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Mars Mystery: What HAS Curiosity Discovered?
Discovery.com ^
| Tue Nov 20, 2012 02:13 PM ET
| Analysis by Ian O'Neill
Posted on 11/20/2012 1:45:34 PM PST by Red Badger
Science isn't something that just happens overnight. It takes many measurements, oodles of analysis, re-testing and re-analysis before any groundbreaking announcement can be made.
So, on the surface of Mars, inside Gale Crater on a plain called Aeolis Palus, our tenacious six-wheeled Mars Science Laboratory (MSL) is doing cutting-edge laboratory work on an alien world and mission scientists are itching to announce a "historic" discovery.
"This data is gonna be one for the history books. It's looking really good," John Grotzinger, lead scientist of the MSL mission, said in an interview with NPR.
But what is he referring to and why all the secrecy?
For the past few weeks, rover Curiosity has been busily scooping dirt from a sandy ridge in a geologically interesting location called "Rocknest." Using a little scooper attached to its instrument-laden robotic arm, Curiosity has been carefully digging, shaking and dumping the fine soil grains into its Sample Analysis at Mars (SAM) and Chemistry and Mineralogy (CheMin) instruments.
Recently, NASA announced some results from SAM after analyzing samples of Mars air. Interestingly, clues as to Martian atmospheric history were uncovered. Also, mission scientists announced an apparent dearth of methane in the air -- a result that undoubtedly frustrated many hoping for the detection of the gas that may, ultimately, reveal the presence of sub-surface microbial life.
It appears that SAM has made yet another profound discovery... but mission scientists are keeping quiet for the time being.
One of the prime mission objectives is for Curiosity is to understand the past and current habitability for life on the Red Planet. Curiosity can not directly detect the presence of Mars life, but it has been kitted-out with miniature laboratories capable of not only establishing what materials soil samples contain, but also whether the Mars soil contains carbon-laden organic molecules.
Should Curiosity detect these organics, the mission will have confirmed the presence of the building blocks of life on the surface of Mars. This does not, however, preclude the genesis of life on Mars, it just means that some of the ingredients are there.
According to this NPR article, Grotzinger refers to the SAM data as being the source of the excitement. Indeed, one of the instrument's objectives is to address "carbon chemistry through a search for organic compounds, the chemical state of light elements other than carbon, and isotopic tracers of planetary change," according to the JPL mission site.
Might these data indicate the detection of organic chemistry? This would certainly be "historic" news. Also, this would back up the Viking landers' likely discovery of organics in the 1970s -- a result that could only be confirmed after Mars lander Phoenix made the groundbreaking 2008 discovery that the Martian surface is laced with perchorates.
Although the focus appears to be on organics, this is pure speculation for now. Science isn't about announcing the first result, no matter how profound, historic or earth-shattering it appears to be. As an example, the initial SAM results for Martian air analysis hinted at the presence of methane, only for that result to be proven false during follow-up tests -- air from Earth (which does contain methane) was trapped in the instrument and needed to be flushed out before pure Mars air could be properly analyzed.
NASA JPL mission scientists have, again, rightly decided that nothing needs to be announced until further work is done -- even though they've communicated their excitement for a big discovery. They are, after all, human.
So now we wait...
TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Technical; Testing
KEYWORDS: astronomy; life; mars; space
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Image: The view from Curiosity after re-commencing its drive on sol 102 of the mission after camping out at Rocknest. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech
To: SunkenCiv; KevinDavis
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posted on
11/20/2012 1:47:06 PM PST
by
Red Badger
(Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
To: Red Badger
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posted on
11/20/2012 1:49:59 PM PST
by
massgopguy
(I owe everything to George Bailey)
To: Red Badger
“Recently, NASA announced some results from SAM after analyzing samples of Mars air. Interestingly, clues as to Martian atmospheric history were uncovered. Also, mission scientists announced an apparent dearth of methane in the air — a result that undoubtedly frustrated many hoping for the detection of the gas that may, ultimately, reveal the presence of sub-surface microbial life.”
So all of the satellites orbiting Mars that detected methane were wrong???
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posted on
11/20/2012 1:50:38 PM PST
by
Jack Hydrazine
(It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
To: Red Badger
Mars Mystery: What HAS Curiosity Discovered?Mars Needs Women!
