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Mann versus Steyn: popcorn time!
Telegraph (UK) ^ | August 27th, 2012 | James Delingpole

Posted on 08/28/2012 2:28:28 PM PDT by neverdem

Today I'm launching a fund and I wonder whether anyone would like to contribute. Please, I implore you all, PLEASE chip in to help finance Professor Michael Mann's suit for defamation against sinister, right-wing Canadian climate-change denier Mark Steyn and the fascist-denialist organ for which Steyn writes, National Review Online!

I don't think Mann is going to win his case, not for one fraction of a millisecond. That's why I think it's so important that we give him all the financial encouragement we can at this sensitive early stage.

There's a danger that Mann may yet take advice from his lawyers, realise that there's about as much chance of his defending the integrity of his ludicrous, comedy "Hockey Stick" curve as there is of George Galloway winning the Random Stranger I'd Feel Most Safe Sharing A Bed With While Completely Fast Asleep award (as annually voted by the readers of Mumsnet) – and pull out.

This must not be allowed to happen.

From obscure beginnings and with little discernible talent, Michael Mann has risen to become arguably the best loved comedy figure in the entire field of climate science, like Fatty Arbuckle, Pee Wee Herman and Coco the Clown rolled into one.

He singlehandedly invented Mann-made global warming using his amazing Hockey Stick curve – the one programmed using the ingenious algorithm whereby, whatever information you fed into it – fudged paleoclimatological reconstructions, the latest football scores, tofu futures – it always came out in the same, scary-looking This Is The End Of The World And We've Got To Act Now By Pumping Gazillions More Money Into Climate Research shape.

He gave us the phrase "Hide The Decline" – and starred in the hilarious song and video written in homage by a fan club called Minnesotans For Global Warming.

He...

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: climatechange; delingpole; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; jamesdelingpole; marksteyn; memebuilding; michaelmann; nationalreview; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; randsimberg; satire

1 posted on 08/28/2012 2:28:31 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Please, I implore you all, PLEASE chip in to help finance Professor Michael Mann's suit for defamation against sinister, right-wing Canadian climate-change denier Mark Steyn and the fascist-denialist organ for which Steyn writes, National Review Online

He's advocating for money to help someone litigate a "defamation of character" suit while throwing EVERY slur and exaggeration he can to slimy up the target (fascist? REALLY? Commutards rejoice).

2 posted on 08/28/2012 2:32:11 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Only Obama put a dog on the roof of his mouth. Dogs are friends, not food.)
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To: neverdem

I’m seriously considering purchasing stock in popcorn. :D I’d love to see Mann put on the hot seat and forced to actually defend that excretion he calls a scientific fact.


3 posted on 08/28/2012 2:34:59 PM PDT by ElenaM
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To: a fool in paradise

It’s hard to separate satire and truth these days *nods*


4 posted on 08/28/2012 2:35:11 PM PDT by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Basically, he’s a British comic asking people to help convince his major source of comedic material and target of ridicule to not cut his career short, so that this comic will be able to pillory the guy further.


5 posted on 08/28/2012 2:35:40 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Trying reading past the first sentence of the article before posting.


6 posted on 08/28/2012 2:36:01 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: neverdem

Will two cents help?

: )

Good laugh!


7 posted on 08/28/2012 2:38:36 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: neverdem
When someone sues you the purpose is not truth but rather intimidation. It is to create fear. It is to instill fear of losing everything and fear of the complexities downright stupidity of the legal system.

Defending oneself against even a totally meritless lawsuit is an enormous burden.

8 posted on 08/28/2012 2:52:04 PM PDT by detective
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To: detective
Defending oneself against even a totally meritless lawsuit is an enormous burden.

While that's all too true, I'd be willing to bet that Steyn would get a tremendous amount of satisfaction out of the discovery process. (Mann, meanwhile, would be crapping his pants.)

9 posted on 08/28/2012 3:02:17 PM PDT by Bob
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To: neverdem
Please, I implore you all, PLEASE chip in to help finance Professor Michael Mann's suit for defamation against sinister, right-wing Canadian climate-change denier Mark Steyn and the fascist-denialist organ for which Steyn writes, National Review Online!

You can measure how outclassed someone is, by counting the adjectives they use to describe their rivals.

