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Court Prevents Forcible Shaving of Alleged Ft. Hood Shooter
breitbart.com ^ | August 16, 2012 | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 08/18/2012 2:37:31 PM PDT by PROCON

Court proceedings against accused Ft. Hood shooter Major Nidal Hasan were halted by an order issued Wednesday by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces. The order came as Col. Gregory Gross, the judge presiding over Hasan's court-martial, announced that Hasan would be forcibly shaved if he did not comply with Army regulations and shave his beard himself.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: forthoodmassacre; haman; islamofacism; nidalhasan; nidalhasantrial; usarmy
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I am p!ssed that this muslim jihadist/terrorist, oops, I mean workplace violence perpetrator isn't rotting in a grave somewhere!

I heard somewhere that the 0bama regime doesn't want this court case happening until after the November election, what a sham!

1 posted on 08/18/2012 2:37:39 PM PDT by PROCON
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To: PROCON

They need to shave his head- right off his neck.


2 posted on 08/18/2012 2:38:49 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: GenXteacher
Right at the Adam's Apple level and all the way through, front to back side to side.
3 posted on 08/18/2012 2:46:30 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: PROCON

It seems to me the refusal to shave by this POS is just more insubordination to military orders so it could be added to the existing charges (or maybe not since, really, the multiple murder counts completely overwhelm the beard thing). I think it is in fact a tactic, prompted by orders up the chain of command, to postpone the case until comfortably after the election.


4 posted on 08/18/2012 2:47:02 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: PROCON

He’s a member of the armed services....THAT calls for “shaven”. It also calls for a firing squad.


5 posted on 08/18/2012 2:47:43 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: PROCON

Doesn’t really matter to the firing squad. Lets get it on.


6 posted on 08/18/2012 2:49:26 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Logical me

Does this mean that any service member can postpone a court martial by just refusing to shave?


7 posted on 08/18/2012 2:52:58 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: PROCON
Hey, Army Bro! They ought to forcibly shave his beard, then forcibly shave his pubic hair - both operations with a rusty straightedge razor!



Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

8 posted on 08/18/2012 2:53:56 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: PROCON

Actually, if what I understand is correct, he is partially paralyzed and that is a good start. Frankly, I want him to go through the long nights of urinary tract infections and the other ills that many of our brave SERVING servicemen have been forced to accept. I don’t want him to be a martyr or to have a blessedly quick death.

First, a televised drum-head “stripping of rank” ceremony where every piece of brass and honor is systematically stripped from the prisoner, where he ends up alone on the parade ground with an ugly suit, disgraced and dishonored to the MAX! Then, given my druthers, I’d love to reprise the Achille Lauro with him in the starring role of Leon Klinghoffer, only this time tossing him in alive. Maybe we should smear him with pig fat and chum the waters for sharks to accompany him down.


9 posted on 08/18/2012 3:00:13 PM PDT by SES1066 (Government is NOT the reason for my existence!)
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To: PROCON

10 posted on 08/18/2012 3:00:40 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: SES1066
First, a televised drum-head “stripping of rank” ceremony where every piece of brass and honor is systematically stripped from the prisoner, where he ends up alone on the parade ground with an ugly suit, disgraced and dishonored to the MAX!

Do you really believe that this psychopath can even *spell* the word "dishonor",let alone actually *experience* it?

11 posted on 08/18/2012 3:14:59 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Word Is Out,Harry Reid's Into Child Porn.Release All Your Photos,Harry!)
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To: PROCON

So try him with the beard.


12 posted on 08/18/2012 3:28:50 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: PROCON
Army regulations state .. shave

Court says .. no

Court is in contempt of the Army


So what can happen if they shave him forceably ... Courts Martial the Army?


These muzzies are screwing up our nation and I want them out'a here !

13 posted on 08/18/2012 3:34:15 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: PROCON

WANTED: Elderly alcoholic to preform a shave using a straight razor. Bad eyesight and advanced Parkinson’s disease a plus. No experience required.


14 posted on 08/18/2012 3:36:05 PM PDT by JPG (Make it happen.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Do you really believe that this psychopath can even *spell* the word "dishonor",let alone actually *experience* it?

There is and has been a reason for public ceremonies, they are society's way of rewarding or punishing behavior and educating others in reward and punishment. I believe we could show in a very visual manner, the entire world, how despicable this animal is. Besides, the screams of the outraged liberals at such a ceremony would be music to my ears!

15 posted on 08/18/2012 3:51:54 PM PDT by SES1066 (Government is NOT the reason for my existence!)
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To: JPG

I’m pretty sure I saw a Sikh in an Army uniform wearing a turban and sporting a beard. Cant remember what base it was on. Are there religious exemptions in AR 670-1?


16 posted on 08/18/2012 3:54:04 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: PROCON; All
I am the Senior Installation Court Reporter/Stenographer for Fort Hood and, to say the least, this headline is a little bit misleading.

