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Benghazi Gates Part 2, What happened to Ambassador Stevens?
YouTube ^ | 11/6/2012 | Dave Mellon

Posted on 11/07/2012 8:30:24 PM PST by Dave Mellon

I am still recovering from the election but I feel a deep commitment to getting the true story of what happened at Benghazi out to the public. I originally posted this article at 12:49 AM PST yesterday morning and that was a mistake. So I hope it is okay to repost it tonight at a more decent hour.

This is a draft version. It is brief, 5 min 05 seconds, because I realized after posting Part 1 (14 mins+) that it is too much to ask my fellow Freepers to watch a long video with no knowledge of who I am (a newbie). I will do a substantial update to both videos as soon as I recover from sleep deprivation (working on the videos) and acute depression/anxiety (election night loss syndrome). I know I need better scripts and a narrator with a clear voice (not me). I added some facts by typing them right on to the video stills and photos.

This video answers many questions about what happened to Ambassador Stevens from the time he was abandoned by his State Department employees at 11:20 PM and the time he was taken out of the Main Building of the American Consulate in Benghazi Libya. It also raises many new and disturbing questions as well. The worldwide news media has overwhelmingly pronounced the retrieval and transport of Ambassador Stevens to the Benghazi Medical Center as a kind hearted gesture of good will but this video cast significant doubt on that assessment. I too once believed that it was a gesture of good will until I examined the long version of the amateur video of the retrieval. That video is available as "The Retrieval of Ambassador Stevens at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi Libya" on my YouTube page. The fact that there was a splice in the video at a key point and then a "new" pulse check of the Ambassador raised doubts in my mind. I then completed a frame by frame examination of the video and was stunned at what I found. I then found a few new key photographs on the internet that led me to piece together critical aspects of what happened that night.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ambassadorstevens; benghazi; benghazigates; navyseals; safehaven; thanksfreeper; threatmatrix; threatmatrixbenghazi; wounds
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I received some very good and fair comments on the first posting of this video. One commenter asked why I did not address some facts in the text on some photos.

Below you will find the conundrum I was in when cutting the video to five minutes. This issue did not make the cut:

Although I did not say so in the video, I believe the Ambassador had been dead around 2 ½ to three hours at the time the video was recorded. This places his time of death around 10:00 PM. I base this conclusion on six things: 1) Sean Smith died during the fire shortly after the decision was made to escape to the roof and the Ambassador surely received a similar exposure to dense smoke from incomplete combustion and associated fatal levels of carbon monoxide. 2) The consistent position of the Ambassador’s left arm and fingers which appear to form an L when not held in place by the persons holding him is consistent with early rigor mortis as is 3) no apparent movement of his eyelids in any of the recovery video and photos, 4) the use of white rags by individuals holding or touching the Ambassador--they knew he was dead, 5) the ripping of the Ambassador’s T-shirt and rolling him on his side for a posed photograph to show newly identified wounds *after* “checking his pulse”, 6) the hospital morgue video shows that the Ambassador’s eye lids are in the same position as when he was recovered. I am not a conspiracy theorist and if a group of credible medical examiners look at the two videos and facts of the case and then conclude that the Ambassador was alive at the time he was recovered, I will stand corrected. At this time however, I believe that the attending physician at the Benghazi Medical Center should have recognized the Ambassador was obviously dead and not performed CPR for 45 minutes if in fact that happened.

1 posted on 11/07/2012 8:30:33 PM PST by Dave Mellon
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To: Dave Mellon

bookmark for AM


2 posted on 11/07/2012 8:34:52 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Dave Mellon
I recall that Doherty or Woods went to the Embassy but could not find Stevens'.. But then he WAS found after that by the 'locals' or terrorists? Doe anyone have any info. regarding why Stevens was not found by SEALs then found by others? Maybe because of early heavy smoke?

Is it possible Stevens was removed, then SEALs look, then put back again then removed? Removed but was determined dead then put back again then removed again?

