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Just one strategy that address's the core problems facing our nation.
Zeneta | 11-17-12 | Zeneta

Posted on 11/17/2012 6:37:33 PM PST by Zeneta

The core issues that face our nation are clearly present in the fundamentally beliefs of our people. The ones that have voted for socialism, and most don't know it or where we are headed as a result. We can point to education, yes, or how liberalism has taken over virtually every aspect of every institution, including big business, and say, "we need to stop or change this".

But how ?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: agenda21; culturaljamming; vanity
The core issues that face our nation are clearly present in the fundamentally beliefs of our people. The ones that have voted for socialism, and most don't know it or where we are headed as a result. We can point to education, yes, or how liberalism has taken over virtually every aspect of every institution, including big business, and say, "we need to stop or change this".

But how ?

We need to understand that NO ONE can be TOLD, what to think or believe. They must come to their own conclusions about matters that test their world view. As a result, it's not the message that is the problem for the conservative, but the messenger and how truth is discovered.

I will lay out just one tactic that, while it is a long term plan, it can only be done with a high degree of planning and purpose.

The overriding goal is to have people find the truth for themselves. We can only sow the seeds.

It is my belief that the only way to get people to even begin to think for themselves is to undermine or subvert the current state of or foundation for belief. I know we can do this by appealing to the a few inherent facts of human nature.

While I am certain there are some folks here that will think I'm nuts, I have broken this issue down and have concluded that in order effect the kind of shift necessary, we need to undermine the current system.

There is only one way this will work and there are a few requirements that must be adhered to.

1. No overt statements.

2. Must remain a mystery to be solved.

3. Play on the insecurities of the audience.

4. Must be highly cryptic with multiple possibilities.

5. No single message or statement can be sourced directly.

The initial idea is to place messages that meet the above criteria in heavily trafficked areas that will get a "buzz" about both the message and the messenger. I have many ideas on what should be presented.

OK, I am crazy. But here goes.

Look at this practice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_jamming

Culture jamming (name coined in 1984[1][2][3]) is a tactic used by many anti-consumerist social movements[4] to disrupt or subvert media culture and its mainstream cultural institutions, including corporate advertising. It purports to "expose the methods of domination" of mass society to foster progressive change.[5]

Culture jamming is often seen[by whom?] as a form of subvertising. Many culture jams are intended to expose apparently questionable political assumptions behind commercial culture. Common tactics include re-figuring logos, fashion statements, and product images as a means to challenge the idea of "what's cool" along with assumptions about the personal freedoms of consumption.[6]

Culture jamming sometimes entails transforming mass media to produce ironic or satirical commentary about mass media, using the original medium's communication method. Culture jamming is usually employed in opposition to a perceived appropriation of public space, or as a reaction against social conformity.

And look at the history of just one person that did this by himself.( and yes he was nuts)

He did happen to create a huge buzz of people that were all trying to figure out what he was saying.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toynbee_tiles

So the idea is to distribute highly cryptic messages that can create an underground buzz of interest to solve the mystery. (I'm talking about distributing thousands of these)

Let's face it, no party or politician is ever going to change the way people see the world. Only by stating the process of critical thought do we have a chance.

Flame away

1 posted on 11/17/2012 6:37:37 PM PST by Zeneta
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To: Zeneta

>> But how ?

We need to modify the way information is dispensed to the citizens.


2 posted on 11/17/2012 6:43:58 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Gene Eric

Yes,

Read about culture jamming.


3 posted on 11/17/2012 6:45:28 PM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: Gene Eric

Dispensing information means the citizen must be willing to SEE the information....the way it’s looking right now, it has to be embedded in some sex scene on TV or something. Otherwise the idiot class (TM) will not EVER receive it. JMHO.


4 posted on 11/17/2012 6:48:18 PM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Gene Eric
The more half-awake Americans, the unenrolled, the unregistered, the so-called independents see Agenda: Grinding America Down, the better off we'll ALL be...
5 posted on 11/17/2012 7:02:35 PM PST by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: Zeneta

Thursday, I had a three hour hash out with our local city governments and two higher ups in state water agencies. I discussed why collaborative regional “governance” over resource planning (Integrated Regional Water Planning): (1) Completely violated the Planning authority delegated by the legislature to local government; (2) Removed the checks currently on elected officials which restricts them to the regulatory relm of “public health and safety” (police powers of regulation) - replacing them with unelected, unlimited “stakeholders”; (3) Removed accountability of decisionmakers at the voting booth and possibility of recall; (4) elevated the clout of special interests over property owners and structured them in parity with elected representatives in decisionmaking and governance; and (5) violated the due process rights of property owners.

