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AP IMPACT: CO2 emissions in US drop to 20-year low
The Associated Press (AP) ^ | 17 Aug 2012 | KEVIN BEGOS

Posted on 08/18/2012 5:10:50 PM PDT by newzjunkey

PITTSBURGH (AP) — In a surprising turnaround, the amount of carbon dioxide being released into the atmosphere in the U.S. has fallen dramatically to its lowest level in 20 years, and government officials say the biggest reason is that cheap and plentiful natural gas has led many power plant operators to switch from dirtier-burning coal.

Many of the world's leading climate scientists didn't see the drop coming, in large part because it happened as a result of market forces rather than direct government action against carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas that traps heat in the atmosphere.

Michael Mann, director of the Earth System Science Center at Penn State University, said the shift away from coal is reason for "cautious optimism" about potential ways to deal with climate change. He said it demonstrates that "ultimately people follow their wallets" on global warming.

"There's a very clear lesson here. What it shows is that if you make a cleaner energy source cheaper, you will displace dirtier sources," said Roger Pielke Jr., a climate expert at the University of Colorado ...

While conservation efforts, the lagging economy and greater use of renewable energy are factors in the CO2 decline, the drop-off is due mainly to low-priced natural gas, the agency said.

A frenzy of shale gas drilling in the Northeast's Marcellus Shale and in Texas, Arkansas and Louisiana has caused the wholesale price of natural gas to plummet from $7 or $8 per unit to about $3 over the past four years, making it cheaper to burn than coal for a given amount of energy produced. As a result, utilities are relying more than ever on gas-fired generating plants ...

(Excerpt) Read more at google.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: climatechange; co2; energy; fracking; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; greenpower; kyoto; naturalgas; shale
I guess we didn't need the Kyoto treaty after all, Mr. Gore.

Of course the article still attacks the use of natural gas.

1 posted on 08/18/2012 5:11:07 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: newzjunkey
Agreed. And then there's this:

"What it shows is that if you make a cleaner energy source cheaper, you will displace dirtier sources," said Roger Pielke Jr., a climate expert at the University of Colorado ... "

Of course the AGW phonies had nothing to do with making natural gas cheaper. And while the statement should be trueconomically, my local electricity bills -- already very high -- get higher and higher in line with Obama's promise that they would. The gas price may be cheaper to utilities but they're still screwing their customers.

2 posted on 08/18/2012 5:21:29 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Bernard Marx

>>true economically speaking<< that should be.


3 posted on 08/18/2012 5:23:10 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: newzjunkey
Many of the world's leading climate scientists didn't see the drop coming

Pfffft. And these are the "brainiacs" we're supposed to trust to "save" us all from GW.....

4 posted on 08/18/2012 5:23:17 PM PDT by Libertarian444
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To: newzjunkey
Hmmm, let's see: CO2 emissions drop to a 20 year low, and we have a devastating heat-wave across the country that's decimating the corn crop. Coincidence?

And here we thought CO2 was responsible for global warming! Not possible since we're at a 20 year low and have the hottest summer on record here in Illinois!

5 posted on 08/18/2012 5:24:40 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: newzjunkey
Michael Mann, director of the Earth System Science Center at Penn State University..

Stop right there. Isn't he the same "scientist" that was completely discredited because of some email leaks? ROFL!! Yep, one and the same!

6 posted on 08/18/2012 5:26:10 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative

that Penn State is a helluva place, ain’t it?


7 posted on 08/18/2012 5:27:22 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa (Vote for Goode, end up with evil, pat self on back repeatedly)
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To: Bernard Marx
‘The gas price may be cheaper to utilities but they're still screwing their customers.’

The Electric companies have billions of dollars invested in retrofitting old coal plants to Natural Gas, or in most cases closing those coal fired plants and building new gas fired plants.

Even with the massive increase in known reserves and the technology to extract it at low cost, Coal is only more expensive to use because of the burdensome and retrograde regulations of CO2 sequestration and storage requirements.

This is an EPA scam and your electric bill shows it.

All the money used to retrofit and build new gas plants to replace very efficient and inexpensive coal plants is money NOT spent on pour aging and inferior electric grid.

BTW WHY IS Mike Mann Still employed after his proved fraud.

8 posted on 08/18/2012 5:30:28 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: usconservative

The sameone that thought that climate science could be explained with a “hokey stick”.


9 posted on 08/18/2012 5:30:28 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: Bernard Marx

No!
“trueconomically”

I like it!


10 posted on 08/18/2012 5:31:49 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: newzjunkey
"There's a very clear lesson here. What it shows is that if you make a cleaner energy source cheaper, you will displace dirtier sources," said Roger Pielke Jr., a climate expert at the University of Colorado ...

Yes, but before Roger goes too far, we need to clarify. This does not mean that hiking the prices on "dirty" fuels is equally good as dropping the prices on clean fuel. Artificially raising prices only causes us to be less competative in the global marketplace. Dropping prices on any fuel is good for us globally.