3 posted on 11/07/2012 8:47:16 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Dave Mellon

When the bodies of Stephens and the others were being flown to the US morgue at Dover, Obama had the plane diverted to Andrews AFB for a photo op with Hillary. I wonder if he had the waiting families of the murdered Americans flown to Andrews for the media event, or if he left them waiting in Dover.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 8:47:16 PM PST by Baynative
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

I think it is pretty obvious that the Ambassador was not found anywhere along the path from the safe room or bathroom to the primary emergency egress window. This means he was somewhere else. I think I know where that place is but I am still working on putting that info in the update to this video. Trust me it will make sense and raise new doubts about the State Department’s claims on what happened.


5 posted on 11/07/2012 8:57:00 PM PST by Dave Mellon (Dave Mellon aka Ben Ghazi Gates)
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To: Baynative; miele man

What a true mark of respect Mr. Obama rendered to these brave men. (sarcasm)


6 posted on 11/07/2012 8:57:14 PM PST by miele man
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To: Dave Mellon; maggief; thouworm; penelopesire; neverdem; Travis McGee

BTTT


7 posted on 11/07/2012 8:59:27 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills and none dare call it treason)
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To: Baynative

Not sure how the family members got to Andrews but they met with the President and Secretary of State there.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 8:59:44 PM PST by Dave Mellon (Dave Mellon aka Ben Ghazi Gates)
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To: Dave Mellon

Good work!


9 posted on 11/07/2012 9:13:29 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Dave Mellon; TigersEye; Travis McGee; Jeff Head

Wow — have you all seen this?


10 posted on 11/07/2012 9:23:42 PM PST by cyn (Benghazi. That says it all.)
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To: TigersEye

It really helps to see the map of the building. The photos ... well, give a powerful idea of the horrors unfolding.


11 posted on 11/07/2012 9:26:50 PM PST by cyn (Benghazi. That says it all.)
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To: Dave Mellon
Just finished watching. You say you suspect he had been dead for 2 1/2 hrs. when this video was made.

What do you make of the 3:40 point, eyes open arms down, and the man with the phone in his mouth, then compare to

Point 3:50, it looks like they are holding his arm up,but that phone is down close to the Ambassadors mouth, as if to capture a breath or words. That phone looks to me to be held next to Stevens for a deliberate purpose.

Is that possible, or why would they be holding his arm up like that? Where can I find your other videos, please. This is most ineresting and I thank you for this info.

12 posted on 11/07/2012 9:32:44 PM PST by annieokie
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To: cyn

The map of the building is not perfect by any means; but, it is based on a large number of photographs and videos I collected from news outlets and internet searches. I then viewed them over and over again to glean new details. I also used the Google map photo and one other satellite photo. The unique shape of the building also greatly aided me in making the drawing. The news media went out of its way to avoid sharing a lot of detail but they shared enough! You can see I had to put some question marks on two windows and the room configuration could certainly be off except that there is no question that the Ambassador’s room, hallway, saferoom, and the second bedroom (primary egress room) is accurate but not to scale.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 9:38:58 PM PST by Dave Mellon (Dave Mellon aka Ben Ghazi Gates)
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To: Dave Mellon

I am awed and grateful for your work, and pray that those responsible (including in our gov’t) will be brought to justice.


14 posted on 11/07/2012 9:43:05 PM PST by cyn (Benghazi. That says it all.)
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To: cyn; Dave Mellon

Yes, the detailed floor plan and explanation do bring to life the events that went down there and reveal a lot about the security they did and did not have.


15 posted on 11/07/2012 9:43:34 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: no-to-illegals

bttt


16 posted on 11/07/2012 9:48:57 PM PST by advertising guy (" that lie has it's own sleep number " David Feherty PGA Championship 2012)
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To: annieokie

Perhaps they’re trying to prove he’s alive so they can collect their previously agreed to ‘hostage-taking’ payout.


