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FELIX ZULAUF: Stocks Will Collapse, Gold Will Surge, And The 30-Year Bond Bull Market Is Over
TBI ^ | 9-15-2012 | Rob Wile

Posted on 09/14/2012 3:07:33 PM PDT by blam

FELIX ZULAUF: Stocks Will Collapse, Gold Will Surge, And The 30-Year Bond Bull Market Is Over

Rob Wile
Sep. 14, 2012, 1:06 PM

Felix Zulauf, a Swiss hedge fund manager, is out with another bearish forecast for stocks, bonds and currencies.

Speaking to King World News, Zulauf says the 30-year bull cycle in Treasury bonds has ended, and that gold prices will soon surge again.

I think we first see, over the next couple of years, the transfer of government debt from private balance sheets to central bank balance sheets. I do believe the 30 year bull market in government bonds is over. I mentioned in the media (Barron’s) Roundtable that one should be selling half of what he owns, and should sell the other half in September at the latest.

I think the whole game is over. Bonds are very overvalued. The real return is negative.


... from now on buying the dips [in the price of gold] is the right strategy because I think we have actually entered the next cyclical bull market within the secular bull run that we are still in.

He also has a pretty ugly outlook for stocks:

“I think over the next two years or so we will probably see 1,000 in the S&P again (a decline of more than 30%).”

In the interview, Zulauf details the price of aggressive monetary accommodation by central banks:

The cost is that the fiat currency, paper currency standard, is in the final stage of the ‘super cycle.’ Fiat currency systems always collapse at the end. We are in that stage of the super cycle where things are accelerating.


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KEYWORDS: economy; finance; investing; recession

1 posted on 09/14/2012 3:07:44 PM PDT by blam
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2 posted on 09/14/2012 3:15:08 PM PDT by rsobin
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Bonds are dead. As little as 6 months ago, there were reports just about weekly about how well things went at the Treasury auctions. That news has seemed to be pushed aside by whatever news is happening re: QE3, QE4, QE99350, whatever.

My essay yesterday talked about interest rate swaps and explained why the Feds cannot raise interest rates without imploding the TBTF’s.

That leaves stocks. And that is exactly what is holding up the stock market now, there is practically no alternative that is showing any growth yield.

3 posted on 09/14/2012 3:22:19 PM PDT by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: rsobin

It will happen during the work week.

4 posted on 09/14/2012 3:24:10 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: djf

I just picked up a slew of state munis at 5%. You can find bonds that pay if you look.

5 posted on 09/14/2012 3:26:13 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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How safe are they...I heard not so much

6 posted on 09/14/2012 3:28:49 PM PDT by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: blam

Treasuries are dead? Really?

Sorry, but I’ve been hearing this for the last few years. It hasn’t been true yet. The Forces-That-Be will engineer UST interest rates lower. MUCH LOWER: to zero or negative. Anyone who believes otherwise is kidding themselves.

7 posted on 09/14/2012 3:31:26 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: blam

He’s one of the worst investment advisors among the Barrons roundtable group.

8 posted on 09/14/2012 3:35:45 PM PDT by gotribe (WTF?)
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To: blueyon

Very safe. I live in a high-tax blue state. They will just raise taxes if they need to pay off the bonds. These are state General Obligations, not town or city issues. The state is not going to default. at least this state is not going to. All the Moonbats will just raise taxes here.

9 posted on 09/14/2012 3:41:13 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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“Stocks Will Collapse, Gold Will Surge, And The 30-Year Bond Bull Market Is Over”.

I think something approaching the opposite, if not completely opposite, is true. Here’s why I think so.

1) Stocks. If you wanted the major stock market indicators to be rock steady, and you could *invisibly* insert or remove a billion dollars into or out of these indexes at any time, as often as you liked, could you defeat either a bull or a bear market?

Certainly. And the FED can do this, that is, manipulate the stock market *indexes*, invisibly. Why else has the stock market been flat, often with very low trading volume, while the rest of the economy is going into the toilet?

And even when Romney replaces these corrupt cretins, their replacements are going to have to keep doing this, at least for a while, to keep the stock markets from crashing.

2) Gold. Almost all the gold that is available for sale has been sold, and a very large part of that has been to sovereign funds and governments. But the trouble is that the price of gold can only increase when there is someone willing to *sell* as much as someone willing to buy.

Gold owned by sovereign funds and government is not bought to make a profit, but to be a hedge, and that fouls up the market system, because buying or selling has a political, not profit goal.

However, if the price of gold gets too high, they are very capable of sending the price spiraling down, by making the political decision to dump gold, even at a loss. (The last time this happened was when the US Treasury dumped silver to defeat the Hunt brothers attempt to corner the market.)

3) The bond market. The 30 year bond lost favor with the government after 2000, however, it was brought back mostly to give enormous pension funds someplace safe to put their money. And that really hasn’t changed much. The bull market in 30 year bonds is more a sympathetic reaction to the bull market in 10 year bonds, mostly due to a flight to safety.

This is because there has been a “great disgust” with stocks, see #1 above, because the market has been flat
lined for years. You would think that the stock market would actually go down if many billions of dollars had been taken from it and put into bonds. But nope.

10 posted on 09/14/2012 4:18:16 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: blam

Gold surge? I’ll take whatever silver lining out of that possibility I can.. and skip Vegas. back to Alaska.

11 posted on 09/14/2012 4:34:07 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: blam

As the various levels of government continue spending, bonds will be increasingly risky. As government continues to own more of its own treasuries, those will be more fake. The stock market will most likely stall and decline more steeply, after bond yields go up, bond prices plummet, and interest rates skyrocket. Maybe a couple of years. Maybe sooner. And all the while, east Asia and other regions consume more oil—new consumers, manufacturers and commercial transportation.

Currencies are only a means of trading products efficiently, and sometimes, not so wisely. The answer beneath all of the distracting speech about money, is that in the end, we have as much as we produce. Might even have less in the event of war after economic collapse.

12 posted on 09/14/2012 5:34:27 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96)
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