They all got an earfull and at least one of the agency people said it made sense. We will see if it changes anything.


6 posted on 11/17/2012 7:10:53 PM PST by marsh2
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To: Zeneta

Have you taken your pills?


7 posted on 11/17/2012 7:15:03 PM PST by Marcella ("When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: Zeneta

How about just telling them the truth?


8 posted on 11/17/2012 7:18:31 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Nice 'til I'm not.)
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To: Marcella

I don’t do drugs.

I found that the only way to get people to think for themselves, is to undermine or subvert their current foundations with an appeal to what is in fact their human nature.

The natural state of man is to be free.

Free to choose what is best for oneself.

Free to express oneself without the fear of gov’t.

These are just a few of the freedoms being voted away.


9 posted on 11/17/2012 7:21:49 PM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: EternalVigilance

They don’t or won’t listen to the truth.

They must discover it for themselves.


10 posted on 11/17/2012 7:23:08 PM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: Zeneta

Ok, for the 101th time, you are not addressing the core issue - the heart of the problem. You are dealing with a symptom - not the cause or origin.

Your plan is therefore worthless.

The Communists had a patient plan for the internal downfall of our nation, and have patiently implemented it for the last 60 years. No, I’m not a conspiracy nut. My mother was a typist for the FBI in WWII and told me all this when I was young. She had typed up these plans in the war. This led her and my father (who both passed in the last year and a half at 93 and 96) to be Tea Party’ers long before there was such a thing.

Primary in their plan was to gain control and dominance of all the teaching in colleges and universities. From there, they brainwash all the future educators - and journalists. The journalists then keep the world from knowing the truth, and forever enhance the brainwashing.

The newly brainwashed educators now brainwash children from kindergarden through grad school in Marxist/atheist amoral or immoral thinking.

For two generations now our educational system has been both brainwashing and dumbing down our population. And the last election was their coup.

The floodwaters of non-thinking, almost illiterate, Marxist thinking graduates of our high schools and colleges is now broken loose, as even a majority of these have liberal thinking parents.

All the conservatives efforts to “catch up” or plug the hole in the dam are in vain. As Rush said on Nov. 7th, “We are outnumbered...and losing ground.”

Until I hear a realistic plan for taking back first our educational system (not long after I emailed Rush a personal letter along the same grounds, he said “We must take back the educational system...”....have no idea if I had anything to do with that). BUT, Rush - nor anyone else - has presented a plan for doing so.

How many million new HS and college grads do we have each year? Someone do the research and tell me. The vast majority - probably over 75% - are ultra-liberals.

Until the origins of this flood is turned around - we are doomed. And it will take at least two generations to make a difference.

There is civil war in the Republican party between RINO’s and true conservatives that will, from this day forward, so divided it that it will prevent the party from ever taking a national election again - unless...

There is total national collapse where we are all back to ground zero and have to start all over again.


11 posted on 11/17/2012 7:28:33 PM PST by Arlis (.)
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To: Zeneta

Oh, I should have started with noting that your first sentence is spot on.


12 posted on 11/17/2012 7:29:41 PM PST by Arlis (.)
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To: marsh2

That was a lucid, intelligent, well thought out objection.

Overruled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD-AXgYO0lo


13 posted on 11/17/2012 7:30:19 PM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: Arlis

While I agree with you and Rush 100%, I am suggested a different approach.

Education in America was in effect undermined by the liberals back in the 60’s and 70’s. (we could go back further) I contend that short of closing all public schools, we can not take them on directly.

Therefore, I purpose an effort to undermine them is the only option. An effort that appeals to the inherent truths of human nature.

As I stated in the original post.

Nothing overt

Must remain a mystery to be solved

This will take some creativity, however it is very doable.


14 posted on 11/17/2012 7:39:41 PM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: Zeneta
They don’t or won’t listen to the truth.

They must discover it for themselves.

I don't believe in playing 'Where's Waldo' mind games with folks. Sorry.

I agree with Abe Lincoln's view of the intelligence and decency of the American people:

“I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts.”

-- Abraham Lincoln


15 posted on 11/17/2012 7:43:33 PM PST by EternalVigilance (America's creed: Our rights come from God, not men. Government exists to secure those rights.)
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To: Arlis
There is total national collapse where we are all back to ground zero and have to start all over again.

