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Dobson: Where have GOP values gone? [GOP was AWOL on conservative values]
WorldNetDaily ^ | November 16, 2012 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 11/17/2012 12:24:28 PM PST by fwdude

The 2012 election was an open door for the GOP to lead America back to its roots in faith and morality, and the Republicans were AWOL, says Dr. James Dobson, founder of Family Talk and a brand new political outreach arm called Family Talk Action.

“I waited throughout the campaign for Mitt Romney to declare himself, to at least identify with the moral issues that are before us. He would not touch them,” Dobson said on a two-part radio program in which Penny Nance, head of Concerned Women for America, joined.

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Agree or disagree with James Dobson (I happen to completely disagree with his psychology-based "Christian counseling" - a worldly philosophy) he is right on the mark in his assessment of how the RINO Party of Stupid lost millions of values voters.
1 posted on 11/17/2012 12:24:30 PM PST by fwdude
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To: fwdude

Dear Dr. Dobson: please Google RINO.


2 posted on 11/17/2012 12:26:54 PM PST by polymuser ("We have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!" (HRC))
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To: fwdude

Last Days ping.


3 posted on 11/17/2012 12:28:58 PM PST by tflabo
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To: fwdude

dobson does not deserve the attention or respect these stupid journalists give him, he is a psychologist, first, which is about as respectable as an actor in a traveling troupe, second he prides himself on controlling his dog, by beating it, his family by physical means and is in other ways a narcissistic control freak.


4 posted on 11/17/2012 12:30:34 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: polymuser
Alan Keyes was SO one issued anti-abortion, and yet, that USED t'be a standard plank in the platform.

We all know what happened to Alan Keyes and ANYone that espouses a true and hard conservative value line.

I think we should stop using the word 'conservative' and start using the word "American"

Anyone that has read much of me knows how I love Norman Rockwell, and THAT is the America I remember .. almost to a brush stroke.

5 posted on 11/17/2012 12:32:53 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: fwdude

They were too busy trying to get the black, brown, yellow, and perverted homosexual vote. They need to get the conservatve vote more then skin color or sexual perversion vote.


6 posted on 11/17/2012 12:33:08 PM PST by DMG2FUN
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To: polymuser

http://cafephilos.wordpress.com/2009/02/28/james-dobsons-intriguingviews-on-beating-dogs-and-spanking-children/


7 posted on 11/17/2012 12:33:23 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

Um... can you elaborate on his beating his dog and physically abusing his family? I think I smell B.S.


8 posted on 11/17/2012 12:33:23 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

i posted a link right above your comment; you my fine feathered friend are wrong again


9 posted on 11/17/2012 12:34:34 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

So, are you now joining the Leftist chorus of “no-spanking” bans and liberal feel goodism?


10 posted on 11/17/2012 12:38:38 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

I am not sure the GOP has ever represented conservatives. Anyone who believes that the GOP is conservatives, is AS easily led as the Obamaphone voters.

I don’t mean to be cruel, but it is the truth.


11 posted on 11/17/2012 12:39:43 PM PST by Truth2012
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To: fwdude

I am not sure the GOP has ever represented conservatives. Anyone who believes that the GOP is conservative in nature, is AS easily led as the Obamaphone voters.

The Republicans are just as much to blame for over spending- and giving away free stuff.

I don’t mean to be cruel, but it is the truth.


12 posted on 11/17/2012 12:40:49 PM PST by Truth2012
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To: Truth2012

So, Ronald Reagan never championed the unborn? I must have missed that.


13 posted on 11/17/2012 12:41:01 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

Barf


14 posted on 11/17/2012 12:41:12 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: fwdude

wow, dim wit that was quite a leap.

No, what I was saying is that dobson has no credibility because he is a dipsh8 psychologist. I do not ascribe to his clap trap and I do not ascribe to “Dr” Spock’s either. However, I would never dream of beating a kid or a dog with a belt. I have walloped my kids on the butt occasionally, very rarely, but I wasn’t proud of it. Still, totally beside the point, DOBSON HAS NO CREDIBILITY AS A CONSERVATIVE ANYTHING


15 posted on 11/17/2012 12:42:45 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk; fwdude
DOBSON HAS NO CREDIBILITY AS A CONSERVATIVE ANYTHING

Who does?

16 posted on 11/17/2012 12:45:30 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: yldstrk

And by posting articles spouting leftist tripe, you hope to convince anyone here?