17 posted on 11/07/2012 9:50:09 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

I hate Obama.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 9:54:03 PM PST by funfan
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

I hate Obama.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 9:54:11 PM PST by funfan
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To: annieokie
His eyelids are in the same position as the morgue video. The setting of the eye muscles occurs early in rigor mortis and the fact that they are open is not unusual at death.

The phone appears to be a flip or slide phone and is in the closed position so I don't know what to make of it other than the it is odd.

The amount of photographs being taken by these individuals was amazing and consistent with them knowing who he was. It appears that many different people handled him as part of the show. I am guessing that the Ambassador weighed somewhere between 160 and 185 lbs so he was difficult to handle and they grabbed a hold of him as best they could. The Ambassador's left arm is in the L position on several occasions in the video. The black soot around his nostrils is quite common in smoke inhalation fatalities. I have been adding videos to my YouTube Channel as I use clips from them. I will be adding more within a week or so but I am beat as I have worked on this way too much. Please be patient.

20 posted on 11/07/2012 10:02:01 PM PST by Dave Mellon (Dave Mellon aka Ben Ghazi Gates)
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To: cyn
"and pray that those responsible (including in our gov’t) will be brought to justice."

Amen!

21 posted on 11/07/2012 10:04:20 PM PST by Dave Mellon (Dave Mellon aka Ben Ghazi Gates)
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To: TigersEye
“bring to life the events that went down there and reveal a lot about the security they did and did not have.”

I think you nailed it TigersEye. If we don't “bring to life” the story of what happened to our fallen heroes no one will care. It is the humanization of this story that must happen to get the American people to care enough to demand answers. Our news media has done a great disservice to our diplomatic corps serving abroad by ignoring a story that has real human interest aspects to it. They all came so close to surviving the two attacks despite the pathetic security you point out. It really pains me.

22 posted on 11/07/2012 10:12:23 PM PST by Dave Mellon (Dave Mellon aka Ben Ghazi Gates)
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To: Dave Mellon
Thank you for what you are doing, I look forward to more and will have more questions I am sure.

Curious as to how you obtained these videos and photos, but I understand if you are not at liberty to disclose this.

Good night.

23 posted on 11/07/2012 10:13:39 PM PST by annieokie
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To: Dave Mellon
They all came close to surviving and yet all 41 came perilously close to being wiped out too. If Doherty and Woods hadn't been the kind of men they were, able and willing to put up a serious head-in-the-game kind of fight, there were plenty of jihadis with plenty of serious firepower to make it a complete massacre.

That is the human interest aspect of it to me. 0bama thought nothing of turning his back on over three dozen of his own emissaries. How much of a sociopathic monster is the POTUS?

24 posted on 11/07/2012 10:20:30 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Dave Mellon

Just occurred to me.. Did 0bama downplay this by describing it as a ‘protest over a video’ so he could cover his bad move of flying off to Vegas to campaign the following morning? In other words, if he said ‘terrorist attack’ then flying off to Vegas wouldn’t be forgiven. If he says ‘protest’ then it’s okay to fly to Vegas or afterwards it WAS okay to fly to Vegas. Perhaps NOTHING was going to stop the Vegas trip and he needed to portray that he thought it was a protest over a video to justify making that trip. Sick.


25 posted on 11/07/2012 10:30:08 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: TigersEye

Excellent points. If however the Ambassador and Sean Smith had made it to the roof, they would have all been able to pile into the armored SUV way earlier than when they finally did leave at 11:20 PM and before more bad guys arrived. The time they spent looking for the Ambassador led to their late departure. The late departure led directly to their vehicle being shot at, losing two tires, and most likely being tailed to the CIA mission annex. There is no doubt in my mind that the military assets needed to save everyone at the annex were available and the two former SEALs died waiting for help from the military that never came. I am waiting for their posthumous awards from the President . Imagine what would have happened if we lost them all or they were taken hostage? It was all so Jimmy Carterish but so much worse. At least Carter eventually tried a rescue.


