Will Benghazi Impact the Presidential Election? Video(Greta-The Directive Explained)

FoxNews ^ | Oct 30, 2012 | Greta Van Susteren, Bing West

[Son House]

With a week left in the White House race, more questions linger in terror attacks on US consulate in Libya

[Son House]

The guest, Bing West, Assistant Secretary of Defense in the Reagan years, explains if the minute Obama found out the directive was given to "securing our personnel" it should have been followed out immediately, and a copy of that order would also have been sent to many throughout the Chain of Command.

Mr West also says it was the State Department that sent in the 6 Americans to try to help, and that may explain Bill Clinton's anxiety for Hillary to release more documents.

[Son House]

Initial phone call to Washington(which would have been approx 9:40pm at the consulate);

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/10/198791.htm

SENIOR STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL:“...I neglected to mention from the top that that agent from the top of this incident, or the very beginning of this incident, has been on the phone. He had called the quick reaction security team, he had called the Libyan authorities, he had called the Embassy in Tripoli, and he had called Washington.”

[Son House]

Here’s the 3rd debate where Obama says when the initial phone call came, he gave an order to "secure those Americans";

TRANSCRIPT: Presidential debate on foreign policy at Lynn University
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/22/transcript-presidential-debate-on-foreign-policy-at-lynn-university/

Obama “Now with respect to Libya, as I indicated in the last debate, when we received that phone call, I immediately made sure that, number one, that we did everything we could to secure those Americans who were still in harm’s way;”

[pepsionice]

The lack of a directive.

The CIA guy painting a target from the roof, which usually means a gun-ship or armed Predator is overhead.

The deny-rescue status on three occasions...who denied?

It’s all odd questions that could be answered in thirty minutes....but we are on six weeks now. I think the more it stays out there....the less confident we are with the administration.

[Leo58]

Excellent!
He sums up the situation in one sentence:

“All the President has to do is show the execute order”.

[ducttape45]

ping for later

[dubyajam]

Does anyone find it odd that no picture appears him in the siutation Room when the Libya attacks were happening but as soon as SANDY hits the east coast, a picture of him sitting in the Situation Room “monitoring”, is plastered everywhere. Does anyone see anything wrong with this???

[Aria]

When are the Clintons going to quit pimping for a traitor???

[nuconvert]

Benghazigate has gotten little msm attention.
The hurricane shows Obama in a presidential light.
Had Sandy not happened, Benghazi may have impacted the election. I don’t think it will have much impact now.

Next March or April we’ll finally be getting to the bottom of what happened in Benghazi.

[LibLieSlayer]

I see scores of dead people... obama’s fault... I see power out and even the WCBS blog in NY is rabid with complaints about the government not “forcing the power companies to restore power quicker... or sending in the Military to do it”. Stores are being looted and ransacked... there is little or no security and people are miserable.

Having lived through hurricanes all of my life... let me assure you that the pain is just starting for these people in the NE. obama cannot do what he has promised to do... he has no power or knowledge with which to do it... this time PRIVATE ENTERPRISE will get it done. The Military... may give security and traffic control eventually... and bring in water and blankets and MRE’s... that is it.

LLS

[ShovelThemOut]

“Does anyone find it odd that no picture appears him in the siutation Room when the Libya attacks were happening but as soon as SANDY hits the east coast, a picture of him sitting in the Situation Room “monitoring”, is plastered everywhere. Does anyone see anything wrong with this???”

And how about the comment by Zero from the Sandy Situation Room :”We will leave no one behind.”

Disgusting, treasonous, murderous regime. Pray to God that someone will leak the audio of the Seal begging for reinforcement and being told to ‘stand down’ before this election takes place.

[nuconvert]

If Sandy can negatively impact Obama, GOOD.
I don’t think Benghazi is having much of an impact since the networks weren’t covering it before and are now focused on the hurricane

[butterdezillion]

Thanks for that link. Does it seem to you that they are claiming that 30 people escaped in one armored vehicle?

