Skip to comments.I stand with the NRA! (vanity)
Posted on 12/18/2012 9:06:13 PM PST by Reagan‹berAlles
QUICK! When was the greatest school massacre in American history? HINT: You weren't alive when it happened and there's a very good chance that your parents weren't either.
Google: Bath School Massacre
Be alert....the Socialist facists are coming for our guns. One trained school employee, armed with a .22, could have stopped the Sandy Hook shooter. An armed pilot on each of 4 airplanes would have stopped 9/11 cold.
This isn't about the slaughter of innocents. This is about the ever expanding reach of government into our everyday lives.
God bless the NRA and G*d damn Liberalism!!!!
Yep the 1927 massacre happened before the current scapegoats of mass shootings were around and didn’t happen via guns. I also stand with the NRA. They shouldn’t be blamed for somebody’s murder rampage as they had nothing to do with it. If knives were used in the murder would we have blamed organizations based around knives, and sued knife makers? No, so I will not blame the NRA for what happened at Sandy Hooks.
John Raese never had a chance in hell of beating Joe Manchin in West Virginia. they might as well have endorsed Mickey Mouse as John Raese. At least by backing Manchin, they were able to tie a pro-gun constituency around his neck for a while. Y’all need to get over it.
Now is the time to close ranks. We can squabble among ourselves after we’ve beaten these statists back, again. Please don’t underestimate the danger this time around.
I think Mao said it best. “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.” Mao Zedong (Or Mao Tse Tung) I was a member of the N.R.A. until a year ago. They perform best at firearms training and education with a healthy dose of solicitation for funds and lobbying. I cannot ennumerate the travesties perpetrated against firearms possession during that time that went unresolved despite their efforts. So much for expecting meaningful results from the wearing of highly polished wing-tips in the houses of power. From my view, looking out one-thousand yards beyond the wire, Charlie looks like he is spoiling for the kind of confrontation better suited to those who wear boondockers. “I know not what course others may take, but as for me ...” -Thomas Paine
Thanks. I need all the help I can get.
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You get my drift.
You must be perfect, eh?
That was good. Very good.
No, I stand with the GOA. I'm sure they made a mistake once or twice or take a position I don't agree with. I don't demand perfection, I do think it's reasonable to expect a "gun rights" organization not to ROUTINELY endorse socialist Democrats who claim to be "pro-gun" when their Republican opponent has an proven equal or BETTER record than them on upholding gun rights.
Doesn't it bother you at all that Democrat politicians with D ratings from the GOA get an "A" rating from the NRA, Alaska Wolf? Do you think that's simply a "mistake" on their part? Seems to be a pretty wide gap between the two evaluation methods.
Karl Rove is a favorite scapegoat of the left and they claim he's an evil conservative puppermaster, so should we "stand with Karl" when he does stupid things too and stabs conservatives in the back? I guess so since we should "Stand with" the NRA after they helped elect a bunch of people currently screwing gun owners.
Elizabeth Emken didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning either, so by that logic it would be be perfectly acceptable for the NRA to endorse her opponent Diane Feinstein. After all, Senator Feinstein had a conceal-carry license of her own and CLAIMS she respects the 2nd amendment and the right of private citizens to have guns, so she's "pro-gun" by NRA standards!
The NRA has been infiltrated and they suck, period.
Not even close to the same thing and they didn’t endorse DiFi did they? Manchin had a stellar record on gun rights prior to this. Now he doesn’t and his NRA ranking will reflect that in future elections. Maybe next time we should run a candidate who can win and who has a better record on firearms. Maybe we need to get our priorities straightened out before 2014. BTW, I think your part of the free republic fifth column.
Of all the endorsements made by the NRA, how many in your opinion were/are socialist Democrats? Please name all of them.
Doesn't it bother you at all that Democrat politicians with D ratings from the GOA get an "A" rating from the NRA
First you would have to compare the rating systems, wouldn't you? Have you been able to do that? Neither the NRA or GOA have provided me with their rating systems.
Karl Rove is a favorite scapegoat of the left
So is the NRA. As far as I know that's about all Rove and the NRA have in common.
"Stand with" the NRA
That's about the only intelligent thing you posted. The NRA has done more to preserve and support the 2nd Amendment and gun rights than any individual or organization.
Then why hasn't she received an A+ rating and the NRA endorsement? You are looking more foolish with every post.
As long as the NRA keeps endorsing liberal Democrats like Manchin, their credibility will be dubious. In fact, ANY Democrat endorsement by a supposed pro-Constitutional group is dubious, given that the Democrats stand on the wrong side of virtually every issue, especially that of Constitutional rights.
BTW, attacking longstanding FReepers like BillyBoy with unproven smears doesn’t make you look very credible, either.
Anyone with a "D" after their name.
Manchin has reversed himself. Will you?
Name all of them. Should be easy (even for you) as there are so few.
I never supported nor trusted Manchin, since anyone with a brain could see his leftist voting record and nobody in his neo-Marxist party can be trusted. Why are you going out of your way to defend him ?
I answered your question.
No, you made a stupid allegation.
