Skip to comments.How to Stop Obama in the Electoral College
Posted on 11/19/2012 6:46:18 PM PST by Rytwyng
...the electors... will meet on the Monday after the second Wednesday in December. That is when the actual re-election of the president occurs.
According to the 12th Amendment, for the Electoral College to be able to select the president, it must have a quorum of two-thirds of the states voting. If enough states refuse to participate, the Electoral College will not have a quorum... then the responsibility for selecting the president and vice president devolves to the Congress.
The House of Representatives selects the president and the Senate selects the vice president. Since the Republicans hold a majority in the House, presumably they would vote for Mitt Romney...
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
Here’s an interesting idea...
BTTT! (And thank you for putting all this information together for us!)
I see no way that your brilliant master plan could ever conceivably fail.
The way to do it.
1. Close all public schools.
2. Within the next six months, develop a pro-Constitution news media.
they are also supposed to expect eligibility documentation
FORCE him to submit the now famous birth certificate... then the games are on... as he will have committed felony forgery and attempt to pass the documents off as genuine
if we cannot get this BASIC Constitutionally required ... requirement ... then we might as well just give it up
Excellent Post! A Must Read! Thank you!
I don’t think you’ll find my handle on ANY of the threads you reference about “monday morning quarterbacking”. But your lack of interest in researching that would be of a kind with your embrace of wild and fanciful conspiracy theories.
It does nobody any good to live in a fantasy world. Maybe television has destroyed our country, people are way to easily deceived into believing fiction.
You could add up every imagined fraud thrown out by the WND nuts, the conspiracists, and people who are just too eager to find wrongdoing to actually read headers on spreadsheets, and you wouldn’t come close to the vote totals separating Romney from Obama and victory.
When did supposedly intelligent conservatives start thinking that polls of 1000 people tell you the truth? Not that it matters, because the polls told us that Romney would lose — except of course if you changed the parameters more to your liking. State polls, the only polls that matter in an electoral college election, showed even BEFORE the hurricane that Romney needed a miracle.
Sandy was the anti-miracle. Everything moved in Obama’s direction. The economy wasn’t bad enough, 4 years of media convinced a majority that it was republicans’ fault the economy wasn’t better, Romney had nothing to distinguish himself on foreign policy.
Meanwhile, the democrats have a much easier electorate to turnout, since all they needed to do was sell “rich white man wants to help his rich white buddies”, and they had a sure turnout of poor minority voters, who don’t poll but show up at the polling places.
So long as you view the world from your own perspective, you won’t understand why anybody would vote for Obama, and therefore you will be shocked, and assume it must be fraud. Hang out for a day with the “other side”, and you’ll understand why they loved Obama, why they got better turnout than you could expect, and how they won the election.
Or you can continue to live in an alternative reality where conservatives are a vast majority who only lose elections because they are too stupid to figure out that the other side is cheating. Why you want to elect those stupid people, I don’t know.
In the real world, every candidate who thinks they won will fight tooth and nail to win. That is why they are politicians. This bizarro world where politicians are all so unmotivated that they roll over and play dead in the face of obvious voter fraud doesn’t exist, and it’s sad that anybody who lives in the real world could actually believe otherwise.
Whatever you think of the chances of winning an election in 2014, I can tell you with absolute certainty that you will never win the election of 2012, no matter how many times you post to threads about how the election was stolen. You can file that fantasy away with the fantasy that the courts will save us by finding Obama “ineligible”. (how getting Joe Biden to be President is an improvement is always left unanswered).
It is especially hilarious that you are posting in support of a thread based on a fictional reading of the 12th amendment. Conservatives are supposed to know, understand, and respect the constitution. Having a supposed “news outlet” that can’t pass 5th-grade reading comprehension is hilarious, and watching Freepers who pledge allegiance to that constitution falling for it is just sad.
The Electoral College is not going to save you. Obama will be President, now and for the next 4 years. Go grieve, mourn, rant, do whatever you have to do to get wrapped around that fact. When you are ready to rejoin the adults in constructive conversation, we will still be here, because we have a country to save.
The electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;the person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, ......... end snip
What part of the underlined do the WND folks not understand? The electors meet in their respective states, vote, transmit the results to the Senate who announces the results to a joint meeting of the House/Senate.
Who in their right mind thinks the 332 elected electors of Obama won't vote for him in their state meetings on December 17, 2012? The 332 is a larger number than 270 which is what is needed for Obama to elected President....
Your suggestions, I believe, have great merit. It is clear that the public schools have done our country a disservice, in many ways.
On the other hand, your approach suffers from the fact that it is impossible.
