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Will An Obama Victory Spark A Civil War In The US?
The Western Center for Journalism ^ | September 29, 2012 | Lawrence Sellin, Ph.D.

Posted on 09/30/2012 11:35:07 AM PDT by Brandonmark

America is on the verge of fragmentation and civil conflict because its citizens have lost control of their government and lost faith in its political institutions.

Nineteenth century political satirist Ambrose Bierce once described Washington D.C. as a strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles and the conduct of public affairs for private advantage.

Indeed. Not much has changed one hundred years on.

The August 27, 2012 Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just eight percent (8%) of likely voters think that the US Congress is doing a good job.

Most Americans agree that the Democrat and Republican establishments are infested by individuals whose allegiance is not to their country, but to themselves and their political party. Their aim is to be unconstrained by the Constitution and the rule of law and unaccountable to the American people. Their conduct is driven by political expediency and winning elections for the sole purpose of obtaining power and profit.

The US has elections, but it no longer has representative government. The US has a free press, but one that is partisan and dishonest.

(Excerpt) Read more at westernjournalism.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bhofascism; civilwar; cw2; cwii; election; election2012; elections; guncontrol; nobama2012; obama; socialistdemocrats
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1 posted on 09/30/2012 11:35:13 AM PDT by Brandonmark
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To: Brandonmark

No, people will go right back to watching Honey Boo Boo, American Idle and ordering pizza.


2 posted on 09/30/2012 11:35:59 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Brandonmark; mnehring

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


3 posted on 09/30/2012 11:38:11 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Brandonmark

Someone seems to think so - news reports are rampant to the effect that every American governmental agency in existence has been stocking up on ammunition to the extent of literally millions of rounds.


4 posted on 09/30/2012 11:38:46 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Brandonmark

Beats living under the rule of a Kenyan Marxist pig.


5 posted on 09/30/2012 11:39:38 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Brandonmark

No.


6 posted on 09/30/2012 11:39:49 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Brandonmark

NO...
But an Obama LOSS just might.

Remember, a lot of these Obama whackjobs are barely on the verge of sanity to begin with.


7 posted on 09/30/2012 11:41:07 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: mnehring

yeah, that is exactly right


8 posted on 09/30/2012 11:43:03 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Brandonmark

IMO we’re screwed either way.

Zero loses, we have massive race riots.

Zero wins, we have a civil war.


9 posted on 09/30/2012 11:44:02 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper ( For those who have had to fight for it, freedom has a flavor the protected shall never know.)
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To: Brandonmark

I suspect a violent reaction to the election outcome is more likely with an Obama loss.

Here’s hoping he loses and the violence can be contained and put down.


10 posted on 09/30/2012 11:44:05 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Brandonmark

I didn’t do all this prepping for nothin’.


11 posted on 09/30/2012 11:44:20 AM PDT by Boiling point (Socialism; Ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: Brandonmark

The Question should be

Have the people of the USA become so fragmented that
all hope of E. Pluribus Unum has been lost?

Respective of outcome of any election?


12 posted on 09/30/2012 11:45:18 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: Brandonmark

Yes, buy gold and go Galt. The most dangerous thing to the regime is no one paying taxes.


13 posted on 09/30/2012 11:45:56 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (6 November, 2012, the day our embarrassment is sent back to Kenya.)
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To: Travis McGee

CW2 ping


14 posted on 09/30/2012 11:46:26 AM PDT by Chipper (You can't kill an Obamazombie by destroying the brain...they didn't have one to begin with.)
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To: Brandonmark
Whats happens if you give a CW and no one comes....

There simply not enough folks who care or are willing for the disruption a war will cause. Hell if folks cant believe we are at war after 9-11 and loosing 3000 Americans on live TV I cant believe they will get excited by who wins a election..

15 posted on 09/30/2012 11:47:06 AM PDT by montanajoe (Blame Flame Shame or Beg I won't vote for R/R)
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To: Brandonmark
Will An Obama Victory Spark A Civil War In The US?

