:00:16 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: pinochet
I don't think it was an outright attack since Cheney was simply answering a question and didn't voluntarily go on a rant like Rove or Rollins, BUT he thoughtlessly demonstrated the typical GOP-E mindset about her, and by extension TEA Party Conservatives.

I'm glad his daughter quickly set him right, but the damage was already done by that point.

5 posted on 08/02/2012 9:00:53 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: pinochet
Cheney, Gerald Ford, and Nelson Rockefeller, caused America to be defeated by Vietnam..

Mmmm ... I don't think so...


His criticism is pretty much worthless unless he can offer up an example of someone that he thinks would have been better than Palin. Did he?
6 posted on 08/02/2012 9:01:21 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Logical me

Begs the question... where did they get the heart they sewed into him


7 posted on 08/02/2012 9:01:21 AM PDT by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: pinochet

Dick Cheney is a RINO Turd in the vein of Poppy Bush, Geranl Ford and George Rommney.


8 posted on 08/02/2012 9:02:03 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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The only other military defeat that America suffered was by Britain in the War of 1812, but Britain was the world's leading super power in that time.

Huh, I thought we won the war of 1812.

9 posted on 08/02/2012 9:02:24 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: pinochet

See for yourself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnpN07J_zg


10 posted on 08/02/2012 9:03:56 AM PDT by NeoCaveman ("If I had a son he'd look like B.O.'s lunch" - Rin Tin Tin)
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To: Nifster

“His allegiance has always been to the Bushes”, and the Fords.


11 posted on 08/02/2012 9:05:53 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: frogjerk

>>>>I like her too but she has said some things that whe was wrong about as well. Like stating that Condi Rice would make a good VP pick. Totally and utterly wrong

Ronald Reagan made mistakes as well, such as being a Democrat for many years. Reagan openly admitted that mistake in reply to a question from Sam Donaldson. See this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh2DeQtVyJM


12 posted on 08/02/2012 9:08:08 AM PDT by pinochet
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To: pinochet

No.


13 posted on 08/02/2012 9:09:25 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: pinochet

Condi Rice would sure as heck make a better VP that the dolt we have now!


14 posted on 08/02/2012 9:09:47 AM PDT by JaguarXKE (If my Fluffy had a puppy, it would look like the puppy Obama ate!)
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To: pinochet

I hadn’t thought about Cheney being a Rockefeller man, but he was; did he urge Rockefeller to step down in favor of Dole, another “winner”?


15 posted on 08/02/2012 9:10:21 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Past is prologue: The American people again let us down in this election cycle.)
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To: pinochet

Cheney = Gravitas

He was the foundation of his ticket, because Bush was easily flustered on the podium. Plus Cheney had significant international exposure.

But McCain was no Bush. He was too old, too GREEN, too RINO. That ticket needed Palin more than anything. She’s a political rock star. The gay dominated media know it and are afraid.

Until this past month, independents did not understand that there is such a thing as a gay mafia controlling much of news and entertainment. And now, big city mayors.


16 posted on 08/02/2012 9:10:55 AM PDT by cicero2k
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To: smokingfrog

“Cheney, Gerald Ford, and Nelson Rockefeller, caused America to be defeated by Vietnam..” uhhh NOPE, it was MacNamera, LBJ and a WORTHLESS Piece of SH!T DEM “Congress”!


17 posted on 08/02/2012 9:13:03 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: pinochet
C'mon. Cheney did not attack Palin.

Dick Cheney expressed his opinion that Palin, as VP, was not ready to take over the US presidency in 2008. He represented the OLD SCHOOL inside DC GOP think.

Personally I think Cheney made a mistake, but that does not qualify as 'attack Palin'.

18 posted on 08/02/2012 9:13:59 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: pinochet

McCain’s campaign did a great job picking Palin..the problem is they did a poor job defending her and in some cases did some negative piling on themselves. In that sense she was not the best pick for VP for that particular campaign.


19 posted on 08/02/2012 9:15:27 AM PDT by noexcuses
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To: pinochet
Agreed. Considering that Cheney started out young as a jerk, and it was his wife that inspired him to become reasonably responsible, he should have a lot more respect for capable and worthy women.

Note that his own daughter also put him in his place, as did Palin, both effectively, without trashing him.