How many of the dozens of left-wing Democrats who earned the NRA endorsement do you want me to name? In 2010 ALONE they endorsed 58 Democrats in House races (it would take even longer if I was going to list all the Democrats for Governor and Senate they supported), and very few, if ANY of those Democrats were "conservatives". Aside from Gene Taylor and 1 or 2 others you won't find any non-socialists on that list. The vast majority of them pledged to support Nancy Pelosi and her agenda. I know the two Dems they endorsed in my state were NO conservatives, and Debbie Halvonson is an outright commie who tried to run to the left of Jesse Jackson Jr. this year. Here's 56 of the 58:
AL-2: Bobby Bright
AR-4: Mike Ross
Ca-18: Dennis Cardoza
CO-3: John Salazar
CO-4: Betsy Markey
FL-2: Allen Boyd
Ga-2: Sanford Bishop
Ga-8: Jim Marshall
Ga-12: John Barrow
IA-3: Leonard Boswell
IL-11: Debbie Halvorson
IL-12: Jerry Costello
IN-2: Joe Donnely
IN-8: Trent Van Haaften
IN-9: Baron Hill
KY-6: Ben Chandler
MD-1: Frank Kratovil
MI-1: Gary McDowell
MN-1: Tim Walz
MS-1: Travis Childers
MS-4: Gene Taylor
MO-4: Ike Skelton
NC-7: Mike McIntyre
NC-8: Larry Kissell
NC-11: Heath Shuler
ND-At Large: Earl Pomeroy
NM-1: Martin Heinrich
NM-2: Harry Teague
NM-3: Ben Lujan
NY-20: Scott Murphy
NY-23: Bill Owens
NY-24: Mike Acruri
OH-Gov. Ted Strickland
OH-6: Charlie Wilson
OH-16: John Boccieri
OH-18: Zack Space
OK-2: Dan Boren
OR-5: Kurt Schrader
PA-4: Jason Altmire
PA-10: Chris Carney
PA-11: Paul Kanjorski
PA-12: Mark Critz
PA-17: Tim Holden
SD-At Large: Stephanie Sandlin
TN-4: Lincoln Davis
TN-8: Roy Herron
TX-17: Chet Edwards
UT-2: Jim Matheson
VA-2: Glenn Nye
VA-5: Tom Perriello
VA-9: Rick Boucher
WI-3: Ron Kind
WI-8: Steve Kagen
WV-Senate: Joe Manchin
WV-3: Nick Rahall
Here's a "pro-gun" Democrat that the NRA worked their butts off to elect:
>> Neither the NRA or GOA have provided me with their rating systems. <<
A former NRA director resigned his position and says they're rating system is a joke and plenty of anti-gun candidates earn their support, I supposed that doesn't bother you either. Maybe it's a secret left-wing conspircy to make him say that:
>> So is the NRA. As far as I know that's about all Rove and the NRA have in common. <<
So, answer the question, do we need to "Stand with Karl Rove", since he's constantly under fire from the left and tells us that he's our pal?
>> That's about the only intelligent thing you posted. <<
Which is more intelligent than anything you've posted.
>> The NRA has done more to preserve and support the 2nd Amendment and gun rights than any individual or organization. <<
Why, Wayne LaPierre, I didn't you had an account on FR! Unfortunately for you, the GOA has done more to stand up for gun owners since 2008 than the NRA has done in the last few decades. They don't elect people pledged to support the enemy and "compromise" with people vowing to abolish gun ownership as their ultimate goal.
So you believe the "Castle Doctrine" is leftist?
Either way, without offering solid evidence, it is mindless and stupid.
All the anger and defensiveness in the thread is coming from the mindless NRA apologists and Manchin groupies. Either these folks are willfully stupid or their agenda is anti-2A. Needless to say, I have no use for either.
I’m not defending Manchin, I’m defending the NRA and I’m doing that because it is the most powerful tool in our pro-second amendment toolbox. Undermining the NRA is not something I have any use for. This is the kind of game that I would play with democrats, weakening their alliances. I don’t appeeciate being on the other end of that trick over here. You’re wasting everyone’s time and energy with this.
1997.....sour grapes. Why did leftist organizations and leftist politicians oppose and condemn "Project Exile"?
Can I get you crybaby groupies a tissue?
RC one, you're kidding yourself if you think defending the NRA is not defending Manchin. He would have never been able to do all the damage he did if groups like the NRA didn't constantly play him as a "pro-liberty, patriotic" Democrat in mailing and campaign ads to give West Virginians a false impression of him. I for one, never trusted Manchin.
If you think they're going to be grave reprecussions from the NRA and they'll rethink all their Democrat endorsements, you're also kidding yourself. If you NRA cheerleaders would bother reading the links I posted here to prove my point, you'd see no less than 10 Senators who voted for gun grabber Kagan had NRA grades of A+ or A, and 14 of those who voted for Sotomayor did. Despite the NRA vows that it was a 'keyvote' on their scorecard that would severely lower their rating if they supported gun-grabbing judges, most of the incumbents who voted for Kagan and every other anti-gun nomination and gun grabber were allowed to keep the grade they had, and some actually saw their grades go UP. Only one pro-Kagan Senator saw their grade drop, while three of them were given BETTER ratings in 2012. The NRA then supported these Senators over Republican opponents who also had A ratings.
An endorsement for the NRA is an endorsement for Joe Manchin and the dozens other socialist gun-grabbing politicians they helped elect. You can stand with the NRA and Manchin or you can stand with numerous other pro-gun orgnizations that AREN'T in bed with Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid's pals. Your choice.
Hmm. After repeatedly DEMANDING the names of the dozens of socialist Democrats the NRA gave their blