Posted on 08/26/2012 11:50:34 AM PDT by lbryce
Go see “The Hop The Change” if you can. Hannity spent an entire hour on his Fox News show this past Friday. Let’s just say the thrill is gone for many of these that got caught up in the hype of 2008.
You mean, the photoshopped BC?
If that ‘document’ answers your questions regarding his eligibility, then so be it.
Welcome to FR.
I do realize that some children manage to go through the public school system with the ability to think cognitively and have good character, but they are the exception. Generally speaking, public schools are leftist indoctrination centers. I saw how grade school text books became pure unadulterated propaganda when I started reading them during my years of home schooling my own and other peoples’ kids. I quit using any text books and just used library books. I didn't have money for any good home school curricula. And Gabz - I realize that you are at loggerheads with those who criticize public schools, but surely you must agree that most public schools are not very good. Maybe the schools in your area are much better than average. But generally speaking, they are not good and kids going through them are terribly short changed and badly influenced. I know a mother who raised 8 children and much of the time had to send them to public school, against her own desires, due to personal and family difficulties. Almost all her children have turned out very well. So it can be done. But it takes extra effort by the parents as well as the luck of having a school which is not a bad as most.
Yuri Besmenov called it “demoralization”.
Our nation is now soooooo demoralized that more than 50% of the nation's voters could not see that having a natural born citizen was a constitutional requirement and **important** for the security of our nation ( especially our soldiers at war.)
Ask the average person on the street what Article 2, Section 1, is and you will get the “Deer in the Headlights” look.
You’re a fool or a leftist. And I don’t care which.
Because it was taken for granted or known to be a fact that the candidates were actually who they said they were and were eligble.
Obvious.
To me that indicates quite clearly that we aren’t really serious about the issue.
First of all, who is this “we”? Second of all, people are interested, but those whose job it is to see that laws are upheld are disgusting cowards.
exactly who took what for granted?
try that next time your boarding an airplane
YOU must supply more documentation to board an airplane... and that’s not Constitutionally required
What I meant was that previous presidents or candidates as well were not under suspicion of being non-NBC except Chester Arthur, and he hid facts about his background and lied. But no one doubted that the others were not NBCs.
This situation is entirely different. So different that I hope a book is being written and will soon be published, describing exactly who he really is and what crimes were committed and by who, to hide it all.
I am not saying that it’s okay to take it for granted that candidates are what they say they are. They should provide every bit of documentation AND go through a fine tooth comb background and security check.
No requirement was needed when the Constitution was written. If there are any doubts that would raise a question regarding NBC, then the person isn’t one.
There are Federal statutes governing the US citizenship status of everyone born without natural born citizenship.
There are NO laws governing the US citizenship acquired naturally by birth when both parents who are citizens. That person acquires his/her citizenship naturally from the parents (no matter where the birth takes place).
We are now living in a time where money buys Congress, judges, the presidency and every office on down. Money has bought the free press which could have kept the people informed and the government free of corruption.
I believe in America and our Constitution, but I don’t know of any way, without help from God, we are going to overcome the situation we now find ourselves in this country.
America ? you didn’t birth THAT.
I have never said any different.
I live in the 6th poorest county in Virginia, in part, because the school system here is far superior to even the wealthiest school district in Delaware. The schools in southern Delaware are so bad I wouldn't even consider having put our daughter in the local Catholic school - and I spent 12 years in Catholic schools.
We = Americans as a people.
You and the other birthers need to get your story straight.
I note that you are strictly jus sanguinis, while a good many of your buddies are an odd combination of jus sanguinis and jus solis, holding that both conditions must be met to be NBC.
In my personal opinion, either condition works, as NBC merely means citizenship at birth, as opposed to naturalized citizenship acquired after birth.
Obama meets the jus solis requirement, and he arguably meets the jus sanguinis requirement, since one parent was most definitely a US citizen. Unless one wanders off into the bizarre la-la land of Obama not really being the child of Obama, Sr. and Stanley.
I note that some birthers have recently headed off down the self-defeating path that his “real” father was someone else, such as Frank Marshall Davis. In which case, of course, Obama would meet both jus solis and jus sanguinis. Except that the law doesn’t recognize the “real father” of the child of a married couple as anyone but the husband. Giant can of large worms.
Neither your opinion nor mine, is a FACT. They are both opinions. And they will remain so unless and until the Supreme Court rules on the matter, which would of course be precisely the role the Founders intended the Court to play.
NBC doesn’t just mean citizen at birth. There was no 14th amendment when this was written in the Constitution. Native Americans, negroes, foreigners and their offspring couldn’t even vote at that time.
The Supreme Court has already ruled several times and declared the NBC to be the natural offspring of both citizen parents.
Obama’s father was here on a student visa. If Obama was born outside the US, there was a statute in place in 1961 that would have applied where Stanley was not old enough to pass citizenship to him. He was born with the citizenship of his father. I don’t think a NBC can be a dual citizen. So, in my opinion, if he was born in Canada or Kenya, or some place other than the US, he is not a citizen and most surely not a NBC.
I find this issue to be very interesting and very important.
Obviously -- otherwise, there would have to be a third category of citizenship that is neither natural-born nor naturalized, and there isn't.
Yup.
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