Posted on 10/12/2012 12:35:48 AM PDT by nathanbedford
I feel asleep listening to debate on radio. Biden was clearly trying to dominate the younger Ryan and push him off message.
Yes Ryan was a little anxious, expected on this stage for the first time, but he didn't stray far in what I heard. He didn't take the bait from Biden and he handed the 47% line well by gently poking fun at Biden.
Biden wasted his time trying to talk over Ryan and instead of talking Obama policy going forward would complain about Romney and Bush.
Ryan was smart to point out Obama had a unified government when he was elected and bring up the old Obama quote about failing candidates talking now about their policies but trying to make you afraid of their opponents. That was devastating.
Too many here complain about "missed opportunities;" I saw the same said about Romney's first performance which, frankly, was a masterclass. He probably could not have done better. Forgotten in all this is the audience. This isn't about scoring in a debate class. It's about SALESMANSHIP. You don't pile on, you don't oversell, you don't appear desperate.
I should add the podcast mentions Rusty is changing time slots live so I will have to check out when he will be on. As you know jerry Doyle took over for savage. Should have been Rusty, but I like that rusty is on so late he is on during debates and convention coverage and other primetime breaking news so he is usually the first show to comment on issues of the day the other shows have to catchup with the next day.
That said, I think he missed too many opportunities. He should have pointed out during Biden's rant about Iraq that Biden voted for the war. He should have pointed out that GM did go bankrupt, and all Obama did was take control of the process to pay off the UAW at the expense of the bond holders.
And he should have brought up this: How the Democrats Created the Financial Crisis: Kevin Hassett
Maybe R&R are holding back, but I wish he had been more aggressive with some of this.
This so reminds me of the Bush-Gore debate when Gore acted so much like a jerk:
Question? Who won the debate?
Gore
Question? Who are you going to vote for?
Bush
Did you notice that Biden beat up on Ryan over Part D Medicare and then turned around later and touted Part D? What an idiot.
In order for this to be a game changer, Biden needed to absolutely put Ryan away. Because of Biden’s rude and condescending attitude, that didn't happen.
Rusty mentioned it at start of hour three. He is moving to 3pm eastern. But some stations have no room for him since they have a set schedule with other shows so they will still run Rusty at 9pm eastern. But this also means his podcast will be on earlier. So Rusty did not replace savage but will be on during Hannity. That should be fun. Gives conservatives a better option than Hannity.
Now, now, Safetgiver, don't exaggerate. According to the RNC, Binden only interrupted Ryan 82 times! :-)
Bohannon had a woman from a Television fact check organization who stated it was 96 interruptions (probably counted all the asides he smirked off to his right hand side and the ‘Oh, Gods’ under his breath) to Ryan’s 6 interuptions.
Yes. I tried to look at this debate as a truly undecided voter...there are so few of them this time around. If I were an undecided voter, I would have been a bit irritated at the rudeness of Biden. On the other side, I would say Ryan was at times a wee bit too "technical" with his explanations. But if I was judging them as men, I think Ryan came across as more grown up.
That was the point of the Democrat strategy, and I believe that had Biden not been cheesing so much acting as though everything Ryan said was ludicrous, he would have been viewed as having soundly beaten the Republican VP nominee.
Fortunately for us, it appears that Biden went too far and came across as the a-hole he really is. It also helps that while the casual observer's eyes glaze over when Ryan gets into the details, Biden jarred their attention with his buffoonery.
Biden was “Eddie Haskel” to Ryan’s “Wally.”
Obama = Downers
Biden = Uppers
“Biden was “Eddie Haskel” to Ryan’s “Wally.””
You nailed it.
Ryan came prepared to carry on a serious discussion. Biden came to try to cast him as Dan Quayle. The Kennedy reference couldn’t even be delivered with precision. It flopped miserably.
Ryan refused to stoop to his level. WOMEN weren’t having any of Biden’s juvenile behavior. After debate responses reveal he even lost them.
