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Now sick babies go on death pathway: Doctor's haunting testimony
Dailymail ^ | Wednesday November 28, 2012

Posted on 11/28/2012 8:41:11 PM PST by Bigtigermike

Full Title: Now sick babies go on death pathway: Doctor's haunting testimony reveals how children are put on end-of-life plan

Sick children are being discharged from NHS hospitals to die at home or in hospices on controversial ‘death pathways’.Until now, end of life regime the Liverpool Care Pathway was thought to have involved only elderly and terminally-ill adults.

But the Mail can reveal the practice of withdrawing food and fluid by tube is being used on young patients as well as severely disabled newborn babies.

One doctor has admitted starving and dehydrating ten babies to death in the neonatal unit of one hospital alone.

Writing in a leading medical journal, the physician revealed the process can take an average of ten days during which a baby becomes ‘smaller and shrunken’.

The investigation, which will include child patients, will look at whether cash payments to hospitals to hit death pathway targets have influenced doctors’ decisions.

Medical critics of the LCP insist it is impossible to say when a patient will die and as a result the LCP death becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. They say it is a form of euthanasia, used to clear hospital beds and save the NHS money.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: aktiont4; lifeunworthyoflife; obama; prolife; uk; universalhealthcare; uselesseaters
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U.K. National HealthCare soon to come here. Got to save money, forget compassion or anything about life
1 posted on 11/28/2012 8:41:22 PM PST by Bigtigermike
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To: Bigtigermike

Apparently they already kill over 100-130,000 old people a year by denial of care.


2 posted on 11/28/2012 8:47:32 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Bigtigermike

I’ve read the entire AVMA manual on euthanizing animals. Inhumane methods of euthanization are not authorized; the goal is for the animal to die without suffering.

Apparently, it doesn’t matter if human beings suffer.

What kind of society is it that has more concern for animals than for humans?


3 posted on 11/28/2012 8:51:13 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Bigtigermike

That is just plain evil. There’s no other way to describe it.


4 posted on 11/28/2012 8:54:11 PM PST by Purrcival (Four more years of OBAMA??????????? I hope this country can survive.)
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To: exDemMom

All hail Moloch!


5 posted on 11/28/2012 8:54:40 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Global Warming is a religion, and I don't want to be taxed to pay for a faith that is not mine.)
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To: Bigtigermike

I’m trying to think of something funny to say but this is too disturbing.


6 posted on 11/28/2012 8:57:46 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: exDemMom

Libs would be glad to murder the babies with an injection and forego the starvation road to death. As long as they gett to expand their hunting grounds to murder more innocent people, they are happy. They are murdering the eldery and handicapped in England without consequence, too.

We need to have some people step forward and make these doctors and nurses afraid to play this eugenics Nazi game on the the public they are supposed to care for - not murder. If there is no justice in the government, it has to be street justice that stops them. They have no conscience like normal people. They are like predatory animals.


7 posted on 11/28/2012 8:58:09 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Bigtigermike

Coming to an America near you soon.

Can anybody cue a pic of Sebelius as the grim reaper?


8 posted on 11/28/2012 9:10:07 PM PST by NeverForgetBataan (I am become Barry... destroyer of wealth)
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To: Bigtigermike
"Now sick babies go on death pathway:...

....... "Now sick (Insert extreme health cost category) go on death pathway"

There fixed it!!! .... If this wasn't so serious and absolutely predictable ..... I would actually laugh. But sadly .... unless you will be a cost effective member of society .... you will be put on the "Back List" ...... "Non Priority" list ...... "Less Effective List" .... or as some would call it ... "Termination List" .... or as realists might call it .... "DEATH LIST."

But sadly ... as of 11-06-12 there is no such thing......

... Perhaps in the future there might be some that realize that ... elections have consequences.... And so I say ..... For those that didn't vote in the last election for moral and perhaps strategic reasons ... even though the fate of the Nation and... yes ... perhaps even the fate of the remaining free world needed you most ...... "We who are about to die .... SPIT on you" .... and WHEN your time comes .... "Spit on yourselves and pray for someone to deliver you.' .... Because very few were there for us.

9 posted on 11/28/2012 9:19:29 PM PST by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: Bigtigermike

**One doctor has admitted starving and dehydrating ten babies to death in the neonatal unit of one hospital alone.**

I don’t think this doctor will like God’s verdict at the moment of his death!


10 posted on 11/28/2012 9:23:31 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: exDemMom

To, of course, create the giant fig leaf “oh, it’s not KILLING!”

Well hell yes it’s KILLING!


11 posted on 11/28/2012 9:57:11 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Bigtigermike

If you are over 70 and get sick, Barry the Joker will mail
you your medicine with this simple instruction...

“Take one of the two black pills. ...If you wake up, take the
other”

That’s his death pathway.