17 posted on 11/17/2012 12:46:23 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: donna

Sarah Palin, Allen West


18 posted on 11/17/2012 12:46:35 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: fwdude

This is absurd. GOP values took a hike years ago and have been MIA for at least 20 years.

IOW, since Reagan completed his second term.

And, it IS the lack of conservative values by the GOP-E that has driven many conservatives (myself included), to the Tea Party.

Frankly, the GOP has lost its way so badly that it doesn’t represent much of anything at all, these days, except Democrat-lite. I’m not a Democrat-lite and won’t support their policies or candidates so . . . . .

. . . . . if the Tea Party won’t step up, conservatives will have to look elsewhere for representation.


19 posted on 11/17/2012 12:47:15 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: DustyMoment
Until the TEA Party, or another movement of real conservatism, gains critical mass, we are stuck with working within the GOP and pushing candidates of this brand who represent us. Sorry, but that's the reality of it.

Even Tea Party candidates identify as "Republican" for now.

20 posted on 11/17/2012 12:51:17 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

:) OK. I will give you President Reagan was conservative with a backbone, however he is an anomaly in that party. The GOP has been leading us astray ever since.


21 posted on 11/17/2012 1:01:42 PM PST by Truth2012
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To: yldstrk
I've listened to Dobson on the radio for years and have read some of his writings. He has a lot of credibility with me. If you are a parent, you'd do well to take his advice. Believe me; people are less tolerant of other peoples' brats. It's sort of like George Carlin said, "Your own aren't so bad." (Of course he was talking about something else, but the same holds true.)

As to that dog story you posted... In my opinion, that dog is lucky to be alive. He showed more mercy than it deserved.

22 posted on 11/17/2012 1:06:39 PM PST by Barnacle (Is treason a high crime or misdemeanor?)
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To: Barnacle

well whoop dee doo.

No shelter puppies for you, bub


23 posted on 11/17/2012 1:12:04 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Truth2012
The GOP has been leading us astray ever since.

Not like they have the past couple of election cycles. As the article posits, they are now COMPLETELY AWOL on conservative issues that matter to millions of voters, and they don't seem to give a flip.

“We begged him to deal with eight issues. We listed first the sanctity of life, marriage, religious life, ‘Don’t Ask,’ ENDA, on it went,” Dobson said. “We said we really are not here to jump on you, but evangelicals are not excited about your candidacy, not energized. … You could connect if you’ll even mention these things.

“He nodded and he smiled and he was gracious as he always is, and he went out and was silent,” Dobson said.

Republicans in congress were at LEAST conservative enough in the 90's to see the encroaching tide of barbarism that militant homosexuals posed and were able to pass the DOMA into law, with Clinton's coerced signature (he didn't have the veto with such massive support in Congress.) And this was done well BEFORE any states had counterfeited marriage. We started losing it in the 2000's, and the newest breed of "Republican" in the current decade is now ripe and indistinguishable from Republicans even a decade ago.

24 posted on 11/17/2012 1:15:07 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

Meant to say, “indistinguishable from Democrats even a decade ago.”


25 posted on 11/17/2012 1:18:08 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: knarf
We all know what happened to Alan Keyes and ANYone that espouses a true and hard conservative value line.

Do you know that Keyes ran for the nomination for THREE different parties in 2008?

26 posted on 11/17/2012 1:20:02 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: yldstrk

I see that the article you cite refers to Dobson’s “authoritarian politics”, and then links to an article denouncing the Tea Party.

Evidently you forgot that you weren’t posting at the Daily Kos when you offered up this link to back up your case against Dobson.


27 posted on 11/17/2012 1:21:59 PM PST by Pelham (America, 1775-2012)
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To: fwdude

Romney did take a stand, he restated his agenda for homosexualizing the Boy Scout leaders, and the military.

Mitt also came out against the party’s pro-life platform, and returned to his pro-abortion position, (that was in August).


28 posted on 11/17/2012 1:23:59 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Pelham

welp one point for you

yeah I just got an article that had dobson’s dipsh8 writing sample, didn’t even look to see what the rest of the article said, probably should have, still it doesn’t make dobsons lunatic screed any less revolting


29 posted on 11/17/2012 1:25:09 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: fwdude

My first election was Bill Clinton and I voted for Ross Perot!! So, I will say in my generation the GOP has not made much sense to me. I also thought I was a Democrat, and then could not vote for Clinton because he was “crazy town”, and realized after all of that I was really a mean old conservative.