Maybe because there's nothing to this at all. The 12th Amendment doesn't work the way this clown seems to think it does. He writes:
According to the 12th Amendment, for the Electoral College to be able to select the president, it must have a quorum of two-thirds of the states voting. If enough states refuse to participate, the Electoral College will not have a quorum.
The pertinent portion of the 12th Amendment, which this idiot is apparently misreading, provides as follows:
"The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice."
A "majority" (i.e., 332) of the "whole number of Electors appointed" (i.e., 538) on November 6, 2012 will cast their ballots for Obama on December 17, 2012. That's the end of the matter.
Sheesh. WND just gets stupider and stupider and stupider.
It’s not the pubbies in congress who need cajones....it’s the states
I fully endorse it Quorum is half plus one ?
It’s not the pubbies in congress who need cajones....it’s the states
I fully endorse it Quorum is half plus one ?
If it is impossible to close the public schools, then it WILL soon also be impossible [for the Republican Party] to, as you said, win the hearts and minds of the American electorate (if it is not impossible already). That is, unless, the Republican Party is or becomes merely a second Democrat Party.
Reason: The scales have already been tipped in the favor of the "takers," and there are not sufficient numbers of minority conservatives to go in to minority areas and re-educate the minority populace---and not enough time to do it either, before the weights on the leftist side of the scales are added to an irreparable degree. Open borders have contributed to this, and the Democrat Party knows it. The public schools will now, under a second Obama term, turn up the leftist indoctrination in the public schools, and the current high school freshmen will be of voting age in 2016, solidly trained to vote for the next Democrat candidate.
So if 18 Republican states refuse to participate, then this is a real possibility?
There are currently 29 Republicans, 20 Democrats, and 1 Independent holding the office of Governor in the United States.
Romney won 24 states on November 6th.
So if 18 states 'don't show up', or refuse to vote based on voter fraud, this could be a possible venue?
Jim, do you know if Ed Vieira is a FReeper, or just know him period? He would know if this, in reality, is a constitutional and viable possibility.
Any other comments from our legal people?
AMEN!!! But who will confront him about the BOGUS BC?? Don’t expect the ball-less congress critters to do it. They’ve had 5 years and NOT ONE of them ever questioned it....or his eligibility.
Unfortunately, this level of idiocy coming out of a supposed news outlet casts the entire Obama eligibility issue under a shadow of serious suspicion.
This is PURE BULLSHIT - the author at WND shoulda read BOTH Article, Section I of the Constitution AND the 12th Amendment. PLUS [as a BONUS] United States Code Title III, Chapter I, which governs the method of counting electoral votes.
BETTER yet, YOU shoulda read them before posting this thread.
The ONLY times quorums are required is when the vote is passed on to the House when NO candidate has a majority for President. The House then needs a quorum to select the President.
When the vote is passed on to the Senate when NO candidate has a majority for Vice-President. The Senate then needs a quorum to select the Vice-President.
So long as you view the world from your own perspective, you wont understand why anybody would vote for Obama, and therefore you will be shocked, and assume it must be fraud. Hang out for a day with the other side, and youll understand why they loved Obama, why they got better turnout than you could expect, and how they won the election.
Or you can continue to live in an alternative reality where conservatives are a vast majority who only lose elections because they are too stupid to figure out that the other side is cheating. Why you want to elect those stupid people, I dont know.
Sweet, sweet sanity. Kudos for assuming the thankless task of being the designated grownup for this thread.
“Until we demand Voter ID and return to Paper Ballots, the FRAUD will continue to expand.”
And counted in the precinct with obserbvers like it used to be 40 years ago.
sorry to say that there is another civil war coming...due to the takers and communists continuing to legally rob the wealth of the bright people.
Well, after all: they have a readership to live down to.
I don’t hear Fox News bringing this up, I thought they were supposed to be the watch-dog.
Romney, as the legitimate nominee of the Republican Party, certainly has legal standing to challenge Obama's eligibility in court.
All that is necessary is to state that serious questions have arisen concerning the legitimacy of the document submitted as Obama's Long Form Birth Certificate.
"We (the Romney Campaign) hereby challenge Obama's Constitutional eligibility to hold the Office of President of the United States and demand submission of said document for inspection by recognized forensic forgery experts."
I mean, what else can Romney lose now?
I agree, I feel very protective of my vote, no way would I ever mail it in. I watch like a hawk when my ballot gets sucked up by the ballot machine. I can’t understand people who would mail their votes in, unless they were bed ridden or over seas. If people are too lazy to get to the polls, then maybe they shouldn’t be voting in the first place.
OMG! Bookmarking the Voter Fraud link list.
We are the Warsaw Ghetto.
You are so right.
Guess many supposedly on our side never learn, just like the GOP good old boys.
