Skip to comments.The independent states of America: Tens of thousands demand to secede from U.S.
Posted on 11/12/2012 6:17:01 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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“That’s provided the GOP (or what remains of it) runs a grass roots, bare knuckled, patriotic conservative.”
That’s a huge, huge assumption. Given the past 20 or so years of history, what makes you think they will? What part of the character of the gop leadership would actually go along with it?
The gop is a dead party walking, the 21st century equivalent of the Whigs.
The US Army does not have enough manpower and equipment to occupy one mid sized state in rebellion, let alone 20 or more. If you factor in defections it is even worse for FedGov.
It’s probably Ithacans wanting to join Canada
CWII will fall along some awfully weird lines...
All it requires is for at least one state to cross the symbolic gesture of secession for Obama to react.
thats the goal, we want him to react, we should expect him to declare some form of retribution, restriction of movement, curfews and even the importation of UN troops to secure that particular states offices.
That is our goal, to push Obama over the ledge, its enough to just make a symbolic gesture, we need a particular state, even an obscure one with basically nothing to lose.
We need someone to step forward right now.
The more we can get Obama exposed the more of America will become energized to rebel against his dictatorship.
But how would the states secede without taking their liberal strongholds — the cities — with them. Would Missouri leave St Louis and Kansas City behind???
Kentucky to Central, Tennessee, NC, SC to Texas Republic and it is a deal.
How about 10s of millions?
But the important question is how will this realignment affect the BCS football conferences?
Kind of sounds like the next big movemet? We tried to get them stop spending us into oblivion and they won’t.
So, now we sever ties?
a modest demonstration of US military might would be enough to change most petitioners minds.
I believe most of our military would not participate. If they do, they AND their families would never be able to walk freely in society again.
I believe that should Obama give any order for any branch of the Armed Forces to point guns at American citizens they will do something drastically much more patriotic.
So I say we keep up the pressure to corner obama into that decision regardless of IRS investigation threats.
Fear mongering has no place here and the IRS are NOT gods, demigods or too big or too well armed. They are humans no matter what they do and they are employees of America, WE hire them in the long run.
Your thinking is 19th century. The last thing anyone needs to do is throw down the gauntlet and provoke violence or a military confrontation. Did the left try to start a war and conquer the nation 100 years ago when our nation started trending leftward? Unfortunately no, or they would only be a footnote in history books.
But if you keep the idea out there it is the natural solution to a divided nation eventually both sides will decide it is a good idea OR we will realize we have to change course to preserve the union. At the rate we are spending the federal government is on track to destroy itself anyway. The states had better start looking forward to the day when they need to stand alone.
And the left does not look at the productivity of the right as something it needs -- that is why they are printing cash at an insane rate. They do not understand that ultimately that cash has to be backed up by productivity. That is one of the very issues that separates left from right.
What they do understand is power. They are absolutely ruthless in its application.
Not to mention all the “gay” states like CA should be pink.
Make that an “Outside of Cook County” independent state. I’m in.
I do think that people in flyover country get tired of being pushed around by a few coastal states.
Add Calif/Wash/Oregon and NorthEastStates to your equation, and the race is nearly over before it starts.
That’s a real tiny piece of the country to be pushing around the remainder. And it represents the lion’s share of entitlement spending, too.
So not only do they push us around, but we also fund their stupidity.
I think Texas would become a leader among the conservative states, and the coastal socialist portions-of-states would be barren wastelands very shortly due to lack of agriculture, manufacturing, etc.
Jefferson was right.
“I view great cities as pestilential to the morals, the health, and the liberties of man.”
The safe path to irrelevancy. The "me too" party.
Meanwhile the producers who have been voting republican woke up Wednesday morning to find that a geographically small part of the country that contributes nothing it its success now outnumber them.
We can either fix the situation or live out our lives as the productive slaves of an immoral underclass that hates us.
If anything, I would have given states 2 electors per senator instead of one. The power of the majority was not really balanced by the electoral college compromise.
