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Doctor disputes common acceptance of ‘brain death’
The Catholic Free Press ^ | 11.15.12 | Patricia O’Connell

Posted on 11/22/2012 8:17:35 PM PST by Coleus

Organ transplants are big business and patients are often declared “brain dead” in order to harvest their organs, neonatologist Dr. Paul A. Bryne said during a talk last Sunday at the Knights of Columbus hall. The event was sponsored by the St. John the Baptist Pro-Life League of Saint Benedict Center in Still River. Dr. Byrne, past president of the Catholic Medical Association (USA), has directed the neonatology and pediatrics departments at Charles Mercy Hospital in Oregon, Ohio. He is president of Life Guardian Foundation, a pro-life organization based in Vancouver, Washington.

He has appeared on television’s “Good Morning America” and “Cross-Fire,” opposite Dr. Jack Kevorkian, a promoter of physician-assisted suicide. The BBC interviewed him for a segment titled, “Are the Donors Really Dead?”

“Organ donation is a multi-billion dollar industry,” Dr. Byrne stated. “It’s larger than the abortion industry.” “Every organ that’s transplanted is a healthy one and every organ that is transplanted comes from a living person,” he said, adding that these are taken out of bodies with a “beating heart and circulation.”

“Every donor is killed in the process,” he stated. Although the medical profession declares patients “brain dead,” often following an accident, Dr. Byrne insisted there’s no such thing.  “Brain death was false,” he said. “Brain death was a lie from the beginning. It has always been a lie.”

“Brain death is not true death,” he continued. “Organ transplant is the reason you have to have brain death.” Dr. Byrne said this term crept into the medical profession following the world’s first heart transplant in 1968. It has since been defined and redefined and is now being replaced by another term known as cardiac death, he noted.

He said donated organs, without exception, must come from a living person. Within minutes of “true death,” which, he explained, is the cessation of circulation and respiration, the organs will begin to die.  This is why, when organs are removed from a donor, the beating heart is always taken last. “You cannot get any organs from cadavers,” he noted. “If you’re really dead, then no organs can be extracted.”

He also pointed out the differences between living and dead patients. One example is cooling the body. This slows metabolism in someone who is alive. It slows destruction in a corpse.

He said a ventilator, which pushes air into the body, can only be used on someone who’s living, as the person exhales the air. Also, if you cut the skin of someone who’s living, but declared “brain dead,” the wound will heal, something that won’t happen in a dead person. “Clearly there’s a difference,” said Dr. Byrne.

Dr. Bryne went on to describe the damage that can result when doctors perform an “apnea test,” which often sets the stage for organ donation. This is when a ventilator is removed, prematurely, for 10 minutes, to see if a person can breathe on their own. This process, which he called “suffocation,” typically results in the person’s conditioning worsening, he said.

‘No’ apnea test, he said. Recovery after being declared “brain dead” is also possible. Dr. Byrne showed a widely televised clip of Zach Dunlap, who was close to having his organs removed, following an accident in an all-terrain vehicle. As a nurse was removing his life support, Mr. Dunlap’s cousin, also a nurse, did his own reflex test by scraping a sharp knife against the bottom of Mr. Dunlap’s foot. When he showed “purposeful movement” in response, the organ harvesting was canceled. He said there are now 175 known long-term survivors of “brain death.”

The audience was warned against registering as an organ donor at the Registry of Motor Vehicles. He advised people to carry a card, or a notarized document, stating they do not wish to donate their organs.  The criteria of “brain death” remains a controversial one, even within the Vatican, according to Catholic News Service reports. The Pontifical Academy of Sciences has agreed that medically defined brain death means the person is no longer living, but, in 2005, shortly before he died, Pope John Paul II asked to reopen the debate. He has been widely quoted as saying, “vital organs which occur singly in the body can be removed only after death, that is from the body of someone who is certainly dead.”

In 2006, Pope Benedict XVI requested a conference in which 20 medical authorities presented clinical evidence on brain death. The forum was not open to reporters. Dr. Byrne’s organization, in 2009, held a “Signs of Life” conference in Rome, attended by Cardinal Sergio Sebastiani and Cardinal Francis Arinze.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: apneatest; braindeath; euthanasia; leominster; massachusetts; organdonation; organdonor; zachdunlap
Critical organ donation warnings and guidance in new pamphlet: “Do not do an Apnea test!”

