Skip to comments.SanFran Chronicle: If they want to secede, let 'em
Posted on 11/14/2012 1:05:46 PM PST by TheWryFederalist
It's barely been a week since President Obama's re-election, and some people can't believe, truly can't believe, that things didn't go their way.
As of Wednesday morning, 37 states had posted petitions on the White House website to secede from the United States of America. (Some not-so-brilliant citizens of Georgia and South Carolina actually have two different secession postings each, but I'm counting those knuckleheads only once.)
I'm sorry to report that this not-so-illustrious group includes California, where nearly 7,000 citizens have signed a petition quoting the Declaration of Independence and insisting on the right to set up their own government.
This is clearly part of a movement to draft all the states, and Lord knows that there are certainly enough foolish people in each and every state in the union who would be willing to put their name on anything at all. But seeing as this country did fight the most bloody war in its history over the secession of the chattel slavery-holding states, it's sad to see that those are the same states that currently boast the most popular secession petitions.
Louisiana (around 30,000 signatures). Florida (about 24,000). South Carolina (around 28,000). Alabama (nearing the 23,000 mark). And last but never least, Texas, which rates as the state most likely to secede at more than 80,000 signatures.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/If-they-want-to-secede-let-em-4035092.php#ixzz2CEQjDxxO
(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
And the lord knows?
Well the writer of the article got that part right along with a few other things.
There is no way Obama is going to give any one permission to succeed from the union any more than what England did or than Abraham Lincoln did.
Obama has spent 4 years working hard to make himself a dictator, i don,t think he would give it up on any terms, even an election that went against him.
Good point. The Civil War would be the “legal precedent” so to speak, that states can’t just decide to secede.
Cute, but who’ll bail CA’s ass out when it hits the fiscal wall, genius?
We’ll just have to nuke ‘em.
True, this is highly unlikely barring a cataclysmic event.
But like all such things, it also depends on having a seed planted out there, to make the unspoken speakable, if only to be dismissed. Many things that are absurd notions at one time have become inevitabilities. So, now, we have the notion planted. Should the time come it will be there.
As for the practicality of the option -
- If Texas goes, so will 20+ other states. These will be a viable economy by any measure.
- Unlike in 1861 the preponderance of industry will be in the seceding states.
- Unlike in 1861 there will be no likelihood of the Federal government being in a position to raise Union armies; the military class, which is huge now compared to then, would be ideologically unsympathetic to the Federal government. Its hard to believe that they would obey orders in such a crisis.
- More, even what militarily relevant industry exists in the new “Union” would be owned and operated by people unsympathetic to the “Union”.
- Federal tax revenues are not so lopsided as the author states; and in addition much of the disproportion in tax revenues is due to the nominal place that national businesses report their incomes. For instance companies make their profits in South Carolina but report it for tax purposes in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, California, etc. A new Confederacy would capture such taxes.
Good. We’re free to go then?
Mean spiritedness and false outrage are hallmarks of the left.
As long as the pot heads in CA have the hope that Obama will bail them out, all will be well. It would be great if sane states would not have to contribute to the Lost Cause on the West Coast, so secession would be a boon for those abandoning this sinking ship of state.
If enough sign, however, it would overload (cloward-piven) the goons.
That’s where I am now...
Yeah, he “won”, but it was obvious that fraud was involved, and I have accepted the fact that we’re now living in an illegitimate tyranny.
What to do about it? Haven’t decided. The revolution is you, though. Start in your own back yard and community.
Just so they understand, we will not pay alimony and child support. Looks like they’re going to have to get a job.
[i]Without being too flippant, wasn’t this decided in 1861-65, where the answer was that the side with the largest army got to make the succession rules?[/i]
Does anyone actually think the United States would send its military to attack the government of the Republic of Texas? Does anyone actually think the military would obey such an order?
The cultural unity that makes secession unlikely is the very thing that would prevent a civil war in the case of secession. No citizen of the United States is going to tolerate the bombing of Houston over abstract principles of constitutional law, and there is no galvanizing moral issue here at play like slavery.
They could be the United States of America,
and refer to the former as the United State of America.
These are not your GGGF Yankees. There is no fight in them.
LOL Puerto Rico should reconsider their vote; they may end up being the United State of America.
from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.
The unspoken fact is whole secession question seems to have arisen after 0bama stole the election. If he were removed, then would the secession movement be stopped? Also, if a state secedes, certainly 0bamascare is null and void and is the state no longer obligated for it’s share of the $16 Trillion debt?.
If we only did this simply as a way to provide our children and grandchildren with the freedom and opportunity we had as children...to be able to grow up proud of their nation, secure as they lay in their beds at night, and safe to play in their neighborhoods everyday...that alone would be more than sufficient reason to endure virtually any pain or loss.
We still have time to save those things about America that are worth saving; those things that drew generations of immigrants to risk everything for the chance to one day be called An American. Liberalism is a proven gangrenous infection on the soul, on the heart, and the country. It has destroyed our school system, destroyed our economy, and is in the process of destroying our military and our medical system. We have one of two choices: we either separate ourselves from the infection or we suffer and die along with the infected part.
Is the sucessionist expression a faint precurser of a coming Social War?
The social war is not “coming,” my friend. It’s here.
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