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Supreme Court to take up UT admission case [may strike down racial and ethnic considerations)
Houston Chronicle ^ | October 8, 2012 | Mike Tolsen

Posted on 10/08/2012 8:01:59 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

In the fall of 2008, the University of Texas enrolled 10,335 minority students, not including Asian-Americans. As far as Abigail Fisher was concerned, that was one too many.

Fisher had made good grades in high school - a 3.59 average on a 4.0 scale - posted a score of 1180 on the SAT test and finished as number 82 in a graduating class of 674 at Stephen F. Austin High School in Sugar Land. She figured that was good enough. Then came those dreadful words: "We regret to inform you ..."

Fisher was heartbroken. Her dad went to Texas, and her sister. She bled burnt orange. "I had dreamt of going to UT since the second grade," she said.

This week Fisher may get a little payback. On Wednesday the U.S. Supreme Court will hear oral arguments in the lawsuit she brought against the school that challenges an admissions policy that openly allows for the use of racial preferences. If she's successful - and legal pundits are saying there is a good chance - colleges and universities could henceforth be banned from even considering the racial or ethnic backgrounds of applicants.

(Excerpt) Read more at chron.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: collegeapplicant; pointsforrace; racialpreference; setasides; ut
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1 posted on 10/08/2012 8:02:09 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This has already been ruled on in the Michigan case...

Bye Bye quota’s..


2 posted on 10/08/2012 8:04:30 AM PDT by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

We already have an affirmative action product racial quota President. Too bad they didn’t give him some racial preference points during the debate, he might have had a chance at a tie.


3 posted on 10/08/2012 8:07:40 AM PDT by Harley (Those that don't engage in politics are destined to be governed by inferiors. -Plato)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The Left will either ignore the ruling or find a way around it. Their holy rites must continue.


4 posted on 10/08/2012 8:08:38 AM PDT by lurk
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Two questions:

1. Why aren't Asian-Americans considered a minority?

2. What is she suing for? What damages?..Does she want to be admitted? Or force the UT Bookstore to buy back all her Longhorn gear?

5 posted on 10/08/2012 8:10:00 AM PDT by ken5050 (Barack Obama: An empty suit sitting in an empty chair...)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Seems like a simple case. Should the Obama girls, Bill Cosby’s offspring, Herman Cain’s grandchildren, Jesse Jackson Jr.s kids, etc. be given priority over someone else who may have grown up deprived, worked hard to overcome obstacles, but happens to have white skin, as they say: through no fault of their own?


6 posted on 10/08/2012 8:10:54 AM PDT by Anima Mundi (ENVY IS JUST PASSIVE, LAZY GREED)
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To: ken5050

#1 - Because they excel in schooling and don’t blame whitey.


7 posted on 10/08/2012 8:12:59 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The eyes of Texas are upon you....


8 posted on 10/08/2012 8:13:14 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

wow.
yet thousands get taxpayer money for Pell Grants,
with TOTAL SAT scores of less than 800 !
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2938180/posts
Southern University at New Orleans, Louisiana Graduation rate: 4% Undergraduates: 2,590 Median SAT score: 715 Pell Grant recipients: 75.8%


9 posted on 10/08/2012 8:18:14 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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1. Why aren’t Asian-Americans considered a minority?

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THAT is the $64,000 question !!!

that, is the elephant in the room.
along with the fact that crime rates for Asians,
are lowest of all.

...kind of destroys 99% of the left’s “minority” arguments.


10 posted on 10/08/2012 8:20:12 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Chief Justice Roberts will probably decide for the majority that Racial Quotas are not actually Racial Quotas. Rather, they are Racial Taxes and therefore constitutional.


11 posted on 10/08/2012 8:31:41 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Romney vs Obama, Round One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyNxHOZiQPA)
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To: ken5050

Asians are actually discriminated AGAINST because they are “over-represented” in college admissions.


12 posted on 10/08/2012 8:33:24 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: ken5050
"1. Why aren't Asian-Americans considered a minority?"

If Asian-American's SAT scores were lumped in with Black's and Latino's scores, minority SAT scores might be equal to or higher than majority SAT scores. (I think the PC term is now "underrepresented minority" to distinguish Blacks, Latinos and Native Americans from those dull, uninteresting, overperforming "overrepresented minorities".) This doesn't fit in at all with the beliefs and goals of PC university admissions committees.