The description of a traffic jam that they said was customary for that time of night near the compound - how does that jive with the claims now that roadblocks had been set up?

The gate - was nobody manning the gate? They’ve got these concrete walls with razor wire and such, and yet these people were able to just come in through the gate? This picture just doesn’t add up. A bunch of people carrying containers of deisel fuel were able to just walk through the gate? Wasn’t the gate closed? Were these thugs able to shoot open the gate, or what?

[sam_paine]

I see power out and even the WCBS blog in NY is rabid with complaints about the government not “forcing the power companies to restore power quicker... or sending in the Military to do it”.

There's the root of the problem right there: a populace that demands the violence of government to be used for their personal benefit.

They aren't considering the implications of what being fed by the military means. They are concerned about the quality of the dessert packed in their MRE.

The 47% existed before Obama. More like the 47% CREATED Obama out of thin air to serve them.

This is why the braggadocio on FR about the Military will never accept an order to grab guns is flat out wrong.

A nationwide panic....a nuclear or biological (or economic) 9/11 will change everything.

Not only will low-level grunts feel it's their duty to follow dramatic orders to restore peace and save their country from chaos, but the people will cheer them on in the streets.

[wayoverontheright]

Oh, I think Benghazi will matter, because the word IS getting out.

Fox is watched by liberals. They too, understand that the vaunted leftist media hides things. Fox’s ratings exceed those of all the leftist media combined, for a reason. My brother is a staunch lib, he found out about it somehow, and I know he watches Fox and listens to Rush so that he will have a heads up on what my arguments will be when we talk politics.

At work, those of us who know about Benghazi are making it a point to bring it up around the coffee pots. Libs do opposition research just like we do. They know.

Without Fox News, the internet and talk radio are abuzz about Libya. They know.

And with some, it will be the last straw. Benghazi is a visceral issue, it is an emotional issue, and let’s not forget that it was a gay man who was left to die.

They know. And it will matter.

[9YearLurker]

NYC will be fine. The NYPD is vast and effective. And the population is Obama voters to the core.

[LibLieSlayer]

Lower Manhattan will not be fine anytime soon. Do you have any idea how long that it will take them to get the power on? Con Ed says 7 to 10 days... I'd say that is about right... subways... 5 to 8 days... much switching and electronics went under salt water and have to be repaired or replaced and every inch of track inspected... and cleanup... they will get started picking up cleanup debris on the side of the road in about 2 weeks... the election is Tuesday and obama is perceived as a messiah who can work miracles. I know hurricanes and the aftermath... Mississippi Power has trucks almost to NY as we speak. NY will be fine... with a lot of help from many Power Company cooperatives and many States and their people... just like after 9/11.

LLS

[9YearLurker]

Nobody is going to blame Obama for the time it takes to repair the subways, and few who are within range of even seeing it are going to be voting in states where Romney has a chance anyway.

NYers are a tough, resilient people. The markets are open today, and a good chunk of the transportation will be operative by next week.

Oh, and a good number of NYC first responders have gone to help with the aftermath of Katrina and other out-of-state storms too.

[I want the USA back]

Wrong question. It impacted a lot of people. 4 dead. The media is deliberately and intentionally, with full knowledge and awareness hiding the story.

[JohnBovenmyer]

If a direct order was given to a member of the uniformed military, but NOT followed, wouldn’t that member be in serious trouble under UCMJ? Wouldn’t a court martial be the expected result of noncompliance? Wouldn’t charges be expected soon after the noncompliance was discovered? Has anyone be charged? Why not?!

[Luke21]

It would if anyone knew about it, but Romney wouldn’t even bring it up in the last debate.

[Cvengr]

“forcing the power companies to restore power quicker... or sending in the Military to do it”

Unfortunately, that is the type of mentality involved here. The only problem is the military would be woefully inadequate to even attempt such an endeavor. They'd end up, at best, contracting back out to the same utilities to restore power.