So- I will amend my statement to encompass “my generation of GOP”.

They never talked about anything conservative that I could see.


30 posted on 11/17/2012 1:31:16 PM PST by Truth2012
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To: fwdude

I gravitated to the GOP years ago because of both fiscal and social conservatism, even if they fell more than a bit short at both at times. The Republicans at least used to TALK about “balanced budget ammendments” and “family values.” Nowadays? Neither. The Party virtually runs away from both. Seems to stand for nothingness.

Indeed, when Romney responded to a query about the Chick-Fil-A buycott with “um, that’s not part of my campaign,” that spoke volumes. Not even a simple, generic applaud for the freedom of people standing up for what they believe. Along with the years-long backstabbing of Palin, and the GOP-convention’s unwillingness to even allow the words “tea party” be spoken, it was the final nail in telling me that the GOP does not remotely share my values anymore.


31 posted on 11/17/2012 1:32:12 PM PST by greene66
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To: fwdude
Republicans in congress were at LEAST conservative enough in the 90's to see the encroaching tide of barbarism that militant homosexuals posed and were able to pass the DOMA into law, with Clinton's coerced signature (he didn't have the veto with such massive support in Congress.) And this was done well BEFORE any states had counterfeited marriage.

Yep, and homosexual marriage came out of Romney's governorship.

The 1990s Mitt Romney, after he quit boycotting Reagan's republican party, and rejoined the GOP in October of 1993.

""I am more convinced than ever before that as we seek to establish full equality for Americas gay and lesbian citizens, I will provide more effective leadership than my opponent.

I am not unaware of my opponent’s considerable record in the area of civil rights, or the commitment of Massachusetts voters to the principle of equality for all Americans. For some voters it might be enough for me to simply match my opponent’s record in this area. But I believe we can and must do better. If we are to achieve the goals we share, we must make equality for gays and lesbians a mainstream concern. My opponent cannot do this. I can and will.

We have discussed a number of important issues such as the Federal Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA), which I have agreed to co-sponsor, and if possible broaden to include housing and credit, and the bill to create a federal panel to find ways to reduce gay and lesbian youth suicide, which I also support. One issue I want to clarify concerns President Clinton’s “don’t ask, don’t tell, don’t pursue” military policy. I believe that the Clinton compromise was a step in the right direction. I am also convinced that it is the first of a number of steps that will ultimately lead to gays and lesbians being able to serve openly and honestly in our nation’s military. That goal will only be reached when preventing discrimination against gays and lesbians is a mainstream concern, which is a goal we share.""

32 posted on 11/17/2012 1:33:11 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: yldstrk
No shelter puppies for you, bub

If I did get one, he would be one that my guest would not have to worry about being bitten or humped.

33 posted on 11/17/2012 1:48:54 PM PST by Barnacle (Is treason a high crime or misdemeanor?)
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To: fwdude

The morons allowing the greater of two evils to win are the only one deserving of it.


34 posted on 11/17/2012 1:53:03 PM PST by soycd
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To: yldstrk

I’m wondering if your definition of “conservatism” is limited to economics, and believe that Americans who have a Bible-based traditional world-view, home-view, child-rearing-view, marriage view —— those of us who have maintained what our Christian great grandparents, parents, and parents have taught us about right and wrong —— are somehow a threat to you or to your lifestyle ?


35 posted on 11/17/2012 2:01:06 PM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: yldstrk; fwdude

Ydstrk, I have agreed with you on many occassions, but ABC polling on corporal punishment to civilize the kids and pounding the dog with a noisy piece of newspaper....well....you lose me there. And cafephil.com sounds like a passel of latte drinking beard strokers nestled comfortably on one of the two left coasts.

Try again.


36 posted on 11/17/2012 2:01:06 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: fwdude

I disagree. If we “support” GOP candidates because that’s all there is, we are not being given a voice of our own. IOW, it becomes a form of suppression against conservatives.

I am currently working to try to get the Tea Party to raise their profile as a replacement for the GOP. If we all push them, the Tea Party may have to re-evaluate their current position and their current operations. In ‘08, there was general acknowledgement that the GOP had shifted too far to the left and abandoned the conservatives who supported them.