Wouldn't be surprised to see some "disturbances" in the mountains of Appalachia or the deep Southwest, but they wouldn't accomplish much except to give the "yellowstream" media brief orgasms.

16 posted on 09/30/2012 11:47:06 AM PDT by GoldenPup (Comrade "O" has got to GO!!)
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To: Brandonmark

If Obama wins, I think there will be a collective yawn. If Romney wins, there may be riots in the big urban areas.


17 posted on 09/30/2012 11:47:43 AM PDT by Bridesheadfan
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To: Brandonmark
Will An Obama Victory Spark A Civil War In The US?


18 posted on 09/30/2012 11:47:43 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: smoothsailing

Time to cull the herd.


19 posted on 09/30/2012 11:48:13 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Brandonmark

I don’t think there is a need for any armed conflict.

The truth is that if every conservative went Galt or on strike for just one week by not engaging in any commerce, as well as pull their children out of school, or just delay paying their taxes, it would do more to undermine liberalism than any other act, because the fact is that liberal need people to consume and pay taxes to function.

And this is what Ghandi did to protest the British Empire.

Can you image the heart attacks the liberal elite would have if conservatives to go Ghandi Galt on them?


20 posted on 09/30/2012 11:49:19 AM PDT by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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To: Brandonmark

It’s quite simple. I ain’t payin’. If they wants a fight about it...why that’s up to them!!!!!


21 posted on 09/30/2012 11:50:04 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Brandonmark

Why? All this ‘end of the nation’ crap is just RINO BS. If Obama wins, Conservatives will try to wrest back the Republican party from the neocon RINOs. If the country gets as bad as the dramatists state, it should be easy to win in 2016 except, of course, if they nominate another in the long line of neocon RINOs who will lose and again holler ‘end of the nation, I’m your only choice’.


22 posted on 09/30/2012 11:50:38 AM PDT by ex-snook (without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
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To: Brandonmark

That is why Obama must be defeated by more than 3-4 points because those who support this train wreck will take to the streets in riots screaming that the election was stolen due to racism and theft, the MSM will feed the beast for weeks and months on end and it will not end in a very good way.


23 posted on 09/30/2012 11:50:59 AM PDT by Trueblackman (I would rather lose on Conservative principles than vote for a RINO candidate.)
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To: tcrlaf

NO...
But an Obama LOSS just might.

Hmmmm ....makes one wonder about those 12 million give away phones...and just what might be texted on election night!


24 posted on 09/30/2012 11:51:52 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: smoothsailing

“I suspect a violent reaction to the election outcome is more likely with an Obama loss.”

The media is already setting the stage for it with these BS polls that show zero in the lead.

The narrative will be: “How could he have lost the election if he was ahead in the polls?”

The desired response of the obama worshipping pavlov dogs after weeks of manipulation: “Whitey stole the election! Kill whitey! Kill the crackers!”

Yeah we’re screwed.


25 posted on 09/30/2012 11:52:14 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper ( For those who have had to fight for it, freedom has a flavor the protected shall never know.)
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To: Brandonmark
"Will an OBAMA victory cause another Civil War?"

We can only hope that people were ready to defend The Constitution......decades of indoctrination and "feel good" Hollywood/TV-hype has created generations of parasites who are ENTITLED, but have no guts to preserve their independence.

The frog has been completely boiled now, if the Usurper is re-elected (even via Fraud and vote-counting irregularities)

26 posted on 09/30/2012 11:53:14 AM PDT by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Brandonmark

If BHO wins the election which I don’t think he has a ghost of a chance of doing then we will probably see a civil war but not civilians in the streets. The states will start to go their own way and nullify the Feds. Its a lot smarter way to go.


27 posted on 09/30/2012 11:54:31 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Brandonmark

Absolutely correct article.