The inevitable national collapse will result in chaos and widespread violent civil unrest. The frightened sheeple will beg 0bama to save them. He will respond by declaring martial law, suspending the Constitution and ruling by fiat. The brain washed electorate will blame Bush or the Republicans or the Tea Party and never accept the fact that all this was part of the Marxists plan all along.

16 posted on 11/17/2012 7:52:41 PM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: SVTCobra03

I totally agree. It seems when you turn away from God’s revealed truth your ability to detect evil gets damaged. And our citizens can’t see the evil any longer. They just don’t see the danger. They think the things that will enslave them are the doorway to freedom. Sad. I greave for our once nation. Perhaps hard times will get people back to what’s really important.


17 posted on 11/17/2012 8:37:35 PM PST by Lake Living
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To: SVTCobra03

Sadly, this is all too likely.


18 posted on 11/17/2012 8:50:38 PM PST by Individual Rights in NJ (Let's settle somewhere new?~ I'm thinking places people call "blue".)
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To: Zeneta

I was just reading the comments on YAHOO regarding the Benghazi situation and whether it was “terrorists or extremists”....gives you an idea of what we’re dealing with.


19 posted on 11/17/2012 11:11:59 PM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: EternalVigilance; Zeneta

I think there is some merit in Zeneta’s suggestion. I do not believe brainwashed individuals are capable of what we would consider a healthy response to overt truth, especially when it comes packaged in the very form they have been systematically programmed to reject.

I remember someone using something like the culture jamming method as an evangelistic technique. It happened in Australia. Some mystery person was writing the word “eternity” in chalk on sidewalks everywhere. Like wheat circles, it created a buzz, and in those conversations, people thought about the unthinkable, their own eternal soul. It provided a way to slip around the barriers that social conditioning had raised against an important truth.

So culture jamming is a message-neutral technique. Just because the left has used it to erode the foundations of a substantially judeo-christian culture, doesn’t mean we cannot use it to communicate common sense natural law principles to a post-modern/post-Christian culture. Yes, we can win some by telling the truth confrontationally. There must be many whose critical thinking skills have survived the systematic brainwashing, or we would have no Tea Party, no conservative movement at all. But most, I dare say, have not been so fortunate, and we cannot muster the numbers we need without pulling many of them along as well.

As an example, I have a friend at work who is an Ozombie. He is a good, decent, intelligent person. Up to the election, I informed him repeatedly of thinks that should put off anyone claiming to be a Christian from voting for Obama. All those conversations were friendly and seemed productive. But he still voted for Obama. After abortion. After gay marriage. After Benghazi. Something deeper draws him to vote. Something rooted so deeply in him he cannot consciously address it. That’s where we have to reach him.

So rescuing the brainwashed is necessary, but challenging, and not sufficient to win the culture back. We must also strive to cut off the supply of these zombie voters at the source. This means we must simultaneously struggle on the education, immigration, and election integrity fronts, even if all we can do right now is slow down the decay. For example, in education, we need to keep our own children out of the brainwashing process. Home school your children. Filter their infomedia intake just as carefully as you would monitor their diet. Engage them in rigorous critical thinking from an early age. Make them zombie-proof. Deny the enemy his foot-soldiers.

And above all, teach them to look to God in faith, even when panic and fear would lead them to make bad, short-sighted decisions. Few things have caused me as much pain and doubt for the future as the capitulation to fear I witnessed here on FR, the grand bastion of conservatism that it is. Mitt Romney should never have been able to get as far as he did in a party that theoretically represents conservatism, or among the Christian demographic that makes up such a large part of that party. But to then have supposed fellow conservatives and believers in God turn on those trying to remain faithful to God? It was revolting to see, and I will not soon forget it. It is a way-marker, showing us just how far off the path we have wandered. There is but one God, and he will not indefinitely put up with us running to everyone but Him for help. We need His blessing. We have no hope of winning without it. I pray He forgives us and shows us the way back.

Peace,

SR


20 posted on 11/18/2012 1:31:31 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: SVTCobra03

True. But total collapse means the regime loses control. life is primitive, survival of the fittest, or those preseved by God as they depend solely on Him.

If the SHTF big time, even O loses control.......and the military and LEO’s will not follow him........

I hope......


21 posted on 11/18/2012 2:53:32 AM PST by Arlis (.)
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To: Zeneta
FWIW, you and Rush are in good company. The Framing generation considered education of our young in the principles of republicanism to be of utmost importance.