10 posted on 08/28/2012 3:05:24 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: neverdem
James Delingpole is a brilliant right-wing writer (as is Mark Steyn). This "plea" for money is sarcasm!

Delingpole constantly mocks the globalist loons that promote man-made global warming (such as Michael Mann).

That's why, with tongue in cheek, he's asking that we "support" Michael Mann so Mann can get his ass whupped in a debate with Steyn.

Hope that clears up things.

11 posted on 08/28/2012 3:06:56 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: wideawake

Um, I read the entire piece. What’s your point?


12 posted on 08/28/2012 3:09:50 PM PDT by ElenaM
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To: Flycatcher

In the last 3 years Steyn pretty much singlehandedly destroyed the Canadian hate crimes prosecution system.

He shouldn’t have too much trouble with Mann.


13 posted on 08/28/2012 3:11:39 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: neverdem

From the comments on their site it would appear the jig is up.


14 posted on 08/28/2012 3:17:56 PM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: Bob

“I’d be willing to bet that Steyn would get a tremendous amount of satisfaction out of the discovery process. (Mann, meanwhile, would be crapping his pants.)”

You assume our legal system is honest and concerned with the pursuit of truth and justice. If that were the case Mann would have never filed his lawsuit.

Our legal system is corrupt. It is a tool for bad people to intimidate and extort money from good people.

But I would love to see glogal warming slimeballs like Mann put under oath and be forced to answer questions about their fraudulent studies.


15 posted on 08/28/2012 3:22:32 PM PDT by detective
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To: Sherman Logan
He shouldn’t have too much trouble with Mann.

Mann will never man-up. This is all bluster. Mann's work is corrupt and fraudulent, and as such, indefensible.

By the way, Mann still hasn't responded to freedom-of-information requests regarding his "work."

I would love to see him take on Steyn. Not going to happen.

16 posted on 08/28/2012 3:22:59 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Alex Murphy

He is, as we British like to say, taking the Mickey. His sympathies are pretty obviously with Steyn, and not Mann. I’m told Americans have a tougher time detecting the use of irony...


17 posted on 08/28/2012 3:36:28 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: neverdem

I have put Michael Mann before the Lord. Psalm 58 and 59.


18 posted on 08/28/2012 3:40:54 PM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: Alex Murphy

It doesn’t look like you read the entire article.


19 posted on 08/28/2012 3:44:22 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (There's no shame in attacking a criminal's bean bag. -- Ron Swanson)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

I recognized the author so it wasn’t difficult to realize he was being ironic...not knowing the author nor reading the whole piece is a handicap.


20 posted on 08/28/2012 3:44:22 PM PDT by bronxville (“We’ve Got A Revolution That Has To Take Place”” - Obama 2004)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

I’m a Yank, and I can instantly detect irony and sarcasm by reading the by-line “James Delingpole”.

BTW, Yanks are more sparing and lest practiced in these high arts, so when I read an American author I must often strain to tell whether or not he is serious. With Delingpole, not so much. (Mark Twain was the master of the form, and he pulled it off with such subtly at times that it dawns on one slowly like the glow that overcomes one when sipping slowly on a fine sherry.)


21 posted on 08/28/2012 3:46:15 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: neverdem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMqc7PCJ-nc&feature=related

Hide the Decline


22 posted on 08/28/2012 3:59:05 PM PDT by Little Bill
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To: neverdem

That is a very funny column. I wonder if we should all give to both sides, just $2 to the defense for every $1 for the plaintiff. Certainly there will be high entertainment value from this.


23 posted on 08/28/2012 4:09:15 PM PDT by JLS
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To: neverdem

24 posted on 08/28/2012 4:11:23 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: Bob
Steyn would get a tremendous amount of satisfaction out of the discovery process

Reason why this threatened lawsuit will not go forward. Mann has been hiding fraudulent data ever since his Virginia days.

25 posted on 08/28/2012 4:29:36 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: a fool in paradise

He’s a conservative author who has written a major book debunking. The Watermellon Greens, and he’s funny as hell. He write sall the time at the Ricochet.com website.