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1 posted on 11/22/2012 8:17:44 PM PST by Coleus
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2 posted on 11/22/2012 8:23:50 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Coleus

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4 posted on 11/22/2012 8:31:02 PM PST by doc1019 (Islam, the religion of animals.)
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To: Coleus

-— Organ transplant is the reason you have to have brain death.” -—

Rut-Roh.

I heard Jimmy Akin mention this on Catholic Answers a few months back. I had to ask myself if I trusted a medical community that maims (vasectomy, Botox, sex change) and kills patients (abortion, euthanasia), as a matter of policy.

I don’t.


5 posted on 11/22/2012 8:31:35 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Coleus

“Brain death is not true death,” he continued.


So nobody ever dies. Ever.


6 posted on 11/22/2012 8:32:30 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: Coleus
Every organ that’s transplanted is a healthy one and every organ that is transplanted comes from a living person”

I will never sign a donor card.   It upsets my wife every time I tell someone that I want to be kept alive by any effort necessary no matter what Doctors may say about my condition.

I refuse to believe that some hyper-educated person professing to be certain of the full essence and spirit of the human mind and heart, can truly comprehend anything from looking at some trace on an oscilloscope.

7 posted on 11/22/2012 8:37:34 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: chessplayer

You need to look a little harder at the definition of ‘brain death’. Sure, people die.


8 posted on 11/22/2012 8:45:01 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Coleus

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9 posted on 11/22/2012 8:47:48 PM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: Coleus

I have no particular knowledge of the brain but I know it controls all the main body functions. Since these people keep breathing, have their blood circulate, then the brain can’t be totally dead.

I once visited a funeral home in Norfolk, VA. We were just talking and I asked if he had ever had a body come back to life. He sort of nonchalantly told me they had one last week.

They called an ambulance and the guy did die for good a few days later. That kind of thing does make one think.


10 posted on 11/22/2012 8:56:14 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: higgmeister
I will never sign a donor card. It upsets my wife every time I tell someone that I want to be kept alive by any effort necessary no matter what Doctors may say about my condition. I refuse to believe that some hyper-educated person professing to be certain of the full essence and spirit of the human mind and heart, can truly comprehend anything from looking at some trace on an oscilloscope

you have an unusual fear of the inevitable!!

11 posted on 11/22/2012 8:59:54 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Coleus

Thanks, Coleus!


12 posted on 11/22/2012 9:14:47 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Coleus

Bookmark


13 posted on 11/22/2012 9:39:32 PM PST by southland (TEA party will lead us)
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To: chessplayer

I once heard that permanent heartbeat cessation is the universal cause of death.


14 posted on 11/22/2012 10:37:59 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: terycarl
you have an unusual fear of the inevitable!!

No fear. I just don't want to miss anything down here. I love life and don't want any snuff doctor to bamboozle it from me before I decide to give up the ghost.

15 posted on 11/23/2012 12:04:24 AM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: Big Giant Air Head; Mr. Impatient

This is important, please read it. I can’t recall if we’ve discussed this in the past.


16 posted on 11/23/2012 3:39:27 AM PST by Marie Antoinette (:)
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To: Coleus
Within minutes of “true death,” which, he explained, is the cessation of circulation and respiration, the organs will begin to die.

Herein lies the problem. Is the question of how one defines death a theological problem or a scientific one?

From a theological (or perhaps more appropriately spiritual-anthropological) viewpoint, the moment of death is when the soul leaves the body. However, this moment is not readily visible from our standpoint.

According to Dr. Byrnes statement, no person whose circulation or respiration was being artificially supported would be dead.

Everything that has been described to determine when someone has died is a "test". And no test has perfect sensitivity or specificity. So to argue, as he does, that the tests are imperfect adds nothing to the discussion. Of course, they are imperfect, all tests are.

There is a great good to be achieved in transplantation for those with failing organs and those who donate perform a great act of charity. To argue that transplantation should never be done because the tests for death are imperfect is an untenable argument.

In the real world situation, the decision to be made is which patients who are being artificially supported have no chance of any further recovery. The brain death criteria were developed for this reason.