Stupidity, thanks, Dick.

Sorry, I mean thanks dick.

20 posted on 08/02/2012 9:15:33 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: pinochet

Its was the lamestream media that defined Dick Cheney as a “conservative.”

I stopped letting the media tell me who a “conservative” was back in the 70s.

Back then I listened to the fiery radio preachers-commentators who spoke out against the Council on Foreign Relations, Bilderberg Conferences etc.

Lots of Republicans like Rockefeller and Kissinger were part of those groups and their strategy back then was to bring “order” to the world back then involving “detente” with the Soviet Union.

Thank God Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn and Ronald Reagan were around to speak out against the Ford-Rockefeller-Kissinger strategy.

Dick Cheney worked for Gerald Ford, a liberal Republican president who had Nelson Rockefeller as VP and Kissinger as Secretary of State.

Dick Cheney never was a conservative. The “order” that he and the Condi Rice’s want today aparently involves a 21st Century “detente” with Islam.

Think about that????????


21 posted on 08/02/2012 9:17:12 AM PDT by Nextrush (PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN IS MY DREAM)
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To: cicero2k

“Gay Mafia” - describes it to a T. I think you may have coined a new phrase.


22 posted on 08/02/2012 9:18:04 AM PDT by Twinkie (Obama; fundamentally turning America into Sodom & Gomorrah one EO at a time.)
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To: pinochet

Palin was also following Reagan’s commandment to speak no ill against another Republican.

Condi didn’t have a chance in heck of actually being picked by Romney, and if Palin had in any way dissed her, all kinds of ‘cat fight’ stories would have been made of it.


23 posted on 08/02/2012 9:18:58 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Breto

I have seen people change after they have received a heart transplant.


24 posted on 08/02/2012 9:21:42 AM PDT by Rodm
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To: frogjerk

If you parse it, a good VP pick doesn’t mean the same thing as a good VP. (I wasn’t fond of that recommendation either, but what else is she going to say without appearing to be a jealous female or a racist?)


25 posted on 08/02/2012 9:23:15 AM PDT by Mach9
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To: frogjerk

>>>Huh, I thought we won the war of 1812

America’s goal in 1812 was to seize Canada, and it failed in that mission. But you are right, “defeat” is too strong a world for the War of 1812. That war was a draw, similar to the Korean War of the 1950s.

This actually strengthens my point. Cheney played a major role in the only military defeat that America has ever suffered in her history. Americans who were alive in that time, can never forget the TV images of helicopters being pushed from transport ships into the sea, to make space for people who were fleeing from the Vietcong. America has never fully recovered from the humiliation of Vietnam, and Cheney owes our Vietnam Vets an apology for ending a war that America was winning.


26 posted on 08/02/2012 9:23:30 AM PDT by pinochet
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To: US Navy Vet
it was MacNamera, LBJ and a WORTHLESS Piece of SH!T DEM “Congress”!

Don't forget the liberal MSM and the worm Cronkite.

27 posted on 08/02/2012 9:25:47 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: pinochet

Didn’t we used to like him?


28 posted on 08/02/2012 9:31:53 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: pinochet

Cheney has just been inside the Beltway too long. The attitude is typical. No yahoo from out in the sticks can possibly be qualified to crash OUR game.


29 posted on 08/02/2012 9:33:07 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: pinochet

It would not have mattered who was #2 on the McCain ticket, McCain was the mistake. How he ever got the nomination is beyond me. I voted for him but had to hold my nose to do it.


30 posted on 08/02/2012 9:34:02 AM PDT by vet7279
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To: pinochet
America’s goal in 1812 was to seize Canada, and it failed in that mission

Wasn't the war of 1812 America's "Second war of Independence" that as a result of the impressment of American sailors by Great Britain?

31 posted on 08/02/2012 9:36:14 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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...people who were fleeing from the Vietcong....

Actually, it was the North Vietnamese Army. The Vietcong had largely been defeated as a military force during the Tet offensive of 1968. We had kicked the crap out of the NVA too, but were undermined by politicians in Washington who had decided they wanted to wimp out of what it took to finish them off.