Yes, you and I would have loved to see Ryan deliver some of the retorts you mentioned. Frankly, those would only have served to detract from Biden’s distracting behavior in the eyes of the glazed over Leftist sect.
I think Ryan played it about right. When your enemy is destroying himself, don’t interrupt. More factual information would merely have been laughed at by Biden.
Biden seriously hurt his own ticket last night. Obama didn’t care to engage. Biden now takes his debate as one big joke.
That’s some tag team there, and they’re being laughed off the national stage.
Think of all the serious issues Biden laughed through last night. Think anyone is taking him serious this morning?
No.
Romney was brilliant in his closing to refer to the Declaration and Constitution, quoting them, although , of course, he did have the prompt of the set wall paper. I was disappointed Ryan didn’t pick up that theme in his closing. Also, the number they need to have people remember isn’t “47%, “ or even 23,000,000 but 4,000, the decline of household income during Obama-Biden. As another poster pointed out in a discussion weeks ago, that’s a middle class family that does without a vacation this year, or indeed, has no discretionary income to do anything.
I'm getting tired of it and one day I'm just going to knock him on his ass.......(Im surprised I haven't already)
Exactly! You can win the debate and lose the election!
But I did have a fleeting thought as the debate started out with Biden’s lie about Libya...America DOES know differently, America is engaged with regards to what happened there. I think we under-estimate those undecided voters. Right about now they are coming online to get information. Biden telling a lie right out in the first 2 minutes of the debate and then people seeing his buffoonery...I think it was a deadly wrong tactic for the voters who just might actually save this nation by their vote.
So they saw 0bama and his epic failure in the first debate.
Now, they saw Biden lie, actually lie in the course of a debate about the death of dignitaries representing America overseas.
Biden did not win any trust because he started out telling the Libya lie, to a national audience, that is waking up to learn they were lied to all through September. BAAAAd move by Biden. I view the undecideds as people who were tuning in to here Ryan and wanted information and points about Romney/Ryan, they already had a picture in their minds about gaffe prone Biden. Biden reinforced that picture last night. That said, I think the debate left folks more frustrated. But, as any parent knows when dealing with children, the loudest one has the most to hide.
No,sir. Lay it on me.
Too true, Art. In stark contrast to our common hope, expressed so many times after the first debate that "Super smart tea party Ryan will mop the floor with statist buffoon Biden."
Mastery of the finest Martial Arts helps little in mud wrestling.
This is why I'm so dour on the whole election.
We keep trying to sew silk purses out of the sow's ear reality that roughly half of the people in this country want people like Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid, Axelrod, Rahm, Brown, SEIU etc "fighting" (people like us) "for them."
I saw a CNN comments section which was mostly "tax them till they bleed" comments, products of our gubbmint schools no doubt.
Even if we fixed the schools today, we wouldn't see those voters until after 2030.
If indeed the cause is lost (and I pray the Lord saves us in spite of ourselves), then the historical corollary might be that Reagan was our Fort Sumpter, Bush/Gore 2000 was Gettysburg, and we're now in the wilderness campaign.
I too noticed the waterglass and each time was concerned for the constriction of Ryan's throat. From my observations of public speakers this is the first symptom of increasing stress and several times I felt Ryan's voice was losing its projection. It would not surprise me to find that Biden also noted the frequency of Ryan's waterglass and seized on this chink in the armor. Perhaps Paul had read Sun Tzu and gave this head-fake to goad Joe into a overly-aggressive posture. If so, I believe it worked and the post-debate discussion is as much about Joe's demeanor than the content of the discussions.
My enduring concern throughout this election season is the temperament of women - most are driven by superficial issues and often go for the Slick-talker. Here is where I feel this debate may be most significant: the women I know are confrontation-averse mostly due to their fear being bullied and demeaned in the manner of Joe Biden. Surely Paul had numerous opportunities to strike at Obama/Biden's carotids but maintaining a civil discourse may well be realized as the most effective weapon brought to bare at this moment.
Paul Ryan is an honorable man and I am gratified that he did not lower himself to the tone and demeanor that Joe Biden exemplified last night.
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