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BOOM! Sen. Portman: We Need to Find Out If Obama Ever Issued the Order to Secure Benghazi Consulate
Gateway Pundit ^ | October 28, 2012 | Jim Hoft

Posted on 10/28/2012 8:41:57 AM PDT by Qbert

On Friday Barack Obama told Denver’s WUSA TV that on 9-11 he gave the directives to “make sure that we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to” to ensure their safety in Benghazi.

Late on Friday former Assistant Defense Secretary Bing West told FOX News that if the directive was made to secure our personnel there would be a paper trail.

Today Ohio Senator Rob Portman told the FOX News Sunday that we need to find out if this order was ever issued.

There was a shocking breakdown operationally not having the security there in the first place. And not to respond to these guys and their pleas for help for seven hours during a firefight. It’s unbelievable. And, now we’re hearing that the President of the United States, based on his own words, issued a directive immediately after he found out about the firefight saying he wanted to be sure the people on the ground were safe and they were getting what they needed. It didn’t happen. This means that either the president’s order was not followed. Which would be a breakdown in terms of the White House procedure or it means the order wasn’t issued. We need to find out about this. It’s not about politics.

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Retired Army Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer said Saturday he has sources saying President Barack Obama was in the room at the White House watching the assault on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya unfold.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: benghazi; benghazicoverup; benghazistanddown; obama; robportman; shadowwars; threatmatrix
Full title: "BOOM! Senator Portman: We Need to Find Out If Obama Ever Issued the Order to Secure Benghazi Consulate …(There was no order)"
1 posted on 10/28/2012 8:42:05 AM PDT by Qbert
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To: Qbert
Only the POTUS can grant "cross border authority," even if the rescue is already in full swing, flying in toward Benghazi.

They cannot cross into Libyan air space without explicit permission from POTUS.

No CBA permission, no rescue, period. This belongs 110% to Obama.


2 posted on 10/28/2012 8:45:24 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Qbert

Remember, Obama has taken great pride in saying that Libya was liberated without American blood being shed. Obama did not want potential voters to wake up to our uniformed military being KIA.

So, DOD assets were told to stand down as CIA subcontractors, whose presence could be concealed, were tasked with extracting diplomatic assets from the Mission. Also, those operators were familiar with the battlefield and were leveraged with local friendly militia.

As the battlefield was so unshaped and on/off and populated by hostiles of unknown strength and unknown weapons, this was a reasonable tactical choice anyway.

Other rapid response units that could have gotten there would have been too little and too late.

General Ham and Africom, were frustrated that in this theater of their responsibility, they were not in position to act effectively.

The Ambassador’s loss was collateral.

The goals of the hostiles were to:

1. Exploit document and computer file intel regarding oil contracts and weapons movements.

2. Acquire the weapons that the Brits stored at our Mission after they shut down their Mission.

3. Revenge the death of Yahya al-Libi the AQ 2nd in command.

4. Take our Ambassador hostage to pressure the release of the “Blind Sheik”. The hostiles tried very hard to find Stevens but could not. He would have been far more valuable alive to the hostiles.


3 posted on 10/28/2012 8:46:19 AM PDT by gandalftb (The art of diplomacy says "nice doggie", until you find a bigger rock.)
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To: Qbert

Imagine you’re watching a live Predator feed of our people fighting for their lives. Would you issue this lame ass order, “make sure that we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to” to ensure their safety in Benghazi?


4 posted on 10/28/2012 8:47:52 AM PDT by ryan71
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To: Qbert

Boom? What boom? Does Obama care what Senator Portman wants to know? Since when?

Pun-leese.


5 posted on 10/28/2012 8:48:23 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Qbert

Legs will be gotten when a Democrat Senator starts questioning this. Perhaps one that his in trouble and can be goaded into looking ‘tough’ for his independent constiuents...[hint hint]


6 posted on 10/28/2012 8:50:30 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Qbert

WUSA is in DC, not Denver.


7 posted on 10/28/2012 8:50:36 AM PDT by Senator Goldwater
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To: Qbert

Juan Williams on Fox is really dumb and in the tank.


8 posted on 10/28/2012 8:52:39 AM PDT by Parmy
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To: Steely Tom

Drudge has nothing at all up on Benghazi. Seems odd given it’s Sunday and viewership is up among those readers out of the loop.