26 posted on 11/07/2012 10:32:41 PM PST by Dave Mellon (Dave Mellon aka Ben Ghazi Gates)
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To: annieokie

I think the cellphone held low is just incidental to him holding that phone then using his arm to hold Stevens up. He later (or beforehand) shifts the phone to his mouth to make better use of his hand.


27 posted on 11/07/2012 10:35:54 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Unfortuantely with a complicit news media it did not much matter. He got away with it. It blows my mind that Romney was somehow made the bad guy here. He got some bad advice early on and then some more bad advice before the second and third debates. Obama should give Candy Crowley the Presidential Medal of Freedom for best save in a debate ever.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 10:37:32 PM PST by Dave Mellon (Dave Mellon aka Ben Ghazi Gates)
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To: TigersEye

And are ALL the survivors under security clearance restrictions and not able to talk?


29 posted on 11/07/2012 10:39:33 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Dave Mellon

Bookmark


30 posted on 11/07/2012 10:41:00 PM PST by nodumbblonde ("I'm all for helping the helpless, but I don't give a rat's a** about the clueless." - Dennis Miller)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Either that or threats. Look at what happened to Nakoula.


31 posted on 11/07/2012 10:41:30 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: annieokie

“Curious as to how you obtained these videos and photos, but I understand if you are not at liberty to disclose this”

No problem, I searched using Arabic.


32 posted on 11/07/2012 10:43:37 PM PST by Dave Mellon (Dave Mellon aka Ben Ghazi Gates)
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To: Dave Mellon
Imagine what would have happened if we lost them all or they were taken hostage?

Oh, yeah! 0bama owes this election and his presidency to those two SEALs he killed.

33 posted on 11/07/2012 10:44:01 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Dave Mellon
woohoo. OK, we can't let you get any sleep, get to searching, you hear? lol, just kidding.

Give us more, put us on a PING LIST, please.

34 posted on 11/07/2012 10:50:10 PM PST by annieokie
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

I have wondered that myself. My guess is that they have been told not to talk to anyone other than official investigators until told otherwise. We know from the Congressional hearings and the news media that the surveillance video is classified. Same with the drones’ video. I am not very knowledgeable about communications but I have wondered what the tower in Benghazi Gates Part 1 was for. If it is communications I have never seen one like it before. Also the gray building was not discussed in the Congressional hearing.


35 posted on 11/07/2012 10:58:30 PM PST by Dave Mellon (Dave Mellon aka Ben Ghazi Gates)
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To: annieokie

What is a pings list and how do I do that?


36 posted on 11/07/2012 10:59:51 PM PST by Dave Mellon (Dave Mellon aka Ben Ghazi Gates)
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To: Dave Mellon
There is DAMNING audio too, Hannity says. Probably desperate pleas for assistance. On a similar note, here was another thing I'm wondering:

Yikes.. Just occurred to me, when was that Secret Service agent murdered, uh urr, I mean committed suicide? Uhhh, 5 days BEFORE the election? Perhaps he knew of 0bama’s whereabouts and activities the day of the terrorist attack?

37 posted on 11/07/2012 11:01:57 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
I don't think so. From what I have read he had an affair with a foreigner and someone at the SS turned him in.
38 posted on 11/07/2012 11:08:01 PM PST by Dave Mellon (Dave Mellon aka Ben Ghazi Gates)
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To: TigersEye

That may have been the plan. Rescue before election, however.


39 posted on 11/07/2012 11:08:14 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Dave Mellon

You believe everything you hear? Like ‘protest over a video’ too? Even AFTER they knew otherwise? Catch my drift?


40 posted on 11/07/2012 11:09:05 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

If I believed everything I hear I would not be here now discussing what happened in Benghazi. All I am saying is that I have nothing else on the SS story.