12 posted on 11/28/2012 9:57:52 PM PST by NeverForgetBataan (I am become Barry... destroyer of wealth)
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To: Bigtigermike

Socialism is pure unadulterated EVIL.


13 posted on 11/28/2012 10:11:42 PM PST by Dogbert41 (What now?)
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To: Bigtigermike

The New Nazis.


14 posted on 11/28/2012 10:16:12 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Bigtigermike

It’s one of George Soros’s “special” global projects; coming soon to a town near you.

http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/topics/palliative-care


15 posted on 11/28/2012 10:16:17 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Bigtigermike

This is just ridiculous. I don’t understand why, if you’re going to let them die anyway, why string it out. Just bring a machete to work and save them the agony of a dehydration-death.


16 posted on 11/28/2012 10:32:11 PM PST by TheZMan (Buy more ammo.)
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To: SaraJohnson
We need to have some people step forward and make these doctors and nurses afraid to play this eugenics Nazi game on the the public they are supposed to care for - not murder. If there is no justice in the government, it has to be street justice that stops them. They have no conscience like normal people. They are like predatory animals.

I know if I was a doctor or some other medical person, I could not do this. Don't they have a conscience and just stand up to this. I'm writing a short story on the theme you mentioned, let's face it these babies and old people do have relatives, friends, spouses, family and so on. I'll put it this way, as God said, "vengence is Mine," but I'm sure there will be a few people who want to get their licks in. If there is no justice under the system for people to pursue, then as the old adage, nature abhors a vacuum, so things might be decided on a Charles Bronson/Clint Eastwood level. I'd also hate to be the one to deny healthcare to a Tony Soprano or someone related to him, knowhutimean?

Not only it offends God and nature if we don't preserve life, as a libertarian leaning person, to deny life and not fight for it, takes away from one's liberty and dignity.
17 posted on 11/28/2012 10:42:07 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: Bigtigermike
'Survival is often much longer than most physicians think; reflecting on my previous patients,
the median time from withdrawal of hydration to death was ten days'

And the difference would be?

18 posted on 11/28/2012 10:54:54 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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To: Bigtigermike

First the abortion, then the euthanasia, then the eugenics. We’ve been saying it all along, but they kept saying we were nutjobs. Who’s nuts now?

Oh yeah, just in case the libs are paying attention now, it doesn’t stop with the eugenics. Next up: re-education of dissidents, internment, forced labor, and extermination. Are you prepared to go along with that too, or are you ready to get off the crazy train at this stop?


19 posted on 11/28/2012 11:31:17 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Bigtigermike

He who has the gold makes the rules. Decisions that should be made by families in consultation with their doctors end up being made by bureaucrats following government rulebooks.


20 posted on 11/28/2012 11:41:11 PM PST by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: TheZMan
" I don’t understand why, if you’re going to let them die anyway, why string it out. Just bring a machete to work and save them the agony of a dehydration-death."

I have a modest proposal. I do therefore humbly offer it to public consideration that of the hundred and twenty thousand children already computed, twenty thousand may be reserved for breed, whereof only one-fourth part to be males; which is more than we allow to sheep, black cattle or swine; and my reason is, that these children are seldom the fruits of marriage, a circumstance not much regarded by our savages, therefore one male will be sufficient to serve four females. That the remaining hundred thousand may, at a year old, be offered in the sale to the persons of quality and fortune through the kingdom; always advising the mother to let them suck plentifully in the last month, so as to render them plump and fat for a good table. A child will make two dishes at an entertainment for friends; and when the family dines alone, the fore or hind quarter will make a reasonable dish, and seasoned with a little pepper or salt will be very good boiled on the fourth day, especially in winter.

Is everyone clear on this?

21 posted on 11/29/2012 12:40:02 AM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of other people's money.)
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To: Boogieman

The Left wants to eliminate us because we question their insanity. If they could detect us in the womb, we would be aborted without hesitation. If there was a gene for conservatism, they would screen for it.


22 posted on 11/29/2012 12:46:21 AM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of other people's money.)
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To: NeverForgetBataan
Dr-Death

"Jack" Kevorkian reincarnated


23 posted on 11/29/2012 2:41:19 AM PST by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: GeronL
Hope my fellow "Baby Boomers" are paying attention, particularly all of the soft headed radicals on the left.

Thus begins the harvest of what was sown in the 1960's.

"And they that rolleth a stone, it shall return upon them." - The Good Book

24 posted on 11/29/2012 2:42:23 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: GeronL
Hope my fellow "Baby Boomers" are paying attention, particularly all of the soft headed radicals on the left.

Thus begins the harvest of what was sown in the 1960's.

"And they that rolleth a stone, it shall return upon them." - The Good Book

25 posted on 11/29/2012 2:46:41 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Purrcival

“That is just plain evil. There’s no other way to describe it.”

