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Man who left loaded revolver just yards from a sleeping baby jailed for six years
dailymail.co.uk ^ | 30 September, 2012 | Sarah Johnson

Posted on 10/01/2012 8:04:49 AM PDT by marktwain

They found an antique Russian Smith and Wesson 44 revolver wrapped in a blanket in the child’s cot near where he was sleeping on a bed.

The gun was loaded and fully operational. Alongside it officers also found a machete.

Mr Arif, aged 42, was arrested nearby and charged with possession of a firearm.

At first, he denied all knowledge of the weapons, saying they had been put there by someone else, but forensic experts recovered his DNA from the trigger guard and the ammunition in the chamber, proving that he had handled the firearm.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; swrussian; uk
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That antique .44 is likely worth quite a bit to a collector in the U.S. I wonder if guns confiscated by British police can be exported to the U.S. market. When I had an FFL, I bought dozens of lovely S&W model 10 revolvers that had been carried by London police. I was told by the distributor that the London police had switched to Glocks. Some holster wear, but it was obvious that they had not been shot much.
1 posted on 10/01/2012 8:04:57 AM PDT by marktwain
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Not a great place to put a gun, but the baby would not have had the strength to fire the weapon.


2 posted on 10/01/2012 8:11:22 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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But a guy who did a hit and run and killed a young girl only got four years. Only in England.


3 posted on 10/01/2012 8:12:06 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("OF COURSE I TALK TO MYSELF - Sometimes I need an expert opinion")
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Jailed for 6 years? In Britain???? They don’t jail people for 6 years in Britain who mug and kill people. The British justice system is really screwed up.


4 posted on 10/01/2012 8:12:48 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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Muzie didn’t want evil Christians to kidnap his future terororist.


5 posted on 10/01/2012 8:13:06 AM PDT by boomop1 (term limits will only save this country.)
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wow terrorist


6 posted on 10/01/2012 8:18:09 AM PDT by boomop1 (term limits will only save this country.)
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The baby was in terrible danger from the proximity of the gun. it could, too easily, have crawled over and strangled the infant.


7 posted on 10/01/2012 8:24:37 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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I have a beautiful example of a Cogswell & Harrison conversion of a S&W Victory Model 38 S&W to accept 38 Special cartridges. They also added a ramped front sight and removed the parkerizing and blued/polished it.

Several barrel pressure test markings and C&H stamps as well as the old V-model Serial Number on the Lanyard Ring bottom of the butt....nice gun...got it for a song...


8 posted on 10/01/2012 8:27:23 AM PDT by Gaffer
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“Mr Arif”. Sure sounds Amish to me.........


9 posted on 10/01/2012 8:36:57 AM PDT by EggsAckley ("There's an Ethiopian in the fuel supply!")
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Each of those six bullets could have killed someone.

Whew, imagine if those six bullets had teamed up with an SUV!

10 posted on 10/01/2012 8:37:05 AM PDT by bgill
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I was asking myself is the sentence was for the firearm or child endangerment.

I found my answer at the link:

Under the current law anyone found guilty of possessing an illegal firearm faces a minimum sentence of five years in prison.

11 posted on 10/01/2012 8:37:39 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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I have the Cimarron Arms (Uberti made) Model 3 Russian of this in 45 Colt....a very nice gun...the Russian Model 3 has a couple of variations on the model 2...a lanyard ring, and a finger tang below the trigger guard....this is a pricey replica... an original 44 would be worth a lot more I’d guess.... The later Schofield I have in 45 colt is very similar, but has a much better retention mechanism that doesn’t require two hands to break it open to reload like the Russian...


12 posted on 10/01/2012 8:37:39 AM PDT by Gaffer
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I was asking myself if the sentence was for the firearm or child endangerment.

I found my answer at the link:

Under the current law anyone found guilty of possessing an illegal firearm faces a minimum sentence of five years in prison.

13 posted on 10/01/2012 8:38:08 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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They found an antique Russian Smith and Wesson 44 revolver wrapped in a blanket in the child’s cot near where he was sleeping on a bed.

LOL, a “Russian” S&W? I must have missed something or didn’t read that right.


14 posted on 10/01/2012 8:49:19 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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“This was a very powerful handgun, with a fully loaded chamber, which could have had devastating consequences if fired.

Because everyone knows that if it was just a .22 the bullets would bounce off the kids. At most they'll cry some and you'll have to buy them some ice cream to make them feel better. < /sarc>

15 posted on 10/01/2012 8:51:58 AM PDT by KarlInOhio ("Government is the only thing that we all belong to"=implicit repeal of the 13th amendment for all.)
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1) The fact that Britain jails people for six years who simply OWN A REVOLVER is insane.

2) That said, it's still good to get someone out of circulation who's first name is 'Mohammad'.

16 posted on 10/01/2012 8:52:59 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The American news media, the 'Pravda Press', is fully Soviet-ized.)
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LOL, a “Russian” S&W? I must have missed something or didn’t read that right.

Wikipedia S&W Russian Model

Russian Model

Smith & Wesson produced large numbers of the Model 3, in three distinct models, for the Russian Empire by special order. The first was the 1st Model Russian (the original order design), and the Russian Ordnance Inspector mandated a number of improvements to the design, resulting in the 2nd Model Russian, with a final revision to the Russian design being known as the 3rd Model Russian.

Smith & Wesson nearly went bankrupt as a result of their Russian Contract production, as the Imperial government assigned a number of engineers and gunsmiths to reverse-engineer the Smith & Wesson design, and then began to produce copies of the revolver—both in their own arsenal at Tula and by contracting other manufacturers in Germany and elsewhere in Europe to manufacture copies of the revolver (a common practice at the time—Webley & Scott's British Bulldog revolver was widely copied, too, by European and American gunsmiths).

The Russian and European copies of the S&W Model 3 revolver were generally of very high quality, but considerably cheaper than the S&W produced revolvers. This led to the Imperial government cancelling the order for significant quantities of Smith & Wesson–made revolvers (which Smith & Wesson had already produced), and delaying (or refusing) payment for the handguns that had already been delivered.[5]

17 posted on 10/01/2012 8:56:08 AM PDT by KarlInOhio ("Government is the only thing that we all belong to"=implicit repeal of the 13th amendment for all.)
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...but forensic experts recovered his DNA from the trigger guard and the ammunition in the chamber, proving that he had handled the firearm.

DNA on the cartridges? Well, that's odd.

I've noticed a trend in these articles, where writers or editors use "DNA" to describe pretty much any forensic evidence. I guess it's quicker than typing out "fingerprints", or some other *accurate* description.

18 posted on 10/01/2012 8:56:31 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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LOL, a “Russian” S&W? I must have missed something or didn’t read that right.

In the late 1800's, S&W manufactured revolvers for the Russian government, to their specifications. This model is known as the Russian S&W.

19 posted on 10/01/2012 8:57:30 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

***I have a beautiful example of a Cogswell & Harrison conversion of a S&W Victory Model 38 S&W to accept 38 Special cartridges.***

I have a S&W Victory model that has been converted by the British to .22LR. A new barrel, NP proof marks all over it, sleeved cylinder, different extractor. The parkerizing has been removed and crappy blue is now on it. Shoots great.

20 posted on 10/01/2012 8:57:41 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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