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Allen West also comes out against Akin
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Posted on 08/20/2012 2:46:40 PM PDT by TheBigB

Last week my opponent put out a tv ad depicting me beating women. That ad is disgraceful and despicable. As a husband and father of two daughters, I found Congressman Todd Akin’s comments about rape to be in the same vein. These comments are simply unacceptable. There is no place in politics for these type of comments and attitudes toward women.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: akin; allenwest; rape
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To: SamAdams76
What Akin basically said was that any woman claiming her pregnancy was due to rape is lying because if it was a "legitimate" rape, her female body would have found ways to prevent the pregnancy from happening.

You are spewing absolute bovine excrement. He said NO such thing. You are totally interpreting his statement your own way. There is nothing in his words that implies what you're saying and any sensible person who isn't out to destroy him or his pro-life positions politically should know that.

There is an article out there from a doctor saying the trauma of a violent rape would make it harder for a woman's hormones to allow a pregnancy to happen. Dispute it if you want, but that is what he was talking about, not about people "lying" about being raped. That is total made-up nonsense with no plausible connection to anything Akin said at all.

41 posted on 08/20/2012 4:33:23 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: Melas

Declared bed wetters: Sen. Johnson, Allen West, Mark Levin, Ann Coulter, numerous freepers... not really bad company to be in.


42 posted on 08/20/2012 4:35:42 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 77 days away.)
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To: SamAdams76
http://www.physiciansforlife.org/content/view/492/26/

Assault Rape Pregnancies Are Rare

In cases of rape, the rate of pregnancy is actually very rare. This is due to several factors which may affect conception. The victim is in immense emotional shock and her body in turn is affected. Statistics show that the rate of miscarriage is higher in these circumstances. A major factor contributing to the rare occurrence of conception in cases of rape is psychological trauma. Stress has been known to alter bodily functions, the menstrual cycle included. And in order for a woman to conceive a complex blend of hormones must be formed. The production of these certain hormones is easily affected by emotions, in which of course the rape itself factors in greatly. Hence, the chances of actual conception—ovulation, fertilization, implantation—for the rape victim are considerably lowered.

43 posted on 08/20/2012 4:36:23 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: smoothsailing

Inarticulate? No, he just let us know that he has fuzz for brains. I wouldn’t want him for a senator.

Men do have a tendency to stick up for other men and blame the victim. I would never vote for such a man. There is no excuse, men, for taking advantage of any woman, drunk or not. No excuse!

And those men here who have articulated on women’s anatomy during or after rape are just as silly. They are showing their ignorance


44 posted on 08/20/2012 4:36:34 PM PDT by Latecomer
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To: miss marmelstein

I thought all along it made sense to run a conservative woman against Claire McCaskill. I was hoping it would be Sarah Steelman. But it wasn’t my call, I vote in PA.


45 posted on 08/20/2012 4:36:42 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: SamAdams76
This is the correct link for that quote.

http://www.troubledteensinfo.com/Teenage_Sexuality/Teen_Pregnancy/Psychological_Effects_of_Teen_Rape_and_Abortion/

46 posted on 08/20/2012 4:38:09 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: kabar
I really can't understand the GOP, which eats its own. A mere statement, which Akin apologized for is sufficient to draw a mob that denounces him with some calling for his to withdraw from the race.

Part of it is RINOs who will take any opportunity to throw Christian conservatives under the bus. This was why Christine O'Donnell was treated like she was from the very second she won the primary.

Another part is many more people than one would expect having difficulty actually hearing, understanding and interpreting language correctly. It's one reason Obama won the election. People saw meanings in his words that weren't really there. I'm still trying to figure out why everyone thought Romney introduced Paul Ryan as the next "president" when he clearly said "vice president" the first time, making that not a gaffe at all.

47 posted on 08/20/2012 4:42:13 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: Melas
This was no gaffe. Putting an e on potato is a gaffe. A comment from which the logical conclusion is that if a woman is a pregnant, then it wasn’t legitimate rape, is political suicide.
He misspoke, and he apologized. Do you believe women should have the choice to abort their child if they've been raped? (ANY type of rape.)
48 posted on 08/20/2012 4:43:25 PM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: SamAdams76
What Akin basically said was that any woman claiming her pregnancy was due to rape is lying because if it was a "legitimate" rape, her female body would have found ways to prevent the pregnancy from happening. I don't know, maybe Akin thinks the female body produces some sort of "sperm-killing" bacteria or something.

Do you really think that is what he believes? Did you hear his apology?

"What I said was ill-conceived, and it was wrong," Akin said on former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee's radio show Monday. "I really just want to apologize to those that I've hurt."

"The controversy started after Akin, a six-term Missouri conservative now running against Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill, was asked in a local interview on Sunday whether he would support abortions for women who have been raped.

"It seems to me first of all, from what I understand from doctors, that's really rare," Akin said in the interview. "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down," Akin said of a rape victim's chances of becoming pregnant.

Some liberals tried to tie other Republicans to Akin's comments, noting that Romney's running mate, Rep. Paul Ryan, co-sponsored an abortion-related bill with Akin that would have limited federal funding for abortions to victims of forcible rape," rather than just rape. The FBI's definition of rape is known as "forcible rape," and it is used to distinguish between statutory rape and other kinds of rape.

Huckabee asked Akin whether he was talking about "forcible rape" when he used the term "legitimate rape."

"I was talking about forcible rape, and it was absolutely the wrong word," Akin said.

Akin said he understands that women can become pregnant from rape. "I didn't mean to imply that wasn't the case," he said. "That does happen."

No matter how you slice it, this is kooky stuff and not something conservatives need to be defending for the next 11 weeks when they should be focused on building on their 2010 victories and taking this nation back. Akins can spout his nonsense on Art Bell while we put a responsible adult in charge of winning the Missouri senate seat.