9 posted on 10/28/2012 8:52:39 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY)
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To: Qbert

BAM! Bam’s got a lot of ‘splain’ to do...so which will it be? A) Campaign B) Fund Raise C) Golf or D) The View?


10 posted on 10/28/2012 8:53:04 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Qbert

11 posted on 10/28/2012 8:54:13 AM PDT by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: Qbert

Unfortunately, it’s on FNC, not CNN, CBS, or other outlets. FNC basically broke the news, so most viewers there already knew what’s going on.


12 posted on 10/28/2012 8:54:19 AM PDT by paudio (4Bs: Big-bird, Binders, Bayonets, and... Bullshiter ! <= New 0bama's campaign slogan)
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To: All; Nachum; Cindy; G8 Diplomat; AdmSmith; Dog; nuconvert; Straight Vermonter; dervish; ...

BTW, our operators couldn’t find Stevens either, even though he was in the same “safe room” as Smith, whom we did recover on the second of three extraction efforts.

Close Quarter Battle offers the most chaotic of any human experience. The battle for the Mission is easy to criticize and analyze from the bench, especially if that bench is in the White House.

One of the disgraceful conditions that DOD has been placed under by Obama is that they are required to hesitate tactically while Obama measures the possible political fallout.

Remember LBJ? Every Democrat presidency has been plagued by a wariness of DOD command and has injected itself into tactics and not stayed at a strategic level only as they should.


13 posted on 10/28/2012 8:58:13 AM PDT by gandalftb (The art of diplomacy says "nice doggie", until you find a bigger rock.)
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To: Qbert

14 posted on 10/28/2012 8:59:44 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Travis McGee

“Old yellow-stain”


15 posted on 10/28/2012 9:04:01 AM PDT by paint_your_wagon
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To: Qbert

In the case of what happened to our heroes in Lybia...

I would rather die trying to save those men then not die not trying to save them.

Mr. Obama, you are the lowest, most despicable president in the history of US presidents.

While other presidents have had their faces immortalized on Mount Rushmore, you, sir, should have your face immortalized in a pile of dog shit.


16 posted on 10/28/2012 9:05:38 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: gandalftb
Other rapid response units that could have gotten there would have been too little and too late.

Don't buy that premise.

TRANSCRIPT: Presidential debate on foreign policy at Lynn University
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/22/transcript-presidential-debate-on-foreign-policy-at-lynn-university/

Obama “Now with respect to Libya, as I indicated in the last debate, when we received that phone call, I immediately made sure that, number one, that we did everything we could to secure those Americans who were still in harm’s way;”

17 posted on 10/28/2012 9:05:58 AM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: gandalftb

CIA to their credit, conducted all three extractions at the extreme risk to its operators whom were under no obligation or responsibility to do so.

DOD’s position militarily has changed. CIA and its “lilypad” bases and operators now conduct a sizable part of our special operations worldwide. That puts them often in closer proximity to hostiles than DOD, as in Benghazi.


18 posted on 10/28/2012 9:06:40 AM PDT by gandalftb (The art of diplomacy says "nice doggie", until you find a bigger rock.)
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To: Qbert
Retired Army Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer said Saturday he has sources saying President Barack Obama was in the room at the White House watching the assault on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya unfold.

There was a rumor on the site that cannot be named on FR that the President enjoyed Predator snuff films. Those are films of his own making. Some are beginning to inquire if this was one, too.

19 posted on 10/28/2012 9:07:23 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: ryan71

And imagine your in the situation room an hour later, anticipating the first of the outside air supremacy should be arriving from Italy.


20 posted on 10/28/2012 9:08:17 AM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: Qbert

“We are seeking, by the help of Allah, to capture others and to incite Muslims to capture the citizens of the countries that are fighting Muslims in order to release our captives,” he said, praising the kidnapping of Warren Weinstein, a 71-year-old American aid worker in Pakistan last year...”
NewsNax

(Did our Seals inadvertently disrupt a planned “kidnapping” of our Ambassador? Why... Perhaps to exchange him for the blind Sheik. It would explain the order to stand down.)


21 posted on 10/28/2012 9:12:26 AM PDT by StraightDave (.)
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To: Windflier
I borrowed your idea...


22 posted on 10/28/2012 9:15:22 AM PDT by frankenMonkey
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To: Steely Tom

Never mentioned on ABC,CBS,NBC or CNN. Means nothing when only we see it on Fox.