11 posted on 08/18/2012 5:32:30 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: newzjunkey

Gee, could it be that economic activity is at a 20 yr. low too? Related? Nah/s


12 posted on 08/18/2012 5:32:44 PM PDT by VTenigma
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To: Puckster
I never hurts to review.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present the "hockey stick explained":

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13 posted on 08/18/2012 5:36:34 PM PDT by doc11355
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To: doc11355

The happy thing history will record is that Mann is a AGW tool and not his “hockey stick”.


14 posted on 08/18/2012 5:42:24 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: doc11355

The evil BushCheneyRove and the eeevvviiiilll Koch Brothers musta had a lot of evil SUV’s running around at the time of the Norman Invasion.


15 posted on 08/18/2012 5:43:45 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is the operational wing of CPUSA.)
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To: newzjunkey

Obama killed the economy...so no one is producing anything and there’s no energy being consumed. That’s why CO2 emissions went down so fast.


16 posted on 08/18/2012 6:14:54 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Vince Ferrer
“Yes, but before Roger goes too far, we need to clarify. This does not mean that hiking the prices on “dirty” fuels is equally good as dropping the prices on clean fuel. Artificially raising prices only causes us to be less competative in the global marketplace. Dropping prices on any fuel is good for us globally.”

THANK YOU! You saved me from having to make the same point. Artificially hiking prices on any product introduces market distortions often leading to bad unintended consequences.

17 posted on 08/18/2012 6:20:47 PM PDT by LaserJock
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To: LaserJock

Bush’s fault!

Might as well blame him for this also.


18 posted on 08/18/2012 6:34:04 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: newzjunkey
... it happened as a result of market forces rather than direct government action against carbon dioxide

What? The free market solved the non-problem? NO WAY!

19 posted on 08/18/2012 6:46:23 PM PDT by UAConservative (Audemus Jura Nostra Defendere)
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To: newzjunkey

Scientists think they can get real co2 measurements over a span of years AND KNOW HOW TO RELATE THEM???...They’re full of cr**.


20 posted on 08/18/2012 7:11:36 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Puckster

Virginia Tech never employed Mann but University of Virginia did. So, no, he wasn’t a Hokey stick ~


21 posted on 08/18/2012 7:21:32 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: mamelukesabre

Post #16 before the truth be told. Congratulations!


22 posted on 08/18/2012 7:32:00 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: newzjunkey
Well when the regime does everything it can to destroy prosperity, when the President is the 1st modern President to leave the country poorer after 4 years in office, no surprise emissions are down.
23 posted on 08/18/2012 7:32:21 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: mamelukesabre
Obama killed the economy...so no one is producing anything and there’s no energy being consumed. That’s why CO2 emissions went down so fast.

CO2 might be down, but CO is WAY, WAY UP.

If Obama would just STFU.

24 posted on 08/18/2012 7:51:56 PM PDT by mountn man (Happiness is not a destination, its a way of life.)
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To: newzjunkey

HEY! KEVIN BEGOS!

You wrote “ - - - and CO2 levels globally are rising, not falling.”

This is curious because NOWHERE in your article do you mention what the MEASURED CO2 Levels are for the US.

Fancy headline that CO2 emissions drop, but nothing on measured CO2 Levels.

For example, did US measured CO2 level go up due to the drought killing off the corn, and thus leaving more CO2 in the air instead of in cornstalks?

NEXT time you write an article, give us some facts, MEASURED facts.


25 posted on 08/18/2012 7:57:07 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: muawiyah

That was so hokey/sarc


26 posted on 08/18/2012 8:14:25 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: Nailbiter; BartMan1

ping


27 posted on 08/18/2012 8:26:33 PM PDT by IncPen (Educating Barack Obama has been the most expensive project in human history)
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To: mamelukesabre
Additionally, the nation has shuddered 9 Gigawatts of coal power production in 2012 and an additional 12 Gigawatts by 2015. This is nor a good thing folks. There will be severe consequences if we have any kind of recovery. All of this lost power production is not being replaced and what is being replaced is being replaced by Natural Gas burning plants, gas is cheap now but it will not be true for long.
28 posted on 08/18/2012 8:47:39 PM PDT by WHBates
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To: mamelukesabre

Carbon is life. That’s why Leftists hate it so.


29 posted on 08/18/2012 8:47:55 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: LaserJock; Vince Ferrer

Liberalism is all about the seen, not the unseen. For Progressives, logic barely dents the frontal eminence. The consequences of communism are for the little people.


30 posted on 08/18/2012 8:51:03 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: newzjunkey

Shutting down thousands of businesses an un-employing 20% of the work force might have a little to do with that, huh?


31 posted on 08/18/2012 8:51:47 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Maybe algore can sue for a recount?


32 posted on 08/18/2012 9:31:35 PM PDT by bray (The Gummit didn't make my business, God did!)
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33 posted on 08/19/2012 8:14:00 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obama should change his campaign slogan to "Yes, we am!" Sounds as stupid as his administration is.)
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