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posted on
11/20/2012 1:50:58 PM PST
by
dfwgator
To: massgopguy
I was thinking Detroit after they’ve leveled city blocks.
To: Red Badger
I’m definitely curious but I also recognize a need for a certain degree of hype.
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posted on
11/20/2012 1:52:49 PM PST
by
cripplecreek
(REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
To: Red Badger
A Twinkie left there by the Viking craft in the late 70s. Unwrapped. As fresh as the day it was baked.
But with a bite missing.
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posted on
11/20/2012 1:52:49 PM PST
by
LostInBayport
(When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
To: Red Badger
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posted on
11/20/2012 1:52:49 PM PST
by
TruthWillWin
(The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
To: Red Badger
I hope this is not a Trump-style blockbuster announcement.
“We have reason to believe that there are large areas on Mars that the sun shines on. We are trying to verify this.”
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posted on
11/20/2012 1:54:15 PM PST
by
Right Wing Assault
(Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
To: Red Badger
mission scientists are keeping quiet for the time being
until Obama Admin makes up something
To: Red Badger
What HAS Curiosity Discovered?The same as all the other probes have discovered - nothing.
When are the American people going to wake up and realize NASA =
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posted on
11/20/2012 1:54:45 PM PST
by
oh8eleven
(RVN '67-'68)
To: Red Badger
The article must’ve been written by a democrat. It has a lot of words, but doesn’t say jack!
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posted on
11/20/2012 1:55:08 PM PST
by
The Sons of Liberty
(Remember the Heroic SEALs of Benghazi and DEMAND a Full Accounting!!!!)
To: Red Badger
Don't forget that the lead scientists have exclusive access to the data for several months so they can write their papers. I suppose it's because they are being paid in NASA dollars, and they could make more elsewhere.
/johnny
To: Red Badger
They discovered that cats live on Mars, but unfortunately it ran over one....so the next days' headlines were "Curiosity Killed the Cat."
Thank you, I'll be here all week, please make sure to tip your waiters and waitresses...try the veal.
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posted on
11/20/2012 1:56:51 PM PST
by
dfwgator
To: Red Badger
Might these data indicate the detection of organic chemistry? Coprolite, and lots of it! Big piles. /s
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posted on
11/20/2012 1:57:02 PM PST
by
roadcat
To: Right Wing Assault
Actually I thought it was pretty big news that they found that radiation levels on the ground are similar to what our low earth orbiting experience.
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posted on
11/20/2012 1:57:18 PM PST
by
cripplecreek
(REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
To: Red Badger
A crack team of hackers hit the NASA servers, and found this:
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posted on
11/20/2012 1:59:11 PM PST
by
Salgak
(Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
To: dfwgator
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posted on
11/20/2012 2:01:21 PM PST
by
Red Badger
(Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
To: Salgak
They didn't say it was good news.
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posted on
11/20/2012 2:01:36 PM PST
by
cripplecreek
(REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
To: oh8eleven
When are the American people going to wake up and realize NASA... NASA is one of the very best government expenditures, and for many reasons.
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posted on
11/20/2012 2:04:47 PM PST
by
GingisK
To: oh8eleven
I'm with you! Think of all of these we could give away with that money!!
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posted on
11/20/2012 2:05:59 PM PST
by
Errant
To: Red Badger
I am relieved to see at least one mission picture without idiotic figures being photoshopped in. Gets old.
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posted on
11/20/2012 2:07:59 PM PST
by
steve86
(Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture)
To: Red Badger

It's SAND! ROCKS AND SAND!
You spent billions of dollars to photograph ROCKS AND SAND!
OOOOH! OOOOOOOOH!
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posted on
11/20/2012 2:11:09 PM PST
by
MrB
(The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
To: dfwgator
~ Well There Was One Here ~
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posted on
11/20/2012 2:11:22 PM PST
by
SkyDancer
(Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church shows up at your funeral)
To: Red Badger
They have to ask permission from Zippy so he can be ‘the one’ who really discovered it....unless it’s a bad thing.
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posted on
11/20/2012 2:16:26 PM PST
by
TribalPrincess2U
(0bama's agendaDivide and conquer. FREEDOM OR FREE STUFF- YOU GET ONE CHOICE, CHOOSE WISELY)
To: steve86
I am relieved to see at least one mission picture without idiotic figures being photoshopped in. Gets old.