We are building our “master race”; the Axis lost WWII but the Nazis won. My father commented on the difference between the number of midgets/dwarfs you would see when he was younger to their near-total absence today; same idea.


26 posted on 11/29/2012 3:16:37 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2
My father commented on the difference between the number of midgets/dwarfs you would see when he was younger to their near-total absence today; same idea

A guy I know is a little person with a little person wife and little person daughter. The catch is that the daughter has common complications and needed extensive surgery at a young age. With good private insurance it is doable. Under the socialist plan she would simply suffer and die young.

27 posted on 11/29/2012 5:02:52 AM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: palmer

Unless you say you’re in the wrong gender body.


28 posted on 11/29/2012 5:15:11 AM PST by steve8714 (Obama's evil shown actual size.)
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To: Bigtigermike

It happens in Neonatal Units all over the United States, Downs Syndrome babies are the most frequent target.


29 posted on 11/29/2012 5:27:30 AM PST by emaginthat (Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens.)
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To: Bigtigermike

Is there any way we could treat these doctors to a Luger Care Pathway?


30 posted on 11/29/2012 6:15:02 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Bigtigermike

Be sure to mention to all your death-panel-age liberal friends...


31 posted on 11/29/2012 6:17:19 AM PST by Missouri gal
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To: struggle

Rule 308, sub-paragraph 556.


32 posted on 11/29/2012 6:20:25 AM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: NeverForgetBataan
Coming to an America near you soon.

Except that here, as the federal goverment is wont to do, it will be guided by "social justice" policies designed to "remedy societal racial and ethnic disparities".

33 posted on 11/29/2012 6:24:38 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: emaginthat

Newborns are being starved/dehydrated to death in US hospitals currently?


34 posted on 11/29/2012 6:32:18 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: GeronL
Apparently they already kill over 100-130,000 old people a year by denial of care.

Mostly old white folks, I'm sure. We have to make way for the "colorful" generation. Coming soon to a hospital near you.

35 posted on 11/29/2012 7:39:13 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: kearnyirish2
“We are building our “master race”; the Axis lost WWII but the Nazis won.”

Agreed. What most Americans don't realize is that in WWII we defeated fascism militarily but did not defeat it as an ideology —fascism continues to live on.

36 posted on 11/29/2012 7:48:20 AM PST by Towed_Jumper (I fart in Muhammed's general direction!)
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To: kearnyirish2
Althogh I agree with your larger point, modern American midgets self-segregate. They live in partially self-sufficient communities scattered around the country. Unless you live very near one of their communities, you will rarely meet them. They have a huge community somewhere in Fairfax County, VA, so I occasionally met midgets when I lived there. But I've met none in Maryland.

Deaf people do the same thing. I work right around the corner from one of the largest schools for the deaf in America, but you hardly ever meet them on the street or in the stores. I'm told they have their own shops, restaurants and housing developments.

37 posted on 11/29/2012 7:50:50 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: Missouri gal

I have.

They simply deny it.


38 posted on 11/29/2012 7:51:02 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Gene Eric
The New Nazis.

Same as the old Nazis. But at least the old Nazis had cool uniforms and high grooming standards. The new ones look flabby in their cheap suits with their bad skin and bad hair.

39 posted on 11/29/2012 8:00:08 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: jonrick46

I see your point but that post was really disturbing. Truly.


40 posted on 11/29/2012 8:04:36 AM PST by austinaero
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To: austinaero

You do know who wrote that, right?


41 posted on 11/29/2012 8:18:04 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Jimmy Valentine; kabar; C. Edmund Wright
Hope my fellow "Baby Boomers" are paying attention

Ah yes, the coming American Holocaust. The Nazis killed 6m+, the Soviets 3m+ in the Ukraine, and Mao upwards of 25m+ during the cultural revolution. All will be dwarfed by the 75m boomers whose lives will end shorter than expected.

The beauty of the American Holocaust is that there won't be any outrage - after all, it's harder to become upset about someone dying @ 65 rather than 25. And its directed purposefulness is being artfully obscured by the mechanics of how it's being achieved.

Consider the 3 infamous genocides listed above - all required large scale, overt operations. Each required active government and dedicated resources. But with the AH, the exact opposite is true: all it requires is the leverage of a couple of natural trends, assisted by some complex rules & regulations, in order to effect the desired end.

The natural trends are two-fold: exploding demand by aging boomers, combined with a rapid drop-off of qualified health care providers (ie the massive number of MDs either retiring or exiting the marketplace).

Add to this mix the myriad rules, regulations and bureaucratic control embodied in the PPACA, and the die is cast for denial of care and premature death.