When entire grids are shut down, it takes a considerable amount of system knowledge, verification, and coordination(literally and electrically) to get those systems back on line reliably without frying numerous transformers and/or single phasing motors all over the place and starting fires, while keeping the system down even longer.

I suspect the utilities performed simple load shedding to increase the grid reliability to compensate for the greater risks evolving from inclement weather. It's in their best interest to restore power as soon as practical, because the power consumption is how they make money. Meanwhile, turning it back on too hastily can cause even more costly damages and delays. There are good reasons why it takes time to restore some utilities after a major weather event.

[stanne]

“And the population is Obama voters to the core.”

And the ones who aren’t are among adversariesl. I try to not forget tham.

[stanne]

“When entire grids are shut down, it takes a considerable amount of system knowledge, verification, and coordination(literally and electrically) to get those systems back on line reliably”

These people, the tri staters, will not wring their hands waiting for FEMA to come in. BO has no role here, and, as usual, because he does not know Americans, has no Americans in his extended family and friends (he has no friends) he mis underestimates the resilience of these people.

Look at his schedule today:
Fly on AF One around noon
Ride around in the Gov’s Helo for an hour
Return to WH in time for Jeopordy and cookies

FEMA can’t tell FDNY how to handle things, those are people who have generations of expertise on how to handle all emergencies particular to their area.

Even Bloombie told him he can’t deal with the dog and pony show.

I’ll bet he can’t tolerate a second of the lecturing, “And,uh I uh I told them AAh, I want, Uh I want them to get done what needs to be ah done. And I want uh I don’t want to hear uh how you can’t do it uh I want to hear uh. . .”

Waterboard me, please.

Ayway, he has no role except to authorize funds. No reason not to think he’s working that for every stich of attention possible.

[LibLieSlayer]

I agree that NY’ers are a tough people... but you have a subset of your society that cannot survive without the government supplying almost everything for them. They are the ones that are looting and destroying businesses... oh yes... CNN and Fox have both shown the news clips. You have one of the finest Police and Fire departments in the world... and much of NY City was left undamaged... but lower Manhattan is a mess and surrounding states along the coastline suffered complete destruction... and it will take much time and tempers will flair and those that give nothing to society but are on parasites upon the body of the USA will complain loudest. Go read some comments on cbs tv New York... they are already complaining about how long it is going to take to restore services. They are also blaming Romney and globull warming and basically are a rabid bunch that will turn on obama if they feel that he has broken his promises... promises that he cannot keep before the election.

I quoted directly from the person overseeing the subway repairs (on Fox last night)... and I directly quoted Con Ed. Believe them... they know what they are talking about. They are predicting many days just to clear several feet of sand covering roads into areas completely flooded. My point is that human nature is human nature and obama will not gain from this as his promises are left unfulfilled. I hope you understand what I am trying to say and the point that is being made. It is not a negative on NY... but on people in general.

LLS

[9YearLurker]

I’m here and living it, and I’m not underestimating the damage and inconvenience. Hoboken is in rough shape completely due to the incompetence of their Democrat mayor, and they won’t blame Obama either. (And really, it’s not his fault—though most everything else going wrong in this country is.)

NYC is a big, big place and a little looting was caught on video. But as you well know it is Obama’s people in public housing and the like there, and they are not going to turn on him for anything. Sure, it’s easy to complain about Bloomberg, but as you already saw, Obama voters will find Romney or global warming or anything else to blame.

[LibLieSlayer]

I agree... I amthisclose to the power industry down here and I have been through every hurricane to hit Mississippi and Louisiana since 1965. I have lived through it many times and I know what NY will go through... in the areas affected. NJ and other states will fare worse.

LLS

[stanne]

Loud and clear.

Oh, yes, there certainly are those that are going to be demanding, in addition to those who rely on their own self sufficiency (that includes neighbors and family). Those who will squawk will do so loudly without loyalty to BO’s election paossibilities.

He’ll have misunderestimated them as well, pretending that Bush caused all of the problems in NO. He did not.