Inevitably, when you hear these stories about people recovering from "brain death", the problem has not been the brain death criteria but failure to perform all the tests that establish the criteria properly. Do NOT assume that if an article reports someone to have been brain dead, that properly performed tests resulted in that determination.

Finally, for Catholics, it should be noted that the Vatican accepts properly performed tests for brain death as determinative of death. It's not that the Vatican lays claim to a supernatural understanding of when some one dies. Rather, it is a humble statement of acceptance of the state of the art. In other words, the Church defines death as the moment when the soul departs the body but relies on medicine situated in the real world to determine the proper tests for that. The corollary to this position is that, if science advances to more clearly define a better test, then that test will be considered in brain death's stead.

17 posted on 11/23/2012 7:26:34 AM PST by johniegrad
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To: All; Coleus

We need to get this information out to as many as possible, including possibly a letter to the editor.

If any of our loved ones are declared brain dead, at the very least, we should get our own neurologist.


18 posted on 11/23/2012 9:05:29 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: All

More info:

http://www.chninternational.com/understanding_brain_death_criteria_byrne.html


19 posted on 11/23/2012 9:15:13 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Coleus

Thanks for the ping.


20 posted on 11/25/2012 9:58:09 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: Sun

Thanks for the link. It’s quite a read.


21 posted on 11/25/2012 9:59:34 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: Sun; MestaMachine; KC_Lion; Godzilla; Domestic Church; dragonblustar; Oorang; jersey117; ...

“Organ donation is a multi-billion dollar industry,” Dr. Byrne stated. “It’s larger than the abortion industry.”

“Every organ that’s transplanted is a healthy one and every organ that is transplanted comes from a living person,” he said, adding that these are taken out of bodies with a “beating heart and circulation.”

“Every donor is killed in the process,” he stated. Although the medical profession declares patients “brain dead,” often following an accident, Dr. Byrne insisted there’s no such thing. “Brain death was false,” he said. “Brain death was a lie from the beginning. It has always been a lie.”

“Brain death is not true death,” he continued. “Organ transplant is the reason you have to have brain death.”

Dr. Byrne said this term crept into the medical profession following the world’s first heart transplant in 1968. It has since been defined and redefined and is now being replaced by another term known as cardiac death, he noted.

He said donated organs, without exception, must come from a living person. Within minutes of “true death,” which, he explained, is the cessation of circulation and respiration, the organs will begin to die.

This is why, when organs are removed from a donor, the beating heart is always taken last. “You cannot get any organs from cadavers,” he noted. “If you’re really dead, then no organs can be extracted.”


22 posted on 11/26/2012 7:55:29 AM PST by LucyT
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To: Coleus
Organ donation is a multi-billion dollar industry

As with everything, follow the money.

23 posted on 11/26/2012 11:34:06 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: LucyT

In China they put death row prisioners in an organ donar program. They test them and classify them like lab rats. When their organs are needed, they take their organs before murdering them. Humanists would love the “logic” of that machine.


24 posted on 11/26/2012 6:36:28 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: neverdem

You are welcome. I wish conservative radio hosts would cover this, as we know LMSM will not.


25 posted on 11/26/2012 9:57:37 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: LucyT

‘This is why, when organs are removed from a donor, the beating heart is always taken last. “You cannot get any organs from cadavers,” he noted. “If you’re really dead, then no organs can be extracted.”’

I wonder what it would take to really investigate/expose this.


26 posted on 11/26/2012 10:03:27 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: All; Coleus; LucyT

“19-Year-Old Recovers as Doctors Start to Harvest Her Organs
The world of organ donation in Denmark is in turmoil. A documentary was aired earlier this month which showed family members reacting in anguish to the news that their 19-year-old daughter was brain dead after a car accident, agreeing to donate her organs and allowing doctors to turn off her respirator. About 1.7 million viewers tuned in to the heart-rending drama.

But Carina Melchior did not die after her respirator was removed. She is now undergoing rehabilitation and may make a full recovery. About 500 people immediately removed their names from Denmark’s organ donor register.”

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/11/20/19-year-old-recovers-as-doctors-start-to-harvest-her-organs/


27 posted on 12/01/2012 10:03:32 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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