26 posted on 08/28/2012 4:30:51 PM PDT by Kozak (The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
Disappointing isn't it.
27 posted on 08/28/2012 4:31:51 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Ah. I remember reading an article by Simon Pegg (of ‘Hot Fuzz’ and ‘Shaun of the Dead’ fame) who wrote that generally speaking, Americans do ‘get’ irony when they expect it (such as watching a comedy), but not so much when they don’t. So, if you use an ironic statement in a non-sarcastic tone of voice whilst having a casual conversation with a friend in the US, it is more likely to be taken literally (as in when my mum when she was fed up with us told a friend in the US she felt like giving us 50c and telling us to go and play in the road, which apparently sparked a somewhat nervous response!)


28 posted on 08/28/2012 4:54:37 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: neverdem

Mann...from hockey stick to hockey puck...


29 posted on 08/28/2012 5:09:14 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: neverdem

OMG - is Delingpole that much of a stranger around here?

(hint: he is one of the good guys)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Delingpole


30 posted on 08/28/2012 5:15:34 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: neverdem

sorry - this was meant to be addressed to: ALL


31 posted on 08/28/2012 5:20:59 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: neverdem

I wish him success in convincing Mann to sue, but it’ll never happen.


32 posted on 08/28/2012 5:23:52 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: jonno

No. Delingpole is well known to those who follow the AGW stuff
He is one of us


33 posted on 08/28/2012 6:29:04 PM PDT by kidd
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To: Little Bill

Thanks for the link.


34 posted on 08/28/2012 7:27:14 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: dead
Mann is already involved with 2 lawsuits regarding his work and data. He has stalled them both. He just likes to be able to tweet he sued them or is suing them or they are suing me. That is all he wants. The vast majority of leftists academics are half wits that think they are geniuses. They actually think Marxism is intelligent.
35 posted on 08/28/2012 7:56:21 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: detective

Mann has a similar lawsuit against Prof Bell of Canada, and Mann is not producing documents. It sounds like it is going badly for Mann. He may have to withdraw and have to pay all legal costs.

It should get interesting.

His Tree-Ring Circus was goofy and I am surprised that his flimsy work is supposedly the pillar of the global warming claim. That is frightening! He cherry picked a few tree rings in Siberia and then manipulated the data to create the hockey stick. He also denies the Middle Age Warming Period, except that is has been proven yet again in a new study by Syracuse University. Mann is more a PR guy than anything else.


36 posted on 08/28/2012 10:25:14 PM PDT by Titus-Maximus (Light from Light)
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To: neverdem

Richard Lindzen (MIT)has taken a lot of heat for debunking this crap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsMV5-NRp2Y&feature=related


37 posted on 08/28/2012 11:18:52 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: Titus-Maximus

Mann is a liar and a fraud. He is behind the “hockey stick” global warming theory that has been shown to be fraudulent by both other researchers and the leaked emails from global warmers.

I would love to see him lose every penny he has and be disgraced.


38 posted on 08/28/2012 11:40:46 PM PDT by detective
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To: neverdem

Someone has a gay crush on Mann


39 posted on 08/28/2012 11:44:50 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are useless and useful idiots.)
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To: Fledermaus

I’m sure that’s true, but it’s not James Delingpole. He might have a crush on Mark Steyn, though, in a strictly intellectual way ...

I like Steyn’s cute beard, but his up-north voice puts me off.


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41 posted on 08/29/2012 9:22:24 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: ElenaM

The point is that the author is on Steyn’s side.


42 posted on 08/29/2012 11:53:14 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

Yeah, I got that as did every other reader. I guess I missed the mystery point wideawake was trying to make.


43 posted on 08/29/2012 2:20:40 PM PDT by ElenaM
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To: neverdem


44 posted on 08/29/2012 2:56:09 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: a fool in paradise

Sarcasm and satire are completely lost on you, aren’t they!

Would a little strong coffee help?


45 posted on 08/29/2012 8:08:38 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: detective

Read more.


46 posted on 08/29/2012 8:10:41 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Alex Murphy

Alex, please...


47 posted on 08/29/2012 8:12:15 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


48 posted on 08/29/2012 9:22:18 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

“...Americans have a tougher time detecting the use of irony...”

reading some reactions here, that proves to be unfortunately true. Embarrassing, actually.


49 posted on 08/30/2012 5:55:15 AM PDT by EDINVA
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