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CARROLL: Give honor guard U.S. rifles
Rapid City Journal ^ | 13 nov 2012 | Frank Carroll

Posted on 11/13/2012 5:45:34 AM PST by rellimpank

Who could imagine the sound of enemy fire would signal the last rites for our honored dead? In what may be among the most ironic acts of official neglect and insensitivity of the past seven decades, the Russian SKS rifle is now used in ceremonial service by some honor guards as the last sound our Native American veterans and their families hear as veterans are laid to rest across South Dakota. It is an act of omission and ignorance.

The SKS is a Soviet semi-automatic rifle designed in 1943 by Sergei Gavrilovich Simonov. The Samozaryadnyj Karabin sistemy Simonova 1945 was semi-retired in the early 1950s, replaced with the indestructible AK-47. Both rifles continue in service today, in mostly enemy armies. Untold numbers of our soldiers have died and are dying at the hands of enemy soldiers armed with these formidable weapons.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: banglist; sks

1 posted on 11/13/2012 5:45:43 AM PST by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

blasphemy.


2 posted on 11/13/2012 5:50:11 AM PST by RC one (Akin/Mourdock-2016)
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To: RC one

Incredibly dumb.


3 posted on 11/13/2012 5:53:42 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: rellimpank

As an elderly veteran I am appalled. But I see the point as volunteers have to buy their own weapons and ammo.


4 posted on 11/13/2012 5:55:40 AM PST by OldEagle
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To: rellimpank
Both rifles continue in service today, in mostly enemy armies.

While the oversight on the part of our military is ignorant, the author shows a lack of understanding as to the power of the American gun owner. Should a new revolution arise in America, there will be countless SKS rifles on the battlefields, as they are reliable and cheap tack drivers.

5 posted on 11/13/2012 5:56:57 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rellimpank

An interesting story. I remember the American Legion and VFW providing honor guards for veterans’ funerals. They carried surplus Springfields or 1917 Enfields. Why the National Guard won’t assist now is strange.

The SKS in ceremonial use should be left to communist regimes. Or.... use SKS rifles that are captured Vietnam war trophies.

Can CMP assist with procuring Garand rifles?


6 posted on 11/13/2012 5:58:56 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: rellimpank

Not that long ago you could by Garands from the CMP for about the same price of an SKS...


7 posted on 11/13/2012 5:59:29 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: rellimpank
Gubermint give? assist? How about the tribe spends a little casino money and buys American? We have got to end this entitlement mentality.
8 posted on 11/13/2012 6:05:11 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("Our president ... makes big speeches packed full of little ideas" Charles C. W. Cooke)
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To: rarestia

Reliable and cheap, YES.
“tack drivers”? I have never seen THAT demonstrated.


9 posted on 11/13/2012 6:29:24 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: rellimpank

Of all the things to be concerned about, this is very low on my list.

It is a nice rifle, fire BY OUR MEN IN AN HONOR GUARD - it is not “enemy fire”, that is so stupid


10 posted on 11/13/2012 6:34:28 AM PST by Mr. K (We need a TEA PARTY MARCH ON GOP HEADQUARTERS!)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Mucho betterer than an AK-47.


11 posted on 11/13/2012 6:34:38 AM PST by pingman (Step right up and place yer' bets!)
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To: NonValueAdded

Contrary to what you may think not all tribes are in the casino busness. There are many extremely poor tribes across the USA. Perhaps the USA government should honor its treaties and refund all tribal trust funds that have disappeared under government guideance.


12 posted on 11/13/2012 6:48:44 AM PST by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98)
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To: rellimpank

At one time I was in charge of the 03’A1s my American Legion Post used for such proceedings. They had been on “loan” from the Army to us for decades. The paperwork and hoops the Army made us jump thru was mind numbing. Can’t fault anyone for going another route.


13 posted on 11/13/2012 6:57:44 AM PST by W.Lee ("RID THE WORLD OF THOSE SAVAGES!”)
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To: pingman

True.
The barrel whip on the AK is insane, but having 30rnd detachable mags vs the 10 round internal mag is infinitely superior.


14 posted on 11/13/2012 6:58:00 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE

Norinco made a Model, “M” that took stock AK mags. They’re about the priciest SKSs around.


15 posted on 11/13/2012 7:27:57 AM PST by pingman (Step right up and place yer' bets!)
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To: SJSAMPLE

If you leave the stock magazine in it, you’ve got 10 rounds in a relatively well-balanced rifle. With a bench rest, you could keep groups pretty tight at 100 yds.

Is that not the definition of tack driver?


16 posted on 11/13/2012 7:47:15 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: SJSAMPLE; All
Reliable and cheap, YES. “tack drivers”? I have never seen THAT demonstrated.

My experience with SKS rifles is that they have good inherent accuracy.

The major problem preventing the use of this accuracy is the standard sights, which have a relatively short sight radius and are difficult to use with precision. In addition, many scope mounts are placed on the dust cover, which has to be removed for good cleaning, allowing for shifting scope positions when reinstalled.

If you install a good scope and mount on an SKS, it has been my experience that they will hold about 3 inches or better at 100 yards, which I consider good practical accuracy.

17 posted on 11/13/2012 7:49:40 AM PST by marktwain
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To: rarestia
If you leave the stock magazine in it, you’ve got 10 rounds in a relatively well-balanced rifle.

Agreed, people get the stamped, cheaply made AK's confused with the SKS simply because they use the same ammunition. In fact the SKS is a heavy machined steel gun.

18 posted on 11/13/2012 8:03:03 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Last Dakotan

I bought a few of them several years ago (before they were lost in a tragic boating accident), and I converted one of them to the detachable mag type. I much prefer the stock SKS.

I’d rather fire 10 rounds accurately than try to “spray” 30 from a hi-cap mag. IMO, once you drop the barrel and receiver into a new stock with pistol grip, you’ve essentially made an AK. The standard stock SKS is a great distance shooter, esp. for varminting.


19 posted on 11/13/2012 8:06:55 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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“Pretty tight” and “tack drivers” are relative terms, but they imply different things.

While “pretty tight” leaves room for embellishment (and doubt), “tack driver” implies just that. While I’ve owned cases (and cases) of SKS rifles, none have grouped even close to the largest of tack heads. They’re handout rifles that work relatively well.

My Colt Tactical Carbine, with well over 10,000 rounds through it since 1998, has recently posted a .63” group with Sierra Matchkings and N140 powder. That’s one hole smaller than a dime. I’m not good enough to consistently repeat that, but it’s it’s on the edges of being a tack driver.


20 posted on 11/13/2012 8:43:47 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: pingman

I looked into converting one in the early 1990s, but the whole 922(r) thing got into the way. I’ve seen some conversions that use the tabbed/duckbilled mags, but none ran nearly as well as the AK conversions.


21 posted on 11/13/2012 8:45:23 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE

Fair enough.


22 posted on 11/13/2012 9:17:56 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rellimpank
SKS is a sweet little carbine.

I had a Chinese SKS and let it go a while back.

A stupid move that I regret.

23 posted on 11/13/2012 7:52:51 PM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: rellimpank

They should contact some manufacturers like Armalite, Rock River, Stag Arms, Springfield Armory, etc. to see if they can get some donated rifles. It would be good PR for them.


24 posted on 11/13/2012 10:22:53 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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