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Court OKs warrantless use of hidden surveillance cameras
CNET ^ | |October 30, 2012 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 11/01/2012 5:53:48 AM PDT by Ratman83

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The war on drugs takes more of our privacy again.
1 posted on 11/01/2012 5:53:54 AM PDT by Ratman83
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it’s ok. if you don’t have anything to hide, you should welcome our gubmint overlords.(sarc)

it’s for the children.


2 posted on 11/01/2012 5:57:09 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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Yes the children, must save the children.


3 posted on 11/01/2012 5:58:57 AM PDT by Ratman83
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This would be a huge crime if done by a private citizen.


4 posted on 11/01/2012 5:59:10 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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Blah, what’s the difference between this and staking out, or flying over, a property in undercover vehicles - other than it being a hell of a lot cheaper.


5 posted on 11/01/2012 6:06:22 AM PDT by TheZMan (Obama is without a doubt the worst President ever elected to these United States)
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To: Ratman83

Love this site:

http://fourthamendment.com/blog/index.php?blog=1&s=mendoza&sentence=AND


6 posted on 11/01/2012 6:07:02 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Ratman83

These days the constitution is nothing more than confetti to the government.


7 posted on 11/01/2012 6:07:40 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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Because these cameras were placed on private property.
8 posted on 11/01/2012 6:09:22 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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It is always the DEA pushing this stuff. They had another case going on CA where they were putting warrantless tracking devices on a car sitting in the guy's driveway.

I can't remember the final outcome of that case. I think it probably ended when the Supreme Court ruled against warrantless tracking devices on vehicles.

9 posted on 11/01/2012 6:14:11 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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The difference being that someone has to set foot ON private property without warrant and emplace a recording device.

They can surveil all the want off the private property, but in my estimation when they set foot on without warrant it is tantamount to entering your home.


10 posted on 11/01/2012 6:14:34 AM PDT by Gaffer
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Hmmm ...

Seems to me if I find cameras situated on my property, without my permission ...

They're mine.

And I'm free to do with them as I see fit.

And I see fit to smash them with a sledgehammer ...

11 posted on 11/01/2012 6:15:41 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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Someone did that with a device placed by the FBI. The FBI went after him for theft of govt property. There was a thread here but I don’t remember all the details.


12 posted on 11/01/2012 6:23:14 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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Does this mean we can install surveillance cameras and audio recording devices in The Hairy Reed’s office to monitor for crimes against the Constitution?


13 posted on 11/01/2012 6:23:49 AM PDT by Paladin2
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Which part of “entering your property without a warrant” did you not understand?


14 posted on 11/01/2012 6:24:47 AM PDT by NVDave
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CNET has learned that U.S. District Judge William Griesbach ruled that it was reasonable for Drug Enforcement Administration agents to enter rural property without permission -- and without a warrant -- to install multiple "covert digital surveillance cameras" in hopes of uncovering evidence that 30 to 40 marijuana plants were being grown.

When do they open the gulags?

15 posted on 11/01/2012 6:26:05 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Semper Reformanda!)
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Thank you for throwing our 4th amendment in the garbage can, Drug Warriors.


16 posted on 11/01/2012 6:27:30 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (It's time to make Obama a minor footnote in the pages of history)
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“...I can’t remember the final outcome of that case. I think it probably ended when the Supreme Court ruled against warrantless tracking devices on vehicles....”

I can’t remember either, but I think in one of these cases, the guy took the thing down to a local truck stop and put it on an eastbound freightliner. Govt was totally pissed.


17 posted on 11/01/2012 6:30:10 AM PDT by lgjhn23
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To: driftdiver
Someone did that with a device placed by the FBI. The FBI went after him for theft of govt property. There was a thread here but I don’t remember all the details.

Can I just mail it back (by fourth class mail) to the US embassy in Nepal? They'll get it back in a couple of months.

18 posted on 11/01/2012 6:31:36 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Big Bird is a brood parasite: laid in our nest 43 years ago and we are still feeding him.)
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“Seems to me if I find cameras situated on my property, - - - -”

Finding them could require some very sophisticated equipment considering they are probably the size of a pencil eraser and concealed in such a manner you’d never see them, even if you were looking right at them.

The feds don’t need hidden cameras to spy on folks in our neck of the woods, we live close to the border and there is a surveillance flyover at least once a day. I should probably feel safer because of it, but the fact is I am not at all comfortable with it. This whole homeland security crap created by Bush had good intent, but in the hands of obama it can be used as a gestapo-ish tool against the citizenry.


19 posted on 11/01/2012 6:32:12 AM PDT by redfreedom
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To: TheZMan
Well if you think it is ok, then you would not have a problem with a bunch of people on your land, right. Trespassing is not a crime right. Additionally the fly over surveillance is bs also.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Nothing in there about spying. The government is way out bounds now.

20 posted on 11/01/2012 6:33:37 AM PDT by Ratman83
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