Vanity: What to do in the worst case scenario

I posted this on a few threads so I figured might as well start a separate thread and try to get some intelligent, insightful answers on this.

Now the Conservative Community just need to 1. Have a Plan A in order to prevent voter fraud from being used to get Obama reelected 2. A Plan B, C, D, E, F through Z to allow us to prepare to handle the worst case disaster scenario that Obama gets elected through voter fraud and other means. What are the Plans A through Z that we have ?

In particular, which of the Republicans in Congress and/or the Republicans will will control Congress do you think and trust will be able to effectively keep the Obama administration from using a Second Administration to cause a full on Depression and will have the ability and fortitude to pass some policies to help restore our values and economy and eliminate our debt to China and save our Constitution ? And I am interested in answers based on genuine knowledge of the Republicans who will be in Congress after this year's elections. Not knee jerk hysteria about how the Republicans supported NDAA (which, btw, does NOT give our president a brand new ability, which he never had before during wartime, to detain American citizens at will, and you can read through the excellent analysis at Lawfare Blog to find out more) or how the Republicans did not oppose Obama on Libya or what not and therefore we must panick and insist every Republican in Office after this year's elections will be useless. I am interested in hearing insight, based on knowledge of the Republicans in Congress, when it comes to determining which Republicans - and perhaps even which Democrats at this point as Party Lines become more meaningless - can and will prevent Obama from doing excessive damage at will.

And also, which State Governers and State Governments are there that can and will defend the economy, American values and our Constitution against a bloated Federal Government and which State Governments have done a good enough job at this so far to give us, shall we say, real hope ?

Now look, it doesn't have to repeated again how many severe problems we will have if Obama wins reelection. And I am certainly not expecting anyone to have rose colored glasses on this. But you have to enter any battle with plan to regroup in the event you lose said battle, and so what are we able and willing to do if we lose this battle? Again, I am interested in genuine, objective and yes, non hysterical answers instead of laments about how America is already a doomed nation.

There would be a downward spiral in the economy; what’s happending now would continue. We’d have the same political stalemate, the same approach by the WH.

Everyone would have to ride it out as things slowed down.

But it would get more and more economically painful.

If things got bad enough, so it became clear that we would have really big problems and not be able to make it 4 more years (very likely), the Senate would come up with an impeachment.

That’s what they see the role of their “club” as - stability.

In much the same way that the Senate winked and nodded and let him take office, rock solid grounds for impeachment would miraculously show up with about 80-20 bi-partisan support.

The “club” fixes things when they absolutely need to be fixed.

Deals get made.

I dont know. I think if Obama wins (especially if it were like a landslide win), then I think we are beyond the point of no return.

Socialism and big government is like drugs. It feels good at first. It feels like its helping you. But when you let it into your life, it takes you over. And eventually, it will destroy you.

Americans may already be addicted to the entitlement culture. They may already be addicted to the drugs. And when a conservative runs for office saying he’s going to take Americans off that drug, people will reject him. I think this election right now is the precipice. If the country does not reject socialism right here and right now, it might be too late.

I'll just comment on one small part of your rather large questions.

1. Have a Plan A in order to prevent voter fraud from being used to get Obama reelected.

This may be the first election in which we see widespread use of fraud in computerized voting.

Democrats should have little trouble accomplishing this:

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9220356/Argonne_researchers_hack_Diebold_e_voting_system_

This will be hard to prevent and hard to detect if it is done carefully. Republicans should try to put themselves in positions of responsibility over the voting machines and networks, and should try to restrict physical access to the machines/networks after voting hours. If a machine breaks, replace it, don't get it repaired. Be suspicious of anyone (aside from voters) who can physically touch a voting machine or who can connect to it by a network.

Eventually, America will have a widely publicized computer voting scandal, and we will drop the computers and return to relatively hack-proof hand marked paper ballots. Until that happens, it is important to raise awareness of the risks we are running with our current computerized voting systems.