Do you really believe that the Dems will not go after any Rep who believes that abortion is wrong even in the case of rape and incest? Paul Ryan will be the next target as indicated above. Akin should have said "forcible" rape, not legitimate rape. Regardless, he made a verbal gaffe,

What I don't understand is why West would drag Akin into charges against him. Akin is a fellow Rep colleague in the House. Why diss him? Is it necessary to kick him when he is down? Just say nothing.

49 posted on 08/20/2012 4:44:10 PM PDT by kabar
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To: JediJones
Well here are Akins words verbatim concerning rape victims who become pregnant:

“It seems to me first of all, from what I understand from doctors, that's really rare. If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try shut that whole thing down.”

Now if you want to defend that, be my guest. But you will have about as much success as Obama did when he tried to walk back his "You didn't build that" comment.

Like I said, this is wacky Art Bell stuff and we don't need this distraction in what is the most important election season of our lives. Even if Akin merely chose his words poorly, it reinforces my contention that he should drop out and let somebody run in his place who can choose his or words more carefully. If we are going to take back the senate, we need some ready for prime time players here.

50 posted on 08/20/2012 4:45:02 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Latecomer
There is no excuse, men, for taking advantage of any woman, drunk or not. No excuse!

Neither Akin nor anyone defending him here said there was. He simply used one word in a confusing way, the kind of vague word that anyone can easily make a misstatement with. The idea that he was making excuses for men who rape women is so utterly and totally ludicrous that it is beyond laughable. I would have been surprised if a radical Code Pink feminist came out with such an accusation, let alone someone on a conservative site. That kind of goofy accusation just makes me want to defend Akin more. This is an absolute hysterical, irrational witchhunt going on that he doesn't deserve in the slightest.

51 posted on 08/20/2012 4:46:15 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: kabar; SamAdams76

Thanks, kabar, you nailed it. That is precisely how I explained Akin’s comments to the naysayers here long before he came out with his clarification. It should be obvious to anyone what he meant given the context of his remarks. Obama’s “you didn’t build that” was not a gaffe, it was the entire context of his speech and of course of his anti-business policies. Dan Quayle misspelling “potato” is actually worse than this because it implies low education or actual stupidity. Absolutely every politician will use the wrong words at some point, and every human being can relate to that. Just like Obama with 57 states. No one believed Obama really thought there were 57 states. They knew it was a verbal slip-up. But they believed Dan Quayle really didn’t know how to spell “potato” and that was truly damaging.


52 posted on 08/20/2012 4:50:57 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: Latecomer
Inarticulate? No, he just let us know that he has fuzz for brains. I wouldn’t want him for a senator.

You need not worry, Todd Akin will not be a senator. His career in elected office is over.

53 posted on 08/20/2012 4:53:23 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: mlizzy
Do you believe women should have the choice to abort their child if they've been raped? (ANY type of rape.)

Yes. I support the exceptions of rape, incest and life of the mother. For the record that's known as the Reagan plank and has been since the GOP convention of 1980.

54 posted on 08/20/2012 4:54:34 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: kabar
Listen, this Akin might be a nice guy and all. Maybe he didn't mean to convey that rape victims who get pregnant were not "legitimately" raped because otherwise their bodies would have shut the pregnancy down. But that is what his poorly chosen words imply and if he can make a verbal gaffe that serious, then he is likely to make more between now and November.

We aren't playing a game of friendly table-tennis here. This election is for all the marbles. We lose and our country is likely finished. We must have the senate as well as the presidency in order to overturn Obamacare and get some decent Supreme Court justices appointed. Akin's gaffe may be a blessing in disguise because it occurred when we still had 48 hours to find another candidate. Otherwise we'd be stuck with him.

So I don't really care if Akin is a nice guy or not. If we don't replace him by tomorrow afternoon, he's going to be a liability that may cause us to fall short of our goals this November.

55 posted on 08/20/2012 4:56:29 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: varmintman

Come on. The issue is far deeper than that. It’s clear that he thinks a woman can just “will” herself not to get pregnant, and therefore rape must not be “that” bad. The whole mindset behind this guy is just stupifying. Don’t know how he got the election, but this is up there with “witchcraft” O’Donnell.


56 posted on 08/20/2012 5:04:12 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: SamAdams76

In baseball terms, this guy Akin just walked five in a row and its time to go to the bullpen before the game gets out of hand.


57 posted on 08/20/2012 5:06:16 PM PDT by gusty
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To: Melas
Yes. I support the exceptions of rape, incest and life of the mother. For the record that's known as the Reagan plank and has been since the GOP convention of 1980.
Reagan's a good guy, but that plank should plunk. If he's in heaven (and I hope he is) he would no longer stand by that stance, because he would be sharing space with millions upon millions of aborted unborn, many conceived by rape. I'm starting to see that most of those upset with Akin share your viewpoint, when the pro-lifers across the full board (for unborn life) see things differently, and thus, understand Akin's words better.
58 posted on 08/20/2012 5:12:38 PM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: JediJones

What do you mean? Romney DIDN’T introduce Ryan as “president”?


59 posted on 08/20/2012 5:31:01 PM PDT by DrewsMum
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To: DrewsMum
What do you mean? Romney DIDN’T introduce Ryan as “president”?

Yes. I found the clip on my DVR on Fox and watched it about 20 times this weekend. He said "the next vice president of the United States." The microphone audio dropped a little on the "v" so you couldn't quite hear the "v" but "ice" was clearly audible. He could have been saying the next "nice" president or "Rice" president, but, Condi wasn't there and...context.

60 posted on 08/20/2012 5:52:02 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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