And there are idiots out there who want to do away with the electoral college. Then we can just sign over everything we own to New York and California.
Please seek help.
All this isn’t necessary except as a process and to restore states sovereignty and generally the priciples of the USC. Otherwise, it would be easier just to give certain states the boot.
The opposite of seced would to for certain states to recede? from the union.
They are no longer fit to be part of the union.
Ca,Most of New Englang from NY up. Once they were given the boot the good halves of those states (minus big cespool cities) could be given statehood.
Secession is the ONLY legitimate way to begin an end to our association with the F’ing idiots who crave a socialist “benign” dictatorship. Our problem isnt the M’er F’ers in the elected offices. We could organize a mission to coordinate the assassination every single leftist POS in every single elected position and it would benefit us nothing. They would be replaced by the same or worse from the PEOPLE who have undergone years (decades) of indoctrination.
Our problem... THE problem... is the weak minded fools that allowed themselves to be sucked in to the death cult of forced collectivism.
and its only going to get worse as marxist teachers at government schools continue to pray on the weak minded among us, turning them against us and themselves.
The ballot box, as a means to right this ship is finished. In fact, this ship is finished... But its just a ship. a means of transporting a cargo. We can build another ship to safeguard the precious cargo that is now in danger of being sunk. Freedom and liberty do not have to be lost to the bottom of the ocean, we only need to have the desire, will and courage to leave the old and construct a new means of transporting them to future generations.
No one is going to do it for you. You cant go into a store and buy it. We cant pull through a drive through window and order it. You cant depend upon the military to secure it for you. and modern day politicians will never decree it for you. WE HAVE TO DO IT OURSELVES! Secession will require more from us than most are willing to give or even have. It is NOT for the weak of mind or soul and it will be HARD. We will be opposed by those whos very existence would be threatened if we remove their fangs from our veins and violence will most likely be necessary to defend ourselves and our newly restored liberty..
So... Whats your freedom and liberty worth to you? What is the the freedom and liberty of your future generations WORTH to you? To US?
my prediction... Most of you will get sucked back into the unwinable political game that is being used to give you just enough hope to keep you from more serious endeavors. Livestock are simple dumb animals that are unaware of their station in life or even their fate. Humans are a little more difficult to keep as cattle than a cow but if you tell them their is a light at the end of the tunnel and feed their mind with bull shit hope, they will remain on the farm and submit to be used as a resource.
prove me wrong...
Where did I assume anything? I only voiced a hypothetical. The GOP is obviously playing the part of the Washington Generals to the Democrats' Globetrotters.
By my estimation - we are heading to societal collapse and break up in the next 20 years. There is no way that the debt, deficit, spending obligations, can be kept going at this rate
I see the we have our own Chris Mathews right here on FR.
Expect a chastisement from the teleprompter. All I can say if it is from Texas it has to be Bush's fault.
If my thinking is 19th century, then so is yours. You are preaching to the choir.
I hope you are right. But the way our military has been weakened, infiltrated, and politicized by defectives, it worries me.
The National Guard?
Any large state the stood its ground might not have ample military forces but they would have plenty of former military along with the state police and a civilian force armed with plenty of weapons.
Fed government would be looking st a fairly capable opposition and their ability to put down a succession without totally destroying the state would well in doubt I would think.
Oh, so you're a democRATic, living in a marxist hellhole/septic tank, feeding at the public trough, participating in one of the world's worst "education" systems (actually a socialist indoctrination center) and now you have the chutzpa to compare me to Chris Matthews?
Enjoy your plight, a better use of you're overpaid time, would be to go back and "educate" your fellow RATs.
And the left does not look at the productivity of the right as something it needs...
Despite your misinterpretation of my comment, we agree on much, but I part company with the above quote.
So, we are talking about secession on this thread, and following through on this very bad idea, we must reason about corporate products and other resources in the disaffiliated states, which are produced and/or are processed there or transported through them. Try food production, for starters, and those resources arent exclusive to the breadbasket states. Try transportation and interstate commerce.