13 posted on 10/08/2012 8:36:52 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Elendur

1) The goal is equal outcome, not equal opportunity.

Otherwise, uncomfortable cultural differences are brought into question, and that can not be allowed to happen, as it lays bare the lie.


14 posted on 10/08/2012 8:55:29 AM PDT by biggerten (Love you, Mom.)
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To: ken5050

“1. Why aren’t Asian-Americans considered a minority?”

I recently had the opportunity to attend a high school graduation.

The valedictorian plus the next 9 top students were announced because they all received full-scholarships to major universities.

The valedictorian and the top 5 behind her were all Asian females. The 7th was Asian male.

They were follwed by a Caucasian male, a Caucasian female and an African-American female.

Does that answer your question?

In other words, they blow everyone else out of the water so that there is no need to call them “minority”.

This isn’t an isolated case. It happens across the country with the same results.


15 posted on 10/08/2012 9:01:28 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I think it should be absolutely illegal for any federal, state or local government funded entity to EVER ask questions about race. Just the question being on applications should be a flat-out violation of the Equal Protection Clause, must less race being allowed to be used for quotas, admissions or hiring.

Any government agency or instutition that receives government tax dollars should be 100% color and race blind.


16 posted on 10/08/2012 9:11:09 AM PDT by Tamzee (The U.S. re-electing Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and ramming the iceberg again.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race,” John Roberts


17 posted on 10/08/2012 9:18:14 AM PDT by Tamzee (The U.S. re-electing Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and ramming the iceberg again.)
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To: lurk

The way around it is the essay. It is often easy to tell, both from style and content, when an essay has been written by a minority.

What I have observed locally is that in order to increase minority numbers in a school, they will drop the cutoff score for admissions test (in order to increase the number of eligible minorities), then they will admit ALL minorities who exceed the minimum cutoff score. They use the essay question to justify this and there is no way to protest it because the scoring of an essay is so subjective.


18 posted on 10/08/2012 9:40:40 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: Elendur
Edward Blum, head of Project for Fair Representation, a Washington, D.C.-based group opposed to affirmative action. "That race-neutral method created more diversity than race-based affirmative action had before it. The addition of race-based affirmative action to the top 10 has not brought significant numbers of black and Hispanic students to UT."

He's out of date. UT whined and stomped its feet because it's jocks weren't smart enough to get admitted under the Top 10% rule (which became law for all of Texas' public universities because of Hopwood v. UT 1996 when lower scoring minorities were admitted to UT Law over higher ranking whites). In 2009, UT president actually said with a straight face they'd have to close down the football program if they had to follow the law. HAHAHAHAHA! As if UT would EVER not have Longhorn football, SNORT! As a result of that latest steaming pile of bs from the lib tea-sipping treehuggers and a waste of untold tax dollars and legislature time wasted, as of fall semester of 2011, UT has to only admit the Top 8% SAT scoring freshmen while the rest of the state still has to admit the Top 10% meaning UT has more opportunity to admit what they consider deserving students regardless of their SAT scores.

That said, this girl's case was from 2008 when UT was required by law to admit the Top 10% (you are automatically admitted if you graduate in the top 10% of your high school class, if you don't then your application has to compete with everyone else). By law she would have had a tough climb to be admitted to UT. Who knows how the case will go but from what I see, she doesn't have much of a chance:

http://www.utexas.edu/student/admissions/research/HB588-Report12.pdf

The above chart shows the 2008 Top 10% admits for their freshman class were: 48% white, <1% Native Amer, 6% black, 20% Asian, 23% Hispanic. The Non-Top 10% were: 65% white, 1% Native American, 5% black, Asian 14%, and 13% Hispanic.

As for the Asians, you can see from the chart there is a huge percent of them at UT. Walk through the music department and you'll not see anyone but Asians. Why the case isn't considering Asians a minority is anyone's guess.

19 posted on 10/08/2012 10:09:58 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Seems a whole lot of people of color being judged by the color of their skin vs the content of their character. Funny the people who demanded a holiday for MLK seem all too willing to turn their back on his ideals.


20 posted on 10/08/2012 10:22:29 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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