32 posted on 08/02/2012 9:37:26 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: pinochet

Well, on the “fiscal” side of conservatism, the Bush-Cheney years hardly represents an exemplary record (isn’t there some quote of Cheney’s dismissing the importance of deficits or the national debt?), and on the “social” side of conservatism... supporting homo-marriage?? Lost a LOT of respect for him especially over this latter stance.

Added to all this, he epitomizes the kind of ruling-class GOP establishment, who looks down on both “outsiders” and “reformers” like Palin. Frankly, although I’ve held no real animus towards Cheney, I’m so damned sick of this kind of elitist, backstabbing condescention by the GOP-e towards both the Tea Party and especially Palin. It infuriates me beyond words, and has instilled in me a tremendous distrust and anger towards the very Party I’ve exclusively supported and voted for my entire voting life.


33 posted on 08/02/2012 9:37:36 AM PDT by greene66
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To: pinochet

The liberal Democrats rode the public opinion wave and led the way in defeat in Vietnam.

Of course, it started with a no-win fear of nuclear war strategy used by LBJ and his Democrat gang.

They used pin prick bombing or bombed the Ho Chi Minh trail instead of Haiphong harbor, where the supply line for the Communists started.

This war was doomed to drag on just like the W Bush-Cheney war in Afghanistan today.

That left the opening for Cronkite and others to change public opinion about it.

The “peace with honor” that Nixon and Kissinger waved before us in 1972 was a joke in the end. It got our prisoners out but the Communists broke the deal and conquered the South with Gerald Ford watching on and the Congressional Democrats unwilling to lift a finger.


34 posted on 08/02/2012 9:37:53 AM PDT by Nextrush (PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN IS MY DREAM)
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To: Timber Rattler

True, but this does show the hypocrisy of GOPe types when they call for that “unity” , when it comes to backing Romney and their favored politicians. Loyalty seems to be a one-way street, judging from the way they are always blasting true conservatives while telling us we need to unite behind the chosen ones. They’re quick to stab conservatives in the back. We musn’t hurt their profits, but they can run right over our principles. They do it on a regular basis, especially in elections between a conservative and one of their picks.


35 posted on 08/02/2012 9:42:06 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: US Navy Vet

>>>>“Cheney, Gerald Ford, and Nelson Rockefeller, caused America to be defeated by Vietnam..” uhhh NOPE, it was MacNamera, LBJ and a WORTHLESS Piece of SH!T DEM “Congress”!

But you are forgetting that Richard Nixon turned the Vietnam War around, and America forced North Vietnam to the negotiating able. Nixon had already won the Vietnam War, and all that was remaining was a formal surrender from the government of North Vietnam.

The Watergate mess made it impossible for North Vietnam to formally surrender. Gerald Ford and Dick Cheney were given the job of completing America’s victory, because Nixon had done most of the hard work. But Cheney and Ford failed in that simple task. America has never apologized to our Vietnam Veterans, for snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory in 1975. Dick Cheney should lead the apology process to our brave veterans, who have never received the honor that they deserve.


36 posted on 08/02/2012 9:42:36 AM PDT by pinochet
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To: pinochet

What do you expect from the Veep of a “compassionate” conservative?


37 posted on 08/02/2012 9:43:50 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: pinochet

VNA General Giap(Head VNA General) stated that in the end of the Tet Offensive the VC and NVA were a spent force and were contemplating surrender and then they heard that POS Cronkite shooting off his mouth and they decided to fight on.


38 posted on 08/02/2012 9:46:58 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: pinochet

Cheney, Bush and Rove just have a different take on what
conservative means. However, Cheney’s opinion on “experience” needed on becoming VP is way off the mark.

All the “experience” he, Rove and Bush brought to the table
during their administration did not gain a lot of confidence
at the end of the Bush presidency.

The Bush administration finished with one of lowest approval
ratings in American History and opened the door for Obama.

So much for Cheney’s “experience” opinion.


39 posted on 08/02/2012 9:48:41 AM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: mrsmel
Loyalty seems to be a one-way street, judging from the way they are always blasting true conservatives while telling us we need to unite behind the chosen ones.

Yep! Remember Lugar's sour grapes refusal to support Mourdock after losing the Indiana primary

40 posted on 08/02/2012 9:50:31 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: pinochet
I am greatly saddened by Dick Cheney's comment but something about it doesn't ring true.

This is so out of character for the Dick Cheney who earned my respect as VP.