41 posted on 11/07/2012 11:13:57 PM PST by Dave Mellon (Dave Mellon aka Ben Ghazi Gates)
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To: TigersEye
This?: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i0aKPIse1bbtAHD3LIdkpTfHfw7g?docId=c116e763ff084c0289aa2bd1b519032d

"Mark Bassely Youssef" How many names does this guy have?

42 posted on 11/07/2012 11:15:58 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
That may have been the plan. Rescue before election, however.

If that was the plan then he would have used it. 37 were saved by Doherty and Woods. Instead 0bama tried to cover it all up.

43 posted on 11/07/2012 11:19:52 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
Thanks for the link. Look at all the attention this guy gets compared to Benghazi.
44 posted on 11/07/2012 11:25:54 PM PST by Dave Mellon (Dave Mellon aka Ben Ghazi Gates)
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To: TigersEye

That’s where the plan went awry.. Doherty and Woods weren’t supposed to show up and use force. Were they told to ‘stand down’ before leaving the annex but went to the Embassy anyway? Stew on that for awhile.


45 posted on 11/08/2012 12:10:03 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Dave Mellon

A ping list is when you place the names of specific people who ask to be updated or notified when you post into the To: box above the post. For instance, I would like to be notified when you post and so would annieokie, so you would put MestaMachine;annieokie in the To: box and Ping in the message body. You can ask if people would like to be added and they can either freepmail you or just ask right on the thread. Make sure you keep a list of all the names so you can retrieve it and copy/paste when you need it. Separate the names with semicolons.


46 posted on 11/08/2012 3:23:39 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills and none dare call it treason)
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To: Dave Mellon

I clearly recall reading that the MD in the ER where Stevens was taken, said that Stevens was alive when arrived, and that in fact he was talking, and specifically, that his last words were, “We tried so hard for peace.”

Obviously, all of this is a lie.

Was there an autopsy conducted on Stevens and the other bodies? What happened to the other bodies (3)...

Finally, are disputing that this was a coordinated premeditated attack?

I think you’re on to soemthing. IT might take amateur sleuths like yourself to uncover the facts, that our own gov’t will not give us.


47 posted on 11/08/2012 3:54:28 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: Dave Mellon

Thanks for doing all that work, and welcome. We certainly need better information about this episode.

I think that Stevens was not the primary target of the enemy military operations in Benghazi that night, and that he probably died of smoke inhalation while locked in the “safe room”. The so-called “safe room” looks on video like it was secured by the “rape gates” that are so prevalent wherever whites live in Africa. This secures persons against physical contact assault very well, but provides no protection from projectile damage (there is no evidence Stevens was shot) or (obviously) from toxic inhalation.

The objective of the enemy forces was, I believe, to reduce the so-called “annex” (which wasn’t annexed to anything) and to gain access to whatever was in the warehouse building at that location. The attack on the so-called “consulate” (which wasn’t one) was a successful diversion to draw attention and security away from the target, which it did.

The diversionary forces were not expecting a robust defense, and got bogged down by a firefight which resulted in the fire that killed Stevens, and Smith.

In addition to the details of who moved Stevens where, and when, we really need to know what was in that “warehouse”, who took it, where they went, and why they wanted it.


48 posted on 11/08/2012 4:11:31 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: Dave Mellon

bump


49 posted on 11/08/2012 4:45:54 AM PST by gloryblaze (Don't forget to donate and keep FR going strong!)
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To: MestaMachine; Dave Mellon; annieokie
Mesta, do the nicks have to be separated with a space. When pinging I have been using a space after the semicolon. Is using a space unnecessary?

Dave, am catching up. Have not viewed information in its entirety. Add me to your ping list, if you will form a ping list, please. More later? Thank You!

annie, Thank You for bringing up a request for Dave forming a ping list. It is the little things which are sometimes forgotten on a thread. Much appreciation for your having suggested. Would have probably run off myself, and then updates (which Dave, you promised) would not come to the forefront. Thank You, annie!

50 posted on 11/08/2012 6:04:31 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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