African-American Christians waver over vote

ap/yahoo ^ | 9/16/12 | Rachell Zoll

[SoFloFreeper]

Some black clergy see no good presidential choice between a Mormon candidate and one who supports gay marriage, so they are telling their flocks to stay home on Election Day. That's a worrisome message for the nation's first African-American president, who can't afford to lose any voters from his base in a tight race.

The pastors say their congregants are asking how a true Christian could back same-sex marriage, as President Barack Obama did in May. As for Republican Mitt Romney, the first Mormon nominee from a major party, congregants are questioning the theology of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and its former ban on men of African descent in the priesthood.

[Always A Marine]

Whatever. Blacks, christian or not, will vote Obama and just as much as 2008. Probably the only group who will support him as much as last time.

You missed the major point of the article. 2008 was the high-water mark of black voter participation, and will likely not be repeated. The author's contention is that many blacks and black Christians have become disenchanted with Obama's anti-Christian and other immoral policies (and I would add a perception among some blacks that Obama is actually a "punk" himself).

While very few blacks will go as far as to vote for Romney, a number will not vote at all this November. What the author predicts is a more typical election turnout among blacks, which - with the exception of 2008's Hope & Change euphoria - is usually low. For Obama, this possibility is catastrophic.

[SeminoleCounty]

This is really bad news for Obama, and good news for conservatives

Church going blacks are way more likely to vote than incarcerated blacks, hip hop/rap blacks, and gang-banger blacks.

Independent voters do not win elections....your base wins elections. Obama’s base stays home, and its back to Kenya for him

[Zhang Fei]

For both of these women, it is completely obvious that race trumps the Son of Man. I used to wonder how they could reconcile the vile, un-Christian, abortion loving, homosexual flaunting, covetousness, mocker of the Holy Bible that is Barack Hussein Obama.

Nothing to with race. If you flipped the GOP and Democratic platforms, you'd see blacks voting 9 to 1 for Romney. We've seen this in other races where the black GOP candidate was crushed by a white Democrat. Pocketbook issues are the key, and the only way for the GOP to attract more black votes is to give up economic conservatism, which would mean endorsing the welfare state and racial preferences for blacks.

[MHGinTN]

Academic, at best. Blacks vote for the democrat in overwhelming numbers. The number of black votes Romney could lose because of the LDSinc History is probably insignificant. But trying to gin up a kerfuffle over the issue is worth a few democrat tries don’tchaknow. Why help them?

[MHGinTN]

Academic, at best. Blacks vote for the democrat in overwhelming numbers. The number of black votes Romney could lose because of the LDSinc History is probably insignificant. But trying to gin up a kerfuffle over the issue is worth a few democrat tries don’tchaknow. Why help them?

[SoFloFreeper]

http://www.blacklds.org/

Looks to me like the LDS and blacks have had a reconciliation.

Mia Love?

The fact is, a lot of religious movements have had shameful, racist pasts...and rightfully have worked to correct those anti-Christian parts of their culture.

I believe mormons are wrong on their theology, but regarding the race question, it seems they have corrected a historic wrong.

[Persevero]

I disagree, I think a relevant minority of them will actually not vote for Obama.

Don’t dismiss the whole group. There are good thinking men and women in there. Many on this board were liberals once. People change. The catalysts vary.

Dennis Miller changed after 9/11. I changed after my conversion to Christianity. Others change when their successful business get assaulted, their kids get bussed, or they are on the receiving end of reverse discrimination.

Allow for the fact that people can and do change.

[Persevero]

“I can think of only one person: Meghan McCain. :) “

How about Peggy Noonan? Christopher Buckley?

[Persevero]

” I cannot blame Blacks in the slightest for rejecting his candidacy. “

You can’t accept that idea that they have officially and believably left the racist doctrines?

I am no Mormon, but I do believe the change in that area is real.

If we can’t believe an official and public and consistent change, why do we advocate for change? We won’t believe it, anyway.

[tumblindice]

"Not Sure, if Martin L. King, Jr. came back to life, do you think he'd walk around in black communities wondering, `How did black folks get to be such dumb s***s?'."

[NKP_Vet]

Blacks are the only voting group that vote racist. When a black man with ZERO experience to be president gets 95% of the black vote you know qualifications had nothing to do with it. It was all about his skin color and party affiliation. He has to be a democrat. If the race had been between Alan West on the GOP ticket and a white liberal democrat, West would have gotten maybe 30% of the black vote and the liberal white democrat would have gotten 70%. But, never forget that blacks abandoned the better candidate in the primary by the name of Hillary Clinton, to vote for one of their own, QUALIFICATIONS BE DAMNED. Obummer will still get 95% of the black vote again. I don’t care how many black “preachers” come out and say his support of queer marriage was wrong, when they go in the voting booth they will vote for Obummer again. The only blacks that will not vote for him are republicans. By the way Obummer plays blacks for an idiot because he was basically raised by white folks and probably didn’t speak 10 words to a black man till he started college and got in under affirmative action quotas..........so he turned himself into a black man and threw his white side under the bus.