28 posted on 09/30/2012 11:56:09 AM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: Brandonmark

I wrote “Surviving Civil War II” which goes into the structure of the civil war we have already entered. It won’t look like CWI because territory is now the media and Internet. But it is still over slavery, the indentured slavery of our children to the welfare state. Obama can’t count on the military, so he fights with proxy armies of illegals, union goons, OWS anarchists, EPA police and IRS enforcers.
http://www.futurnamics.com/civilwar.php


29 posted on 09/30/2012 11:57:31 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: smoothsailing

“Here’s hoping he loses and the violence can be contained and put down.”

Thus the need for a lot of hollow-tipped bullets.


30 posted on 09/30/2012 11:59:24 AM PDT by madmominct
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To: Brandonmark
No the conservative class are just that, so they will not start anything..on the other hand if obama loses we will have the biggest hell there has ever been in this country..

I look for Romney to win even with all the cheating the democrats do..We the people will have to keep our guns close and use them if we need to..

If Obama does win I really hope there will be States succeed from the Union..let the free loaders stay with their hero Obama they will starve..If you don't work then you don't eat if you stay in the free states..That is the way it was when this great country was started,,everyone worked for their keep..

31 posted on 09/30/2012 12:00:04 PM PDT by PLD
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To: Brandonmark

What’s the point of elections if people don’t trust the process anymore. We can’t trust government as seen with GhaziGate and our media has never been more biased then they are today. People are fed up. We just need to find a reset switch. It’s hard to imagine another war on U.S. soil. Let’s take it to the desert... Keep it fast and clean! lol


32 posted on 09/30/2012 12:02:24 PM PDT by Ohiobelle
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To: Brandonmark

No issue of the day is bigger than the President’s ineligibility and the government/media complex covering it up.


33 posted on 09/30/2012 12:03:20 PM PDT by kreitzer
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To: Georgia Girl 2
The states will start to go their own way and nullify the Feds. Its a lot smarter way to go.,

I have always believed that the States are the solution to the out of control Feds. However, there is no Governor who has any Warrior blood in his veins or any true love of Liberty to take positive actions.

I have concluded the only way out is to wait (< 10 years) for total collapse and forced "reset" of the Federal monster.

I can't think of any government that once has gained so much power, as the Feds now have, to be "legislated" back to Liberty and limited scope.

With D.C. having 7 of the 10 richest counties in America, they will fight like hell to keep that position.

Also, most local and state governments are infested with legions of sadistic bureaucrats who relish punishing their fellow citizens at every turn. Tyranny is growing at an accelerating pace.

Most of the people attracted to government are evil control freaks.

34 posted on 09/30/2012 12:04:33 PM PDT by sand88
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To: Brandonmark
Some things are worse than death.
35 posted on 09/30/2012 12:07:22 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: Brandonmark

No, but it might just hammer home the fact that the GOP needs to do better.


36 posted on 09/30/2012 12:07:26 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: mnehring

Really !!! Are the “occupiers” going to attack and break some windows ?

Civil war I highly doubt - a bunch of pissed off “occupier” types probably.

Libs and gays don’t own guns anyway. That would be funny, a gay guy with a gun.....


37 posted on 09/30/2012 12:08:56 PM PDT by mike_9958
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To: Brandonmark

No.

The frog has been in the pot for four years now.
So far no signs of being ready to jump out.


38 posted on 09/30/2012 12:09:13 PM PDT by Iron Munro (US Embassies Come and Go But An Obama Apology Lasts Forever)
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To: Brandonmark

Civil war? Who is going to fight who? Where are these “warriors” going to come from? The 20 somethings in this country do not give a rats rear about what is happening here as long as their Ifone is working and their gameboy is working. They have no motivation or desire to sacrifice anything, much less go live like an animal in the woods and fight for any kind of cause.

You can’t even get anyone to challenge the IRS these days, folks just meekly pay what they are told to pay.

There is a much better chance of Aztlan being established in the former south western states than Americans fighting a civil war against each other in the US.