A major criticism of the Constitution was the absence of a Bill of Rights. Aside from its obvious protections, they viewed a BOR as sort of a text for continuing education in the foundations of our society.

The reason some societies held on to their God given rights like jealous lovers was because they were reminded of them often in schools, newspapers and public proclamations. In Great Britain, Magna Charta was read twice a year in public places, not that it would lose its validity without such confirmations, but to fix the contents of it in the minds of the people.

If neglected, we were sure to descend to the pitiful condition of man in mainland Europe, where they accepted their very existence to be at the whim of despots.

A republic cannot be maintained by a people ignorant of the traditions and ideas essential to their political happiness. We are very close to accepting the slavish condition endured by most men throughout history.

22 posted on 11/18/2012 3:26:48 AM PST by Jacquerie (Obama voters don't know what they lost; they were never taught what they had.)
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To: Arlis

If the total collapse devolves into civil war the military will fracture with some being loyal to 0bama and others loyal to the Constitution. The real danger is if an opportunistic foreign power makes a deal with 0bama to send in troops under the U.N. umbrella and allow him to remain a figurehead dictator while they make all the decisions.


23 posted on 11/18/2012 5:55:38 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Zeneta
I think your approach may be a useful prong in a multi-prong approach. I think we could put some computer power to use cataloging and sorting all the overt messages in order to determine the optimal covert message. There will have to be multiple messages at any one time and place and the reactions of the targets will have to be monitored so the messages can be adjusted.

On the flip side a conservative with real leadership skills would probably be a lot more effective.

24 posted on 11/18/2012 6:15:56 AM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: Zeneta

We should just concede the FedGov™ to the socialists. It is lost. Having said that, we need to create 50 states with Republican governors a legislatures that will wield the power of the 10th amendment up to and including the option of secession. There was a time when the state was superior to the Federal, it can happen again. It is the way the Constitution originally codified our republic.


25 posted on 11/18/2012 6:22:33 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SVTCobra03

A possibility - no one knows, and I’m sure we all will be shocked...but I think the percentage of military following O will be small......

And yes, O calling on a foreign power would be the ultimate disaster - and coup for him......but I think at that point he’d lose the masses.....


26 posted on 11/18/2012 6:26:10 AM PST by Arlis (.)
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To: Springfield Reformer

The closing portion of your post illustrates the fact that the main problem isn’t with the brain-washed “Ozombies,” as you call them. It’s with the Christians who know the truth, but refuse to walk thereby when it comes to their politics.

If they keep compromising self-evident truth and principle, there is no hope for this republic.

Conversely, if they will turn around and simply do what is right, the country will be put back aright practically overnight.


27 posted on 11/18/2012 6:56:47 AM PST by EternalVigilance (America's creed: Our rights come from God, not men. Government exists to secure those rights.)
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To: central_va
There was a time when the state was superior to the Federal, it can happen again. It is the way the Constitution originally codified our republic.

No, it didn't. The ratification of the Constitution created a system in which the general government and the state governments shared dual sovereignty. Certain characteristics of sovereignty were vested solely in the national government. All the rest of the characteristics of sovereignty were left with the states, or the people.

28 posted on 11/18/2012 7:02:02 AM PST by EternalVigilance (America's creed: Our rights come from God, not men. Government exists to secure those rights.)
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To: C210N

They are running the documentary in its entirety at the link you posted...not sure how long that will last. A must see.


29 posted on 11/18/2012 4:33:38 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: palmer; Springfield Reformer

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

First, it is of course just one part of an effort that needs to be considered.

While I’m not terribly concerned with monitoring initially, I am concerned with controlling and the staging of multiple messages. I believe the effectiveness of such a campaign could be undermined by so called “free lance” messengers.

I like Springfield’s example of what he saw in Australia. A simple statement that provokes thought and curiosity.

Here’s just one idea,(btw, I like the idea of embedding tiles in the pavement, like the Toynbee example)

Toynbee Tiles: A Mysterious Puzzle that Spans the Globe

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/02/toynbee-or-not-toynbee-tile-finders-try-to-answer-the-question/

My thought is to place them in sufficient numbers around Universities, Malls and other heavily trafficked streets.

I want people to see them and say or think:

Wow, that is really odd (random)

What does it mean ?

And

Who did this ?

Example tile: “It’s alright, They told you what to Dream”

That statement/message is a slight variation of a line from a Pink Floyd song. So, it can be sourced indirectly but the main lyric of the song is “Welcome to the Machine”

The concept here is to undermine their confidence in the system. This would be followed up by other messages which become part of a bigger puzzle to be solved.