There is always another election, another pres candidate, another hope .....so they think;
Never mind fighting voter fraud, they say;
Never mind fighting to remove the constitutionally ineligible usurper. It can not be done, they say;
Next time, next time, next time, next time.....
When are they going to realize that their passive attitude (letting the left get away with stealing election, allowing a usurper into the oval office without a fight, believing that next election they will miraculously win over the left’s voter fraud......) will guarantee their own defeat every time!?
You who won’t support the anti-usurper movement, the anti-fraud movement, you have no right to condemn the congress critters, because your own actions are telling them not to do a thing about voter fraud, or about the usurpation of the presidency!!!
You are so right. Well said
Art, can you find out if this is feasible?
You know, that isn’t Romney’s facebook page, it is a community page for Romney supporters, and somebody tagged Romney’s page with a blogger’s post. So don’t think Romney is falling for this insanity
One thing we need to do as conservatives is to repopulate the field. We need to become teachers, we need to become journalists. We need to get government civil service jobs.
We need to get our voices into the positions of power and positions of training and positions of reporting.
I rejected liberalism because it won’t work. It will leave people worse off, it will leave our country worse off.
In the end, even poor people don’t want to be worse off. So I do believe that, in the end, we can convince people to vote for better policies that help people be better off.
On the other hand, if we really have gotten to where half the people would rather just steal what they need, then there is no hope. Democracy cannot recover from a lawless majority. You need a revolution, which requires superior force.
We needed that to start our country, because we could not get a majority of the british to appreciate our plight, or see the advantages of supporting us.
The founding fathers were pretty smart, and theoretically our constitution would have prevented the federal government from getting strong enough where it mattered whether a majority could be swayed to take from the minority, because the power wasn’t there.
But the courts have destroyed our protection,
“Since this column was posted it has been discovered that the premise presented about the Electoral College and the Constitution is in error.”
"But the courts have destroyed our protection,"
The courts have been the tool ; but the force has been humanism, and then socialism, actually pumped into the heads of this generation and part of the past.
I am 56, and I remember socialism, Keynesianism being put into the students' brains in my high school 40 years ago---I remember it as if it were yesterday ; can remember the faces of the teachers, their names, and how they ridiculed the Constitution, the free-market system, and then God Himself, criticizing students from Christian families ---- FORTY YEARS AGO !!
It is possible that some of those very students are sitting on court benches today, ruling against the godly, the patriotic, the pro-family, the pro-work-ethic, the pro-moral. And many who are not on court benches are in the bureaucracies, writing rules and procedures against the godly, the patriotic, the pro-family, the pro-work-ethic, the pro-moral.
And those who sat under that socialist instruction, now have children and grandchildren who have and are sitting in classrooms where an even more virulent strain of godless humanism and socialism has been and is being dumped out into their minds.
What will it be like to live under court judges who are just now graduating from law school, and then those who will graduate over the next decade or two ?????
But all of this certainly didn't begin in the courts, but in the junior and senior high schools from which the current court judges graduated.
When I saw that Allen West had conceded his congressional race, the first thing that came to my mind is : Where are people like Allen West who will go into the same congressional district and teach families, individuals, churches, civic clubs, etc., the truths of economics, and more basically, teach them the source of our blessings and ability to have wealth enough to be a blessing ??
Heh. Don't expect any of the hysterics previously littering this thread to suddenly sack up, and confess their mind-boggling gullibility throughout.
Mittens' wholly predictable (and predicted) loss to Herr Zero has driven a significant number of formerly more-or-less sane Republicans full-bore, weapons-grade conspiracy theory looney tunes.
I don’t expect anything. It’s just unfortunate that those who claim to love the constitution know so little about it some times.
Back to lurking.
I’m 53. Somehow, I made it through a public school education, and a public college education, and still have respect for the constitution. I also seem smarter than most of the kids graduating today, which makes me wonder what 40 years of investment in “better education” has accomplished. (well, not wonder really).
Great idea, but WHo has the stones to implement it?
Because leftists run practically all public institutions of learning, it is almost impossible for conservatives to even make it through teachers’ college, or if they somehow managed to make it under the radar, to even teach what they know to be true. Home schooling and private schools are almost the only hope for well educated citizens. And because vast numbers cannot/will not do this, IMHO collapse of one kind or another is inevitable. I don’t like it, but I see no other way around it.
I believe you are correct.
I was hoping Romney would win, so as to buy us time to get more conservatives (aka “Constitutionalist”) people in Congress and also in State positions.
Alas, it did not happen. So IMHO it is now pedal to the metal destruction. The commie/black racist/islamic/pervert lovers are going to try their very hardest to destroy everything that is good about America, as fast as they can. And the R party is, other than a few worthy exceptions, a bunch of eunuchs or Dem fellow travelers.