One other important component is also present, and is now more than ever being carefully cultivated: hatred of the "other". Hitler, Stalin & Mao could not achieved their goals without at least broad support that the victims either "deserved it" or in some way represented an existential threat to the future of the state. It doesn't take a genius to see who is now considered an enemy of the state, and is thus conveniently labeled as someone who needs to be shown the door.

There are a couple of other elements that need to be considered as well. In each of the big 3, the profit motive served as a great enabler. While the Nazis had to build huge crematoriums (contracted out to private parties), the private build out of highly distributed funeral services in the US will be immense. And since it's already part of an existing system, the net increase won't really be that noticeable.

As I've mentioned before, the only real hope is to out-Alinsky Alinsky himself. Boomers need to carefully evaluate what they have to offer to politicians, in terms of unified votes/money, in order to buy off/forestall full implementation of what is currently being put in place.

42 posted on 11/29/2012 8:38:46 AM PST by semantic
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To: palmer

“Under the socialist plan she would simply suffer and die young.”

Under the socialist plan she would never be born.


43 posted on 11/29/2012 8:59:22 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Towed_Jumper

“Fascism” is a political system (dating back to the Roman Empire, if not earlier) that shouldn’t be used interchangeably with “Nazism”; the Nazism survived the ideology of the Judeo-Christian West that allegedly defeated it. The culture of the US of 1940 didn’t last another 40 years.

Fascism itself can be used for good or evil; Franco was painted as a fascist but left his borders open for anyone who disagreed with him to leave. Even Mussolini was mild in comparison to Hitler; all three embraced fascism as a response to communism, but Hitler intertwined it with paganism and racism that created “Nazism”. Mussolini never persecuted Jews (they were rounded up in Italy by Germans after he had fallen from power), and many actually found sanctuary in Franco’s Spain (which was neutral in the war).


44 posted on 11/29/2012 9:17:35 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: jboot

Possibly, but it seems I remember more even 30 years ago than I see now.

With today’s pre-natal screening, it must be hard for expectant parents to deal with the problems such children will bring. I assure you from personal experience, doctors are relentless when pushing a mother to “start over” when they think something is wrong with a baby in the womb. We muddled through, and the baby was fine (while we both aged years in the last months of the pregnancy because of how we imagined life would change).


45 posted on 11/29/2012 9:23:20 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: SaraJohnson

Psychopaths.


46 posted on 11/29/2012 9:29:39 AM PST by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: semantic
You are right on target. The irony being that the "Baby Boom" generation designed and built this pretty much by themselves.

The faster we depart the stage, the easier/better life will get for those who follow as demands on public funding will drop.

Your only chance for survival will be to be as independent of any system provided "benefits" as possible.

For the next 30 years for a "Boomer" to enter a hospital will be a suicidal act.

47 posted on 11/29/2012 9:41:43 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: kearnyirish2
We are building our “master race”; the Axis lost WWII but the Nazis won. My father commented on the difference between the number of midgets/dwarfs you would see when he was younger to their near-total absence today; same idea.

It's a shame, my grandfather was among the first to hit Omaha Beach and went all the way to Buchenwald. What have we learned? I'd say it is about time we re-enact Normandy, at the shores of the Potomac.
48 posted on 11/29/2012 10:19:04 AM PST by Nowhere Man (It is about time we re-enact Normandy, at the shores of the Potomac.)
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To: Nowhere Man

I ultimately believe the REAL American people will become fed up, and storm the beaches of the Potomac. It is just a matter of time...


49 posted on 11/29/2012 10:36:18 AM PST by itssme
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To: Jimmy Valentine; C. Edmund Wright; kabar
For the next 30 years for a "Boomer" to enter a hospital will be a suicidal act.

Good luck even getting into a hospital. The way Medicare cancellations are running through the system today, you won't be able to access a doctor (ie get an appointment), much less receive any care at a dedicated facility (eg hospital, out-patient, hospice).

I think the rate of change is going to surprise a lot of people. Right now, the death rate is around 800 per 100,000 (2.4m deaths vs 310m pop) - but that's because the median boomer age is 55. (1957 was the peak birth year.)

As this bulge becomes progressively older, we can expect to see the death rate surpass 1,000/100,000 - and that's assuming existing levels of care. Add in planned service restrictions, and who knows how high the death rate per 100k might go.

To get even more detailed, once we hit 3.65m deaths per year, that's 10k per day. Right now, 33% are being cremated - if that goes to 50%, then we're looking at ovens turning out 5k cremations per day.

Obviously, this is going to be a very big task. At its peak, the Nazis could hit 20k per day, but that was only during the latter part of a pretty short 3 year period. In addition, they were dealing with maybe 10m targets max - the American Holocaust is much more ambitious @ 75m.

The question I find interesting is to how to inform people of what is in store for them and perhaps help get them to act.

50 posted on 11/29/2012 11:17:38 AM PST by semantic
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