[JCBreckenridge]

“Romney opposes both.”

Oh? Really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn0GYg1PjUY

[Zakeet]

Looks to me like the LDS and blacks have had a reconciliation.

You can’t accept that idea that they have officially and believably left the racist doctrines? ... I am no Mormon, but I do believe the change in that area is real.

Based on what?

Evidence unequivocally shows that the supposed change is nothing more than another LDS deception aimed at deflecting criticism from the cult.

Is there evidence that proves the Mormon Church has given up their racist practices other than their latest rewriting of the Book of Mormon ... changing the terms white and delightsome to pure and delightsome, and black and loathsome to dark and loathsome? Has the Mormon Church actually repudiated any of their scriptures? Have they recalled any of their racist publications? Have they condemned any of the bigoted teachings of their prophets?

In stark contrast, consider wonderful example set by the Southern Baptist Convention.

The SBC was formed in 1845 when numerous southern churches broke away from their northern counterparts over the question of slavery. 150 years later, the SBC belatedly came to terms with its racist past by enacting a resolution which:

1. Unwaveringly denounced racism, in all its forms, as a deplorable sin

2. Lamented and repudiated historic acts of evil such as slavery from which we continue to reap a bitter harvest

3. Offered an apology to all African-Americans for condoning and/or perpetuating individual and systemic racism

4. Sought repentance for racism of which we have been guilty, whether consciously or unconsciously

5. Asked for forgiveness from our African-American brothers and sisters

6. Pledged to eradicate racism in all its forms from Southern Baptist life and ministry

Imagine the awesome testimony the LDS Church would have if it would adopt and then actively follow a similar position!

[upchuck]

Y'all might find this interesting:

Prominent Members of Chicago Black Community: Those closest to Obama know there's no 2nd term

[loveliberty2]

Thank you!!

The good news we celebrate as Christians is that "change" is possible and necessary.

Why, then, do we treat with such disdain those who may have moved from one set of ideas on some of the most important questions we face, to another set of ideas?

All of us should work to rediscover and publicize the essential ideas of liberty upon which our D of I and Constituiton were framed, convincing others as we go. As people become enlightened about their Creator-endowed rights, they will, of necessity, change their ideas about the role and scope of government.

[Cyber Liberty]

F*** ‘em. They will vote as expected in November, 99%. Debates to the contrary are just wind in sails. Black is black. They can’t help it.

[Tennessee Nana]

Obama supports gay marriage and taxpayer funded abortion on demand up to birth.

Romney opposes both.
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Now Johnnie you know that not true...

Willard is the father of same sex marriage...

and in 2005 as MASS gov he signed the marriage licenses for 189 gay couples...

and as for abortion Willard has been abortion king for 40 years...

abortion-on-demand and against the wishes of the parenrs of the underaged pregnant girls...

[Sola Veritas]

“Some black clergy see no good presidential choice between a Mormon candidate and one who supports gay marriage”

Glad to see that my Black brothers in Christ see things as I do. I don’t see any REAL choice between a Mormon in Romney and a liberal homophile (and worse) in Obama. Both are unsavory choices.

Because a potential four more years of Obama is so horrific, I have been tempted to forego my basic beliefs and vote for the Mormon. However, good sense to put a solid known (my beliefs) first, ahead of a fearful sellout of them is keeping my from supporting Romney. I will not vote for him. However, since Jim Rob stopped taking the hard line against Romney, I have not been saying that very frequently here on FR. It just isn’t appreaciated here...and I understand how the forum is lead by their fears. It is just that I fear a Mormon POTUS (especially one that is a closet liberal) as much as the current POTUS. It is a no win scenario in my thinking. I’m voting for conservatives down ticket, but not touching voting in the POTUS race....ballot will be left blank. I may vote for a third party candidate. However, I cannot find one that isn’t also badly flawed in some way.

[Sola Veritas]

“For both of these women, it is completely obvious that race trumps the Son of Man.”

I have witnessed this also in otherwise “Godly” Christian black ladies. It troubles me. However, it equally troubles me that Conservative Evangelical men would vote for a Cultist like Romney (and a real liberal as well). They know that not only is he not Christian, but a false representation of it.

[HANG THE EXPENSE]

The difference is the black conservative candidates are in the congress while the one is president.They will vote for him just like last time but maybe only once in the states that passed voter id.