They’ll be sick of being wt cold hungry and without tv and they are going to bring their best, “I deserve this” to the mix. They’ll make th NOers look like preschooolers before naptime. The news won’t show them but they’ll be there and they won’t be praising the gov’t.

[BwanaNdege]

" ...30 people escaped in one armored vehicle?"

When someone is trying to kill you, "personal space" has little meaning when it comes to cramming into the available transportation.

I've ridden in pickup truck "matatus" in Kenya with 27 other people and seen them with 35 or so.

"They’ve got these concrete walls with razor wire and such, and yet these people were able to just come in through the gate?"

The gate is easier than getting a ladder or driving a vehicle up next to the wall, throwing several layers of carpet (or a mattress) over the razor wire concertina and crawling right over. Wire can only slow an attacker, making him an easier target. a determined attacker will find a way through wire.

"Wasn’t the gate closed? Were these thugs able to shoot open the gate, or what?"

A chain and a pickup truck could probably open the gate in 15 seconds.

[Girlene]

I'm pretty sure when obama referred to securing our personnel, he was referring to all the other embassies. This point keeps getting made that obama said he immediately ordered that the US do everything it could to secure Americans in Libya....he was referring to shoring up security at embassies, not an attempted rescue. Here's the second debate. Second debate

oBAMA:

........"So as soon as we found out that the Benghazi consulate was being overrun, I was on the phone with my national security team and I gave them three instructions.

Number one, beef up our security and procedures, not just in Libya, but at every embassy and consulate in the region.

Number two, investigate exactly what happened, regardless of where the facts lead us, to make sure folks are held accountable and it doesn’t happen again.

And number three, we are going to find out who did this and we’re going to hunt them down, because one of the things that I’ve said throughout my presidency is when folks mess with Americans, we go after them."...........

Now his statements are idiotic anyway.....as soon as the consular was being overrun, he wants to investigate who did what? Never mentions what he or anyone else did that night to help secure anyone at that time.

[LibLieSlayer]

cnn covered it last night and Fox and the right media will force the story. Benghazi is in every major newspaper Editorial page today... and the stories are not saying, “barack hussein obama... mmmmm... mmmmm... mmmmm”. You are 100% correct in your assessment my friend.

LLS

[Bratch]

And how about the comment by Zero from the Sandy Situation Room :”We will leave no one behind.”

Obama Intentionally Mocks Death Of Ambassador, SEALs In Hurricane Speech: ‘We Leave Nobody Behind’

For almost a week, the biggest criticism he faced, the talk of the nation, was that he left Stevens et al behind to die. Obviously, he was well aware of that fact. This statement was no accident. This was a ‘*EXPLETIVE DELETED*’. He’s actually trying to remind you that he left them behind. It’s his way of saying, “I’m Barack Obama, I’ll do what I want and get away with it, no matter what you say, including killing Americans. And then I’ll rub it in your face for even thinking of standing up to me. Which is what I’m doing right now. In case you didn’t get it.” Remember Ty Woods’s father describing him as a cold-fish, no-feeling guy, using terms often diagnostically ascribed to psychopaths? Well, here you go.

[Cvengr]

Actually, you bring up a good point.

ATFP requirements at such facilities require crash gates and standoff distances. These aren’t simple chain link gates.

Early reports claimed the initial assault involved an RPG fired at the main gate to breach the gate, then a guard returned fire on attackers, was neutralized, then about 20 armed attackers walked into the compound.

Perhaps the RPG targeted the armed response and others placed explosives to level the gate. Standard tactics in a dedicated coordinated preplanned attack, obstacles such as gates only delay an enemy. They are always kept under observation, with the area in front of them generally used for preplanned fires, in the event they are assaulted.

They should have delayed an unopposed attacker about 10 minutes and a well defended position probably 15-30minutes.

In company sized attacks (say 120-150 men), they are generally only supported with about 15 minutes of ammunition, so a defensive position usually has the advantage, possibly forcing the attackers to expend all their ammo before reaching their objective.

If the main gate is too fortified, attacks usually hit a perimeter wall, not the avenue of likely approach.