The Court of Military Appeals for the Army stayed the proceedings after the defense filed a writ to appeal a ruling by the mililtary judge; the ruling by COL Gross was on the defense motion to delay the proceedings until 9 October. The military judge ruled that the proceedings would not be delayed and would start on 20 August as docketed. When the defense filed the writ against the judge's ruling, the appeals court granted a temporary stay in the proceedings to allow review of the transcript and the judge's ruling by the appeals court.

Myself and the court reporter assigned to the case worked extremely hard on Thursday, Friday, and today to get the verbatim court transcript ready to go to the appeals court on Monday (for which there is a noon deadline on Monday) so that they can make a ruling on the defense appeal of the military judge's ruling.

Essentially, yes, it does have the effect of stopping the military judge from having the accused forcibly shaven before trial. As the trial has been delayed for the appellate process, there is no need to do so at this time. However, if the appeals court does not overturn the judge's ruling that the proceedings not be delayed, the case will be back on the first available day on the docket and we will see the accused clean-shaven, one way or the other.

The judge has been barring the accused from the courtroom during these pretrial motions hearings, requiring him to depart and be sequestered in a temporary building located nearby with one of his defense counsel and able to view the proceedings via closed-circuit video. My understanding of COL Gross' declaration to have the accused forcibly shaven if he will not do so himelf is to avoid the possibility of rerversible error if the accused is not physically present in court, as Constitutionally directed, to face his accusers, and the defense raises the issue after trial.

To the best of my knowledge, no decision has been made yet on either the issue of forcibly shaving the accused or on the defense-requested delay. The transcript and exhibits aren't due to arrive at the appeals court until noon on Monday and the decision will be made sometime afterwards.

Yes, it does have the same effect as delaying the case because the accused hasn't and won't shave prior to trial. However, no final appellate decision has been made on this at this time. The case is still on the docket for every day for the next two and a half months; the only question will be when it actually starts ... but the clock is ticking now: it will either start fairly immediately if the appeals court backs the military judge's ruling or it will start on 9 October, as the defense requested in its continuance motion.

17 posted on 08/18/2012 3:55:07 PM PDT by BlueLancer ("No friend ever served me, and no enemy ever wronged me, whom I have not repaid in full" (Sulla))
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To: PROCON

I’m surprise this arsehole is still alive. They must have a video on him, 24/7.


18 posted on 08/18/2012 3:56:35 PM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: knarf; All

This might be a silly question, but what in the hell is the Court of Appeals doing having any jurisdiction in a military courts martial? Especially since there has been no final finding and then it should not matter.


19 posted on 08/18/2012 4:03:49 PM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: Menehune56
The only reason the chain of command would issue orders to delay this trial is because they have been ordered to or threatened. The infiltration of the Islamic Brotherhood into EVERY branch and level of government is disgusting. Time to clean house and start deporting these bastards and their American citizens supporters who by their actions have substituted allegiance to this country, this Constitution and this flag for allegiance to the Islamofascists running this country.
You can bet his imperial majesty Comrade El Presidente Caliph Sheik Obama the First absolutely does not want this trial in September or October. Too bad Sen. Lindsay “Goober” Graham, the supposed big time military lawyer doesn't have gonads bigger than a flea and would make a big deal out of this in the national media. Oh yeah, right. He wants the media to be smoochy smoochy with him. Another Progressive Republican. Just what this country needs.
20 posted on 08/18/2012 4:08:11 PM PDT by cashless (Unlike Obama and his supporters, I'd rather be a TEA BAGGER than a TEA BAGGEE.)
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To: PROCON
Why doesn't the court just let him go? If the beard is part of his religion, then killing the infidel is also part of his religion.
21 posted on 08/18/2012 4:10:54 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: PROCON

He continues to receive his Army pay-— he should abide by regulations (with or without being paralyzed). What’s next disability claims for workplace “injury”. Sheesh.


22 posted on 08/18/2012 4:21:04 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Nah, tie the end of my basset hound’s leash to his appendage and throw a Chick Fil A chicken finger.

Quick and neat.


23 posted on 08/18/2012 4:26:13 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: PROCON

Too bad they can’t suspend his pay/benefits while he sports those goat pubes on his mug.


24 posted on 08/18/2012 4:33:20 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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To: PROCON
Unbelievable. The military court erred in this case to begin with. When this asshole showed up in court with a beard the judge should have told him to go shave and be back in court in five minutes.

If he refused the lawful order to shave, then he should have been hauled into a bathroom by MPs, forcibly shaved, and brought back into the courtroom to continue the trial.

Why the military court judge in this case has been pussyfooting around since June on this is ridiculous.

25 posted on 08/18/2012 4:38:07 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: PROCON

Then just shoot the furry bastard and be done with this circus.


26 posted on 08/18/2012 4:43:38 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: PROCON

I’ll happily shave the muzzie bastard with my 12 gauge.