Got any photos of yourself on your homepage?
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posted on
11/20/2012 2:19:06 PM PST
by
cripplecreek
(REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
To: Salgak
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posted on
11/20/2012 2:20:02 PM PST
by
F15Eagle
(1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
To: Red Badger
To hell with Mars...Twinkies are moving to Mexico. Priorities...priorities.
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posted on
11/20/2012 2:23:18 PM PST
by
Don Corleone
("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
To: dfwgator
To: LostInBayport
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posted on
11/20/2012 2:24:39 PM PST
by
donna
(Pray for revival.)
To: Red Badger
Scientists stated there is no way at all to determne the significance of the find.

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posted on
11/20/2012 2:25:24 PM PST
by
Iron Munro
(Robbing From The Hood and Boy Blunder - Our New Queen and King)
To: steve86
“I am relieved to see at least one mission picture without idiotic figures being photoshopped in.”
Why? This isn't www.nasa.com or Scientific Americans website.
Fun is good.
To: dfwgator
We have plenty of liberal women to send.
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posted on
11/20/2012 2:28:39 PM PST
by
bmwcyle
(Women reelected Obama)
To: steve86
Oh, you’re no fun anymore.
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posted on
11/20/2012 2:29:44 PM PST
by
dfwgator
To: dfwgator
I wonder how long it'll take them to discover these on Mars?


It's only tricks of light and shadows.
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posted on
11/20/2012 2:37:04 PM PST
by
Jack Hydrazine
(It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
To: Red Badger
"I'm buildin' me a rocket-ship
To go where womern's don't give no lip
I'm a-blastin' off, baby I'm Venus-bound! ~Unknown Hinson
To: dfwgator
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posted on
11/20/2012 2:37:47 PM PST
by
BenLurkin
(This is not a statement of fact. ItClimate change! is either opinion or satire; or both)
To: oh8eleven
Your intellect is sub par. we go to discover what is in our universe. If we did not explore and discover there would be no America to produce below average intellects
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posted on
11/20/2012 2:41:49 PM PST
by
bert
((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
To: Red Badger
Sand. Rocks. Wow.
Still billion$ down a rathole.
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posted on
11/20/2012 2:42:43 PM PST
by
ScottinVA
(I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
To: Red Badger
I look at it this way, WE PAID FOR THE THING, RELEASE THE DATA YOU BUNCH OF DRAMA QUEENS!
Nuff said.
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posted on
11/20/2012 2:46:30 PM PST
by
The Cajun
(Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
To: dfwgator
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posted on
11/20/2012 2:48:31 PM PST
by
kjam22
(my newest music video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VciTnYA4Bfk)
To: Red Badger
Oh, yes. We await word of germs on Mars, it will be the biggest thing ever. As we deny that a growing baby in the womb is life.
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posted on
11/20/2012 2:51:11 PM PST
by
GeronL
(http://asspos.blogspot.com)
To: steve86
I am relieved to see at least one mission picture without idiotic figures being photoshopped in. Gets old.
Yep. I was becoming suspicious of the program over the past couple of weeks. I knew they had discovered something because of the continued laboratory testing.
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posted on
11/20/2012 2:51:56 PM PST
by
PA Engineer
(Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
To: GeronL
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posted on
11/20/2012 2:53:34 PM PST
by
Red Badger
(Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
To: The Sons of Liberty
Plus, he wrote “preclude” when he meant “conclude”, and “perchoate” when he meant “perchlorate” or “percholate”.
Definitely a Dem.
To: Jack Hydrazine; Fred Nerks
Those photos are SO cool!
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posted on
11/20/2012 2:58:29 PM PST
by
Candor7
(Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
To: SkyDancer
Hey! Shrodinger’s cat. What do you know.
How’z he do that anyway?
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posted on
11/20/2012 2:58:29 PM PST
by
tet68
( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
To: dfwgator
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posted on
11/20/2012 3:02:15 PM PST
by
never4get
(We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid)
To: steerpike100
So, if they found signs of life there (e.g. soil microbes, fossils etc.) what would our reaction be? Seriously. Would we be excited that life can exist elsewhere? Would it change the way any of us think? I don’t have an answer, but am curious how this would affect people. Thoughts?
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