Why did they attack the gate? Perhaps their intel was gleaned from those who had access via the gate and at night, it made mapping the compound easier to coordinate.

Another question is where did the attackers go between attacks? How were they resupplied or were they? Other news reports indicate some 50 pickups arrived around the area throughout the night, exclusive of the rescue reaction force from Tripoli and the militia to support them.

Normally, all of these points would be considered within the chain of command, but when the AFRICOMinC was relieved, because he was performing his duty, then covered up, it’s quite likely that nobody is performing the analysis.

[Varmint Al]

Roger Hedgecock 10-29-12 H1
Here is what Roger Hedgecock heard and talked about on 10/29/2012.

It is a MP3 podcast by Roger Hedgecock. Roger gets the info from witnesses on the ground.

Here is the Time Line on Benghazi. It starts at 20 minutes into the clip. This is the info that is being suppressed in the drive-by media.

Good Hunting... from Varmint Al

[Varmint Al]

Roger Hedgecock 10-29-12 H1
Here is what Roger Hedgecock heard and talked about on 10/29/2012.

It is a MP3 podcast by Roger Hedgecock. Roger gets the info from witnesses on the ground.

Here is the Time Line on Benghazi. It starts at 20 minutes into the clip. This is the info that is being suppressed in the drive-by media.

Good Hunting... from Varmint Al

[Covenantor]

Your link to Roger Hedgecock podcast 10-29-12 is greatly appreciated.

Thanks. Passing it along.

__________________________________
From Varmint Al

Here is what Roger Hedgecock heard and talked about on 10/29/2012.

It is a MP3 podcast by Roger Hedgecock. Roger gets the info from witnesses on the ground.

Here is the Time Line on Benghazi. It starts at 20 minutes into the clip. This is the info that is being suppressed in the drive-by media.

Good Hunting... from Varmint A

http://media.blubrry.com/rogerhedgecock/www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.radioamerica.org/loudwater/rhs/000012624_000_000000011.mp3

[BwanaNdege]

Excellent info!

[Son House]

Here’s the Fox news timeline sequence of events for anyone who wants to study this. An amazing aspect of what these American Heroes encountered;

At 2:10 you see the escape vehicle(armored car) gets fired on from a ‘crowd’, 2 grenades were thrown under it, then hit with machine gun fire from 2 feet away;

Video
Timeline: Libya attack minute by minute
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1925141359001/timeline-libya-attack-minute-by-minute/?playlist_id=903226511001

[Son House]

Analysis of the second debate reference to Benghazi(Thanks CSM);

Transcript of Second Presidential Debate
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/16/transcript-second-presidential-debate/

“OBAMA: “So as soon as we found out that the Benghazi consulate was being overrun, I was on the phone with my national security team and I gave them three instructions.”

He states this in the present tense. Not when he found out what HAD happened, nope, he says when he found out what WAS happening (presently occuring.) So, he made a call to say the following:

“Number one, beef up our security and procedures, not just in Libya, but at every embassy and consulate in the region.”

This sounds like a future action that does not do anything to address the situation that WAS occuring, so “his call” was meaningless.

“Number two, investigate exactly what happened, regardless of where the facts lead us, to make sure folks are held accountable and it doesn’t happen again.”

Again, this does nothing to help our fellow Americans that were being attacked and that he “made a call” while it WAS happening.

“And number three, we are going to find out who did this and we’re going to hunt them down, because one of the things that I’ve said throughout my presidency is when folks mess with Americans, we go after them.”

Again, this does nothing to address the situation that WAS happening in real time as he made “his call.”

His response is a blatent admission that he lacked the courage or mental fortitude to address the situation in real time. That is typical of an academic that is being slapped in the face by real life!

Brave men act in the face of fear, cowards take no action because they are frozen in their inability to make a decision.

[CSM]

Aww, I feel so SmRt since I was referenced! ;-)

[piasa]

bump...

Maybe he couldn't find the doorknob to the situation room. Or he thought it was the throne room with the procelain throne.