And the left meaning government, because that is what this conversation is about is taxing us up to our occipital ridges, why exactly? The right hand produces; the left hand takes.
You need to see the county-by-county 2012 electoral map.
Even in Texas I am now seeing what we refer to “technicals” in other countries. These are pickup trucks with DHS logos that cruise surface streets looking for who knows what. The only difference between this and pictures of I have seen of Somalia is I have not seen several “youths” with AK-47s and RPG launchers in the bed of the truck. Perhaps our inner cities will look like Somalia soon.
What I find interesting is that so many actually signed these petitions. Imagine how many there are like you and me who wouldn’t sign it but would consider supporting the concept. That’s likely a very large number.
I predict the response will be along the lines of, “I won.”
No, our goal is not to get Obama to react with force. We don’t want UN forces on U.S. soil. We don’t want to sacrifice one of our states as a symbolic gesture.
So if your goal is to get to Australia as your homepage states, how ‘bout you “git-to-gittin” and leave these decisions to those of us who want to stay in America?
“Obama sees the Department of Homeland Security developing into a blanket organization that will keep US residents in line”
The organiation with the Nazi-sounding name, that has the same manpower as the USMC and TWICE the budget? Homeland security must go.
Well, I guess it would depend on the governor of a respective state using administrative power to federalize the state’s guard and activate the militia. Has a governor of any state signed a secession petition?
Last year my daughter was in 10th grade and suffers from blonde moments asked me where East America was?? She said there is Nort America, Central America so where is East America...looks like she may have been predicting something here.
Leftist are like locust after they exhaust every hard earned resource of their native state (or area) before moving on to our homes to start the process over again.
They wont learn from the failure of their evil ideology and its self-destructive impact upon their own state and instead chasing us and our prosperity to the ends of the earth sneaking to steal it.
Best way to discourage influx of liberals is for the individual states to shut off all acceptance of federal welfare aid, and then to shut down any and all government welfare, assistance etc. The upper class liberals who move in are still not enough in numbers to vote in their liberal government without the huge influx of welfare dependents also voting Democrat.
Let any aid provided for the poor in states to be handled by churches and private charities as it was in times past, and let them hold recipients accountable for change. Those who are truly just lazy leeches would not be attracted to a state like that and in fact would leave and go back to “welfare friendly” states. I bet a lot of states would be willing to provide free bus fare back to liberal coastal states.
Also put in place agressive teaching of constitutional government, starting in elementary school, in every school in the state. (And where possible decontruct public school systems for independent charter and private schools, locally controlled.)
If states shut off aid, welfare folks would have no desire to move to Red states, and I don’t think there would be enough upper/middle class libs moving in to change the demographics.
LOL! Yeah, FRiend, and I don’t even believe in doomsday scenarios. Obama is the dreadful beast I’m watching, and the left are his minions. No need for pretty little fairy and kitten calendars. Make mine strictly utilitarian, with Bible quotations and the stirring words of great American patriots. Every day’s square for the next four years will have a big black ‘X’ marked through it.
Wow, she’s like the young character, “Gibson Praise” in the X-Files. Call Mulder and Scully! The “blonde moments” are simply electrochemical burp anomalies across alien/human synoptic tangles. Give her lime gatorade twice a day. Hopefully, your daughter will predict a presidential impeachment; thereby, giving hope to the armed-right “right arm”, right-on! —of America!
“I Want To Believe.”
I think that’s the point.
If obama tries to flex his muscles and bully that state into backing down, I could see a groundswell of opposition to him.
Imagine if 10 other states also rebelled and declared secession?
How far could he spread the effort to stamp it out?
Actually I live in a GOP controlled Nassau County. My party registration dates from a time when it was possible to be an active democrat and a patriot. You don’t have the slightest inkling of how I taught, and yes I am still comparing you to Mathews. You don’t like it? Tuff!! Suffa!!!
1) I don’t believe that is correct; 2) it wouldn’t be just the US Army.