Despite a number of people witholding donations pending a lurch back to the right, the GOP-E has proven intransigent and is satisfied to abandon their base.

So, I don’t have to support the GOP simply because that’s what there is. I deserve better, conservatives deserve better and America deserves better.


37 posted on 11/17/2012 2:44:04 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: RitaOK

hahaha

love the portrayal of Phil. But Dobsosn says he beat the dog with a belt not a paper


38 posted on 11/17/2012 3:18:10 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: fwdude

GOP = Givernment Oppression Party..


39 posted on 11/17/2012 3:18:50 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: John Leland 1789

JOhn Leland, ok ok uncle, no my conservatism is not just limited to economics, but I have been a long time family advocate, one spouse, and guess what, you don’t need to beat your kids and dogs to be a Christian. True I don’t believe in spanking oh and guess what again, my kids are all in high school or older and they are not in prison or on drugs. They ski, drive, all have legal driver licenses, the voting ones voted Romney, they scuba dive, aren’t in sexual relationships..............all without spanking. Wow! How did I do it? Was it always sweetness and light? No. But I was a stay at home mom until my youngest was in 6th grade and then worked only part time so I could do the pick up after school, dinner at 6. I don’t drink, or galavant around at night and guess what? Somehow it all worked out.

So, no, I don’t think it is a literal rod in the Bible, oh, by the way, I pray and fast and pray scriptures for my children. I think the “rod” is a metaphor for a structured life and life is hard enough without intentionally hurting the kids.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.


40 posted on 11/17/2012 3:28:27 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: fwdude

The current GOP is finish as a Republican organization and unless reorganized will never be in power again.


41 posted on 11/17/2012 3:46:15 PM PST by Logical me
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To: DustyMoment
I didn't say to support a GOP candidate because that's all there is, I implied that you shouldn't disqualify a candidate onlybecause he runs under the GOP label. It is possible, and probably, that we may get some very conservative candidates who chose to run as Republicans.
42 posted on 11/17/2012 3:47:49 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: John Leland 1789; yldstrk

yldstrk claims to be a lawyer in his profile. That may or may not be a condemnable character flaw, but it bears watching.


43 posted on 11/17/2012 3:51:08 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: yldstrk
So, would you support the child protective services when they go to homes to harrass Christian parents who do happen to believe the Bible literally ? Would you favor seeing children removed from their parents and siblings when parents use Biblical corporeal discipline ? (Biblical corporeal discipline is not with ball-bats, pipes, or 2X4s, and it is not done in anger)

I'm trying to find out what danger we might face from "conservatives" who have no regard for the literal nature of the Scriptures, and who might think that the epitome of success in Christian child-rearing is sports and voting for the Republican candidate.

Christianity . . . BEING a Christian most certainly does entail obedience to the Scriptures in all areas of life.

44 posted on 11/17/2012 3:54:46 PM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: fwdude

her profile, yeah I am. As I said in a previous post, I deal in the flat truth. I can tell you this, being one of the few straightforward and honest ain’t easy.


45 posted on 11/17/2012 4:00:25 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: John Leland 1789

Guess what John Lelend, are you on of those quiverfull types?

ewwwwwww

Kids actually need love and patience a whole lot more than spankings. You sound like a crappy parent. Oh and no you don’t “do it in anger” you do it in cold deliberation? I don’t like you

I don’t want my kids to be afraid of me. You sound like a monster.


46 posted on 11/17/2012 4:04:55 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: fwdude

Well Romney might not have touched on those issues, but Akin and Mourdock sure did , with devastating results .
If the GOP and Tea Party don’t stop putting up candidates that blindly and idiotically march head-on right into Abortion/Rape questions, we can count on a permanent minority status .

These issues, among many others, most likely will not matter when Obama gets done stacking the SCOTUS .


47 posted on 11/17/2012 4:11:11 PM PST by Neu Pragmatist ( Focus 2014 - Hold the House - Retake the Senate !)
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To: yldstrk; John Leland 1789

Then perhaps you should let your husband administer corporal punishment, if you even have one.


48 posted on 11/17/2012 4:39:03 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

I wouldn’t trust him to

why do you morons like hurting your flesh and blood?


49 posted on 11/17/2012 4:52:48 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: fwdude

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbOtYQceBxI


50 posted on 11/17/2012 6:04:05 PM PST by patriot08 (Native Texan)
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