I scaled my work way back when Pelosi and Reid started spending like drunken sailors back under GWB, but it’s far worse today. I have been temporarily delaying optional basic purchases (even underwear and socks) for two years, just to make sure I don’t contribute to any apparent economic recovery after ObamaCare was rammed through. If Obama keeps power though, my strategy will change. I will see going off grid as a permanent plan. I expect America to fall by 2016 if that communist does not leave our White House this coming January, and I’ll be working full time on preparing for that inevitable catastrophe - and officially retired. I don’t expect ever to work again if we’re going down that path.

"Eventually, America will have a widely publicized computer voting scandal, and we will drop the computers and return to relatively hack-proof hand marked paper ballots. Until that happens, it is important to raise awareness of the risks we are running with our current computerized voting systems."

If there is a second Obama term, I don't think we can count on what will become the State Run Media to report anything other than what is officially approved. We will have to rely on offshore servers and broadcasts. Even the existing Internet will be subject to monitoring and control, much like China IMO.

There is an interesting book devoted to the question you raised, “Unintended Consequences”.

Unfortunately, it is now expensive, with Amazon listing hard cover copies at as much as $800 (some at $85 to $200).

It examines the questions:
1. When are we finally forced by out of control government to follow the Concord/Lexington examples?
2. Who is shot by whom?

“It’s a strange, strange world we live in, Master Jack” - a line from an older song.

I never thought America would devolve to the point that a book like Unintended Consequences” would be written, nor that it would become a heavily bid for collectors edition.

That Unintended Consequences has become so sought after raises the question: “What have we allowed to be done to the Republic on our watch?”

I fear the answer is: “Nothing good”.

With the storm clouds of Collectivism and Islam about to break, I think of Churchill’s disturbingly prescient lines: “If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” -

And, I fear we have produced an urban population of willing socialists slaves, eager for the modern day ‘Bread & Circuses’ that preceded the fall of Rome.

If the outcome is unclear and/or zero is re- elected.
1. Redouble prepping efforts.
2. Patriot groups should regroup and form prepping support groups.
3. Cut off all contact with ignorant moderates and liberals.
4. Form back up plans to leave the country. We should form some type of consensus on the best country for re-location.
Another 0bama will transform the US into a third world dictatorship via executive orders and czars. The economy will tank, the currency will be destroyed, civil strife will be commonplace. In fact, civil strife may be our friend. Civil strife by the welfare class and Leftists will at least keep the police and military busy and off the backs of the prepared conservative.

I’ll agree w/#1, #2 and #3 is already accomplished.

But not everyone can leave. There are few places to go w/o a large financial cushion. I am not going to leave everyone I know and all I have managed to salvage during these past 4 years.

So, my #4: Begin to live off preps, lowering our outlay as much as possible. I know how to live very frugally. Do nothing at all to help this economy.

Sell our property to younger preppers w/family. It is a lot for two oldsters to keep up. Severely downsize, using the excess profits for survival. Means less outlay for fuel, energy and taxes.

Keep working. This has at least kept us from going broke as quickly over the past 4 years.

Keep our travel w/in 300 miles and not to any urban area at all. It will become even more unstable in those cities.

I’ll agree w/#1, #2 and #3 is already accomplished.

But not everyone can leave. There are few places to go w/o a large financial cushion. I am not going to leave everyone I know and all I have managed to salvage during these past 4 years.

So, my #4: Begin to live off preps, lowering our outlay as much as possible. I know how to live very frugally. Do nothing at all to help this economy.

Sell our property to younger preppers w/family. It is a lot for two oldsters to keep up. Severely downsize, using the excess profits for survival. Means less outlay for fuel, energy and taxes.

Keep working. This has at least kept us from going broke as quickly over the past 4 years.

Keep our travel w/in 300 miles and not to any urban area at all. It will become even more unstable in those cities.

"4. Form back up plans to leave the country. We should form some type of consensus on the best country for re-location."

Be interesting in Freepers' answers to this question. I'll throw three out for consideration, in no particular order: Costa Rica, Panama and the Philippines. In all cases, we have to factor in an assessment of the long-term stability of the country. For those with plenty of funds, Switzerland would also be an option.

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