23 posted on 10/28/2012 9:16:10 AM PDT by ncfool (OMG 2012)
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To: Parmy

Juam is a porch stoolie for the libs.


24 posted on 10/28/2012 9:16:25 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Qbert

The One and Panetta are working on that order right now.


25 posted on 10/28/2012 9:16:31 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: gandalftb
Other rapid response units that could have gotten there would have been too little and too late.

That's CRAP!! The battle lasted for 7 hours! 1-2 hours at the most to reach target. These people died in the 7th hour. From what evidence we have about the Laser target on the mortar position alone would have prevented some of these deaths.

The most important question right now is WHO gave the ORDER to stand down! This needs to be answered by the president!

26 posted on 10/28/2012 9:19:31 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: Parmy

I think Juan Williams is honest. He only on FOX so they can have a liberal pinata on set to spout of their talking points so that the other 5 “conservatives” on set can give their immediate rebuttals. If Juan Williams was on MSNBC not only would he be the smartest person they had each night, he would have more integrity than all of them combined.


27 posted on 10/28/2012 9:20:12 AM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: Son House

“that we did everything we could to secure those Americans who were still in harm’s way”

“everything we could” Exactly my point, CIA operators were all that we could do, given the unshaped and rapidly evolving battlefield there.

We have a number of rapid response units worldwide, some are more quickly deployed than others, largely depending on air assets for deployment, ground support, and overwatch.

We had three units deployed that were tactically capable of relieving the Benghazi mission. However, two were committed to relief of the embassies in Cairo and Khartoum and the third committed to AfPak.

We were stretched too thin. Africom wanted to send the unit staged for Khartoum but was denied, hence General Ham’s disagreements.


28 posted on 10/28/2012 9:20:33 AM PDT by gandalftb (The art of diplomacy says "nice doggie", until you find a bigger rock.)
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To: paudio

"Unfortunately, it’s on FNC, not CNN, CBS, or other outlets."

A prime example of why those other "news" outlets continue to lose viewers month after month...

29 posted on 10/28/2012 9:25:14 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: sirchtruth

“That’s CRAP!! The battle lasted for 7 hours!”

You are correct, it was “CRAP”. There was no “7 hour” battle, but three distinct firefights in that 7 hour period.

By the third firefight, hostiles brought up a mortar, set up about 2,000 yards away and began firing. Any laser painting that far downrange is unreliable.

However, had any of the UAV’s overhead been armed, they could have used IR targeting and easily degraded the mortar(s). Having no armed overwatch on those several and very valuable Benghazi assets on 9/11 was a mistake.

Poor threat assessment beforehand. Again, it’s easy to call ‘em from the bench.


30 posted on 10/28/2012 9:30:12 AM PDT by gandalftb (The art of diplomacy says "nice doggie", until you find a bigger rock.)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping


31 posted on 10/28/2012 9:31:30 AM PDT by Nachum (The List was hacked- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: gandalftb

You can give all of the reasons for not lifting a finger that you like. And you may be correct in your assessment.
But this was the anniversary of 9-11 for cripes sake. We should have been prepared for anything & everything on that day.
The fools in the white hut were not & are not prepared.


32 posted on 10/28/2012 9:36:50 AM PDT by certrtwngnut (He shrugs!)
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To: certrtwngnut

I agree, as I previously stated:

“Poor threat assessment beforehand.”

Stevens was known to travel without any security, using local drivers with unknown loyalties. In fact, at the time we were advertising for hire of an American citizen driver for Stevens.

With all the well known threats to our diplomatic locales worldwide, Stevens chose to leave the protection of our Tripoli embassy and drive to Benghazi, to talk business, on 9/11.

Hubris.


33 posted on 10/28/2012 9:45:45 AM PDT by gandalftb (The art of diplomacy says "nice doggie", until you find a bigger rock.)
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To: Qbert

Obama’s statement of , “We’ll do what ever it takes” is bullsh!t. Any five year would say something as lame. A real CIC would have said we would commence operational plans that we have in place to address these types of emergencies.

We have personal and equipment standing ready all around the world to handle these types of problems. It’s not like we have to gather together in a meeting to figure out what to do!

Obama....Coward


34 posted on 10/28/2012 9:57:25 AM PDT by 23 Everest (When seconds count. The police are just 23 minutes away. 831 Bonnie)
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To: gandalftb

BTW, Stevens, to his credit, did arrange to have 5 local security agents meet him at the Mission. At least 4 of the 5 abandoned Stevens at or before the shooting began.