I hope you can appreciate the importance of controlling the messages and avoiding copy cats or free lancers.


30 posted on 11/19/2012 7:18:05 PM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: EternalVigilance

I think there is a lot of truth in your statement.

I’m also certain you would agree that even within the Christian community there are widely held beliefs and they aren’t just political.

It is clear that you can’t bring someone to Christ by reading scripture and saying “because the Bible says so”.

The same holds true for someone that has a world view about politics when their foundations for that view are based on the brainwashing that has occurred. A foundation of Multiculturalism, Moral relativism and politically correct speech is one that is unlikely to be overcome short of a personal crisis.

BTW, my research of Cristian Apologetics has led me to the conclusion that individuals need to discover truth for themselves.

There is a lot more behind this concept than “Let’s play some game”.

This is about how people see themselves, the world around them and how people change their opinions or beliefs.


31 posted on 11/19/2012 7:45:59 PM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: Zeneta
I like your idea. I am very familiar with culture jamming and find it a funny and often very effective way of getting a message across.

Unfortunately I don't think it will work with conservatives. Most of the culture jamming I have seen that has been effective involves some level of illegality. Either messages are put in places without the consent of the owner or sophisticated methods are used to gain access to meetings, etc. under false pretenses so that a fake spokesperson can give a message that was not expected by the formal attendees.

Freepers are all about following the spirit and LETTER of the law. It would be hard to get them to back a movement that would require placing messages, like graffiti, on buildings or in places where permission was not granted. It would be near impossible to get Freepers to engage in trespass, etc.

Certainly you can do what some have done and purchase billboard time, etc. but that could get real costly and the mainline outdoor advertising companies may not allow you to even purchase time on signs where your message would be most effective.

32 posted on 11/20/2012 11:07:40 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Thanks for replying.

I’m not looking to start a “movement” that freepers could get behind. I am looking for feedback and someone to help create effective messages and develop a network of people that would place the massages. It is critical that messages are controlled and anonymity is maintained.

As far as legality is concerned, I’m not a fan of graffiti but placing a 12 by 12 tile that gets embedded in the asphalt I’m OK with.

I don’t consider it effective to “crash” an event under false pretenses.

The idea is to get people to think for themselves without disclosing the messenger.

Check out the article at Wired about Toynbee:

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/02/toynbee-or-not-toynbee-tile-finders-try-to-answer-the-question/


33 posted on 11/21/2012 3:02:21 PM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: Zeneta
The 'Toynbee Tiles' mystery sounds interesting. I'll look for the video on Netflix.

I recently saw a couple of other videos related to culture jamming: 'The Yes Men' and 'Exit through the Gift Shop'. I believe that the Yes Men achieved a modicum of success in advancing their goals (whether or you or I agree with those goals) by crashing corporate events. I don't know that the main characters in 'Exit through the Gift Shop' were trying to advance a coherent message, but it is a window onto what some people are willing to do to get a message out there.

The idea of creating a mystery intrigues me. I worked my way through Pynchon's 'The Crying of Lot 49' and 'V', both of which centered around major characters searching out mysteries.

I remember that back in the 70's there were people going around putting up signs/graffiti/etc. that asked "Who is John Galt?" Their efforts may very well have led people to Ayn Rand's 'Atlas Shrugged'. Their efforts may very well have increased the number of libertarians. However, we now see that however large the group of libertarians is, their influence on governmental/budgetary/monetary policy is close to nil.

Mysteries are only ever going to appeal to a rather small subset of people. Those people are more likely to be of the nerdy non-social type. This will mean that whatever truths they gain will not spread far and wide.

Still, I'll spend some time thinking about this and get back to you if I have any great ideas. If it just gets a few people to stop and think then it might be worth whatever effort is involved.

34 posted on 11/21/2012 3:52:18 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Zeneta

If you want to be on or off the Agenda 21 ping list, please notify me by Freepmail. It is a relatively low volume list in which we have been exploring the UN Agenda21 and related topics. We have collected our studies with threads, links, and discussions on the Agenda 21 thread which can be found here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2738418/posts

NEW ACTION THREAD:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2863065/posts

Post 128 of the Action Thread is a summary of the history of Agenda 21, “what they are doing”, “what to do about it” and a good bibliography for further reading.


35 posted on 11/26/2012 4:18:55 PM PST by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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