27 posted on 08/18/2012 4:51:13 PM PDT by Eaker (Stripping Americans of their freedom and dignity and rubbing their noses in it is a very bad idea.)
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To: PROCON
solitary confinement and no trial till he shaves or skin him alive and set him on fire... his call
28 posted on 08/18/2012 4:53:36 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: BlueLancer
"Myself" should be "me" in the third paragraph.

[Severe professional embarrassment now ...]

29 posted on 08/18/2012 5:09:37 PM PDT by BlueLancer ("No friend ever served me, and no enemy ever wronged me, whom I have not repaid in full" (Sulla))
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To: BlueLancer
&@&@#%^!!!

Third time is the charm ...

"Myself" should be "I" in the third paragraph.

Maybe it's time to retire ...

30 posted on 08/18/2012 5:11:36 PM PDT by BlueLancer ("No friend ever served me, and no enemy ever wronged me, whom I have not repaid in full" (Sulla))
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To: PROCON

Fine. Don’t shave him. Use a blow torch.


31 posted on 08/18/2012 5:12:57 PM PDT by Dogbert41 ("...The people of Jerusalem are strong, because the Lord Almighty is their God" Zech. 12:5)
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To: mazda77

Hassan killed a civilian: Michael G. Cahill

Cahill was a retired Warrant Officer.

Why not let the State of Texas try Hassan for murder of Cahill.

No, the execution would not come quickly. But the State of Texas still has a death penalty.

There is no question what a TX jury would find.


32 posted on 08/18/2012 5:25:43 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: mazda77
I thought that too, but for the word for ..

"by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces"

I just assumed it is a military court ... but your point is valid ...

Nothing's been adjudicated ... why an appeals court ?

33 posted on 08/18/2012 5:58:29 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: BlueLancer

Thank you for the information.


34 posted on 08/18/2012 6:13:30 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Tailback

perhaps a Field-Grade Article 15, one for each day he refuses to obey a lawful order. 1/2 a month’s pay each time...


35 posted on 08/18/2012 6:43:07 PM PDT by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you're aiming!)
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To: BlueLancer; zot; Interesting Times; SeraphimApprentice; Hurtgen

Blue Lancer, Thank you for the clarifcation of the headline.

See post 17 for Blue Lancer’s clarification.


36 posted on 08/18/2012 6:55:42 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping to post 17.


37 posted on 08/18/2012 7:26:28 PM PDT by zot
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To: BlueLancer
Wow, the people we get the honor of meeting on FR.

Can you comment, not as lawyer understandably, on the comments in post 32 by Texas Fossil?

Will the State of Texas have any recourse for the crime committed against one of its citizens?

38 posted on 08/18/2012 9:46:08 PM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: BlueLancer
Maybe it's time to retire ...

LOL! Don't be so hard on yourself, it seems like you've had it rough the last few days.

Thanks for taking the time to post all the nitty-gritty info.

It's much appreciated!

39 posted on 08/19/2012 4:27:26 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: BlueLancer

“Maybe it’s time to retire ...”

No, Sir. You’re needed right where you are.

Thank you for the very valuable information.


40 posted on 08/19/2012 7:31:15 AM PDT by moovova (OMG...Obama Must Go)
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To: PROCON

We are still paying him his officers’ salary. His ass belongs to us.


41 posted on 08/19/2012 11:01:09 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Only Obama put a dog on the roof of his mouth. Dogs are friends, not food.)
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To: PROCON
I heard somewhere that the 0bama regime doesn't want this court case happening until after the November election, what a sham!

It would seem that this decision would help the case go forward sooner, we can hope.

42 posted on 08/19/2012 11:52:40 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -- George Bernard Shaw)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Oooh! Good idea! Make it hurt a lot!

43 posted on 08/19/2012 11:54:23 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -- George Bernard Shaw)
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To: Slings and Arrows
OUCH!!!
44 posted on 08/19/2012 11:58:25 AM PDT by Stonewall Jackson ("I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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To: BlueLancer

Thank you for this detailed explanation! Love the part where the case is on the docket every day going forward... tick...tick...


45 posted on 08/19/2012 11:59:13 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -- George Bernard Shaw)
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To: Albion Wilde

Don’t forget the aftershave.


46 posted on 08/19/2012 12:00:57 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

Precisely.


47 posted on 08/19/2012 12:01:21 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: BlueLancer
"Myself" should be "me" in the third paragraph.

Not if you're Irish it shouldn't.

48 posted on 08/19/2012 12:02:40 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -- George Bernard Shaw)
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To: BlueLancer
Thanks for the straight poop. These legal proceedings and become very confusing for us in the Peanut Gallery.

"Myself" should be "me" in the third paragraph.

How about, "The court reporter and I..."

49 posted on 08/19/2012 12:05:02 PM PDT by upchuck ("Definition of 'racist:' someone that is winning an argument with a liberal." ~ Peter Brimelow)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Don’t forget the aftershave.

Straight rubbing alcohol. By mouth.

50 posted on 08/19/2012 12:05:55 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -- George Bernard Shaw)
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