Every foreign diplomat is trained not to rely on only locals for security. You always have at least a mixed group from at least two separate cities, agents that don’t know each other.

Because of the anarchy in Libya and distances involved, this problem was forced onto Stevens and became the status quo.


35 posted on 10/28/2012 10:12:05 AM PDT by gandalftb (The art of diplomacy says "nice doggie", until you find a bigger rock.)
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To: Nachum; Cindy; G8 Diplomat; AdmSmith; Dog; nuconvert; Straight Vermonter; dervish; ...

ping


36 posted on 10/28/2012 10:13:38 AM PDT by gandalftb (The art of diplomacy says "nice doggie", until you find a bigger rock.)
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To: Steely Tom

This denial of help is zero’s MO, going all the way back to denial of air or artillery support because of his rules of engagement.


37 posted on 10/28/2012 10:14:34 AM PDT by gunner03
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To: Travis McGee

To me that’s totally B.S. In Europe they are whining about the numerous CIA flying into their air space with captured prisoners from Afghanistan!!!


38 posted on 10/28/2012 10:44:18 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: ryan71

He went to bed before the fight was over because he had to go to Nevada next morning. It’s very tactical that it’s the Senator and not Romney ringing the bell!!!

Don’t forget Clint Eastwood’s later comment: “This is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on the American People”???


39 posted on 10/28/2012 10:48:37 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: RitaOK; Steely Tom

Yes, he has, I sent him a link to the “fired” Rear Admiral which also links to firing of Genera Ham and Drudge posted it yesterday!!!


40 posted on 10/28/2012 10:51:53 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: castlegreyskull

I repect Williams for coming onto a more conservatrive station and NOT changing his views to be a hypocrite and kiss up to conservatives.

I dont mind a liberal as long as they are HONEST about it, and willing to discuss it.

I keep hoping he will see the light, it seems so odd that he can’t so far, but at least we are hearing what the liberal viewpoint is (know your enemy)


41 posted on 10/28/2012 10:54:29 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The only thing the World would hate more than the USA in charge is the USA NOT in charge")
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To: frankenMonkey
I borrowed your idea...

Not my idea. Obama built that...

42 posted on 10/28/2012 11:24:35 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Mr. K

“I repect Williams for coming onto a more conservatrive station and NOT changing his views to be a hypocrite and kiss up to conservatives.

I dont mind a liberal as long as they are HONEST about it, and willing to discuss it.

I keep hoping he will see the light, it seems so odd that he can’t so far, but at least we are hearing what the liberal viewpoint is (know your enemy)”

I always found President Bush’s point of view the best. He seemed to believe that various points of view allowed a more honest discussion. Nothing wrong with being a liberal, conservative, etc, as long as you have integrity and a moral compass. That is why I like Juan Williams. He was treated very poorly on NPR, and he had enough self respect to and go to FOX and handle himself an extremely classy manner. He was hired to be the liberal pinata, and does it well. It is good for us to know our enemy. MSNBC doesn’t really have conservatives come on there as a pernament member of the cast. It might be why their station stinks, and has a small following.


43 posted on 10/28/2012 12:07:00 PM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: Qbert; All
Report: Obama Watched Benghazi Attack From 'Situation Room'

Justice with Judge Jeanine 10/27/12 - CIA talks about latest news about Benghazi coverup

Judge Jeanine speaking with Charles Woods, father of Benghazi slain SEAL Ty Woods

Judge Jeanine asks White House 'How do you sleep at night'

44 posted on 10/28/2012 12:11:03 PM PDT by Larousse2 (The price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance. ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: frankenMonkey; Windflier

Geraldo had Charles Woods, father of former Seal Tyrone Woods on live, to which Geraldo was bowing his head down and shaking it in a no gesture as he just had a retired General on to give cover for Obama not being able to send the military in, to which Mr Woods was saying(paraphrased) in the interview “it is better to die the life of a hero, than live the life of a coward”


45 posted on 10/28/2012 7:17:55 PM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: Son House
Geraldo was bowing his head down and shaking it in a no gesture as he just had a retired General on to give cover for Obama not being able to send the military in...

You've just got to wonder what type of man makes a career in the military, only to come out and disgrace his brothers and sisters in arms like that. Utterly shameful - and of course, Geraldo bought every word of it. What putrid slime.

46 posted on 10/28/2012 7:32:38 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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