Has he agreed to be the attack dog to knock Sarah down for someone else?

Ronald Reagan:

"The personal attacks against me during the primary finally became so heavy that the state Republican chairman, Gaylord Parkinson, postulated what he called the Eleventh Commandment: Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican. It's a rule I followed during that campaign and have ever since."


41 posted on 08/02/2012 9:50:45 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: onedoug

>>>Actually, it was the North Vietnamese Army. The Vietcong had largely been defeated as a military force during the Tet offensive of 1968. We had kicked the crap out of the NVA too,

You are right in noting that America defeated the Vietcong, and the credit belongs to Richard Nixon and our brave troops. All that America needed to do, was to get a face-saving way for North Vietnam to surrender. But Cheney and Ford turned this American victory in Vietnam into a defeat, and Americans have never held Dick Cheney accountable. His nerve in attacking Sarah Palin, gives us an opportunity to ask Cheney how he turned Nixon’s victory in Vietnam into a defeat.


42 posted on 08/02/2012 9:58:02 AM PDT by pinochet
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To: frogjerk; pinochet
Huh, I thought we won the war of 1812.

Our good friends in American claim a victory for America in that war. My adopted country Canada also claims victory for Canada. The British historians say it was a draw. I will go with a draw. Each side withdrew to the boundaries prior to the war. One tiny exception though.

Of course the greatest victory over the British was at the Battle of New Orleans (1815). The peace treaty with America had already been signed on neutral territory. This was Ghent in Belgium. Communications took too long to get to New Orleans.

I hope you do not mind this ramble. Extensive recreations in Canada this year of the war. One tiny island near us, the Drummond Island. Michigan was occupied by the British up until 1827. Nice museum near there. The Americans delivered a polite note. Gentlemen, they said, if you do not vacate Drummond Island quickly, the next time we will come well armed. Bye bye to the last remaining occupied part of America.

Just thought a little history is in order. Oh, surprised and disappointed with Mr Cheney. Sarah Palin is the gold.

43 posted on 08/02/2012 10:00:10 AM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: stuartcr
Didn’t we used to like him?

Hey, I finally agree with you!

44 posted on 08/02/2012 10:11:41 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: pinochet

CLASSIC CLIP!


45 posted on 08/02/2012 10:13:10 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: pinochet

Dick like Newt was one of those types who thought that their Collage Education was more important that ACTUALLY serving their county so they both “deferred’ thier way out of service.


46 posted on 08/02/2012 10:14:02 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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>>>>I think this is an over reaction on your part and I would be careful to not fall into the cult of personality thing for Palin.

Why is it that Democrats are permitted to have personality cults over their leaders, and not Republicans? The liberals swoon over JFK, RFK, Ted Kennedy, and their camelot fairy tales. We are always required to worship FDR for supposedly getting us out of the Great Depression, and for fighting fascism. What about the cult of the ObamaMessiah?

I admit that I am a Palin cultist. I love our conservative heroes - Calvin Coolidge, Robert Taft, Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan, and Sarah Palin, as much as the Democrats love their heroes.


47 posted on 08/02/2012 10:17:25 AM PDT by pinochet
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To: pinochet

I would love to see the two of them debate economic or foreign policy.


48 posted on 08/02/2012 10:22:53 AM PDT by Kinder Gentler Machinegun Hand
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>> Why is it that Democrats are permitted to have personality cults over their leaders, and not Republicans?

Because they’re idiots, and we’re not. Their latest cult leader led them off a cliff ... which tends to happen when you put all your faith in one fallible person rather than in the ideas that drive them.

I disagree with Cheney. But, his is not a completely unreasonable opinion. He likes Palin, but he doesn’t think she was ready for prime-time. Whatever. I think he’s completely wrong ... but it doesn’t undermine his credibility with me.

SnakeDoc


49 posted on 08/02/2012 10:24:04 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens, Justified)
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To: pinochet

Commendable that Liz C. took Dear Ol’ Dad to the woodshed for his opinion — told him that Palin had more experience than Obama and Biden combined.

Liz would be a great VP. Too bad the “Cheney” name now has such a negative connotation thanks to the MSM.


50 posted on 08/02/2012 10:26:11 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (How to starve an Obama supporter: Hide his food stamps under his work shoes.)
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