39 posted on 09/30/2012 12:09:20 PM PDT by wrench
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To: Bridesheadfan

“If Romney wins, there may be riots in the big urban areas.”

Good.


40 posted on 09/30/2012 12:09:20 PM PDT by henkster (With Carter, the embassy staff was still alive.)
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To: HangnJudge
Have the people of the USA become so fragmented that all hope of E. Pluribus Unum has been lost?

E. Pluribus Unum... in today's progressive America, a dead concept written in a dead language by dead white guys.

41 posted on 09/30/2012 12:11:32 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: Brandonmark
Either scenario, just be careful not to live under any of the big blue piles!

(The valleys in between are all Galt's Gulches. Go Galt if Obama wins!)

42 posted on 09/30/2012 12:17:40 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: mnehring
No, people will go right back to watching Honey Boo Boo, American Idle and ordering pizza.

Sure. Stick with the things that unite us.

43 posted on 09/30/2012 12:28:50 PM PDT by x
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To: tcrlaf

NO...
But an Obama LOSS just might.

So to avoid a bloody civil war we should vote for 0bama?????

An 0bama win will trigger a deeper recession with more debt monetization and currency collapse. When the 47% realize that food and fuel inflation have significantly outstripped their entitlement payments, the civil strife will begin. During the Weimar Republic in the early 30s, the hyperinflation was so bad that people spent 90% of income on food. I think that the key number to look at is the percentage that people must spend on essential items such as food and fuel. This critical percentage to trigger civil strife will be lower today than in the 1930s when many people were generally God fearing, still lived on farms, knew how to fix things and relied much less on technology.


44 posted on 09/30/2012 12:29:24 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: Brandonmark

oh I certainly hope so. But I want Romney to win.


45 posted on 09/30/2012 12:35:15 PM PDT by SMGFan (SMGfan is not "Sub Machine Gun" fan)
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To: sand88
I have concluded the only way out is to wait (< 10 years) for total collapse and forced "reset" of the Federal monster.

Your analysis is very reasoned and well thought out! I will be moving my family well away from a liberal hell hole in the next year (family ties have held me back to date, but half of near relatives have fled). Better to wait out the collapse well away from cities when they melt down. Go Galt!

46 posted on 09/30/2012 12:35:33 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: radpolis
The truth is that if every conservative went Galt or on strike for just one week by not engaging in any commerce, as well as pull their children out of school, or just delay paying their taxes, it would do more to undermine liberalism than any other act, because the fact is that liberal need people to consume and pay taxes to function.

I think that's a brilliant thought.

Why not do it in October?

If even conservative who is "prepared" went off the grid in every way for 1-2 weeks, the sooner the more effective, it'd send a huge wave of panic through the obama regime and through the economy.

Sadly, it'd likely be a tipping point for the economy as well.

OTOH, worth it to get rid of the chair.

47 posted on 09/30/2012 12:35:33 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Brandonmark

An Obama loss will certainly bring a violent reaction. I think if Obama losses we will see many a ‘Blue’ City go up in flames. How long and how bad? I don’t know, but our enemies will be sure to be ready to take advantage of the chaos.

One reason I urge preppers to be as ready as possible by the end of October and if possible you might just happen to schedule a preparedness drill for yourself for the first week in November.

“A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.” NIV Proverbs 22:3


48 posted on 09/30/2012 12:37:40 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Georgia Girl 2

If 0bama loses there will be rioting in the major inner cities that will be put down hard. Romney’s election only buys us time. The combination of moochers, looters and entitlement slugs outnumbering the producers and taxpayers plus the inevitable economic collapse will plunge this nation into violent chaos. In order to prevent it, Romney would have to implement extreme politically suicidal policies, but he does not have the cojones to do it. This country is too divided. Our only hope is secession. We need to form a new country from the states of Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida.


49 posted on 09/30/2012 12:38:48 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Brandonmark
No, but there might be a lot of individual secessions from the Union.


50 posted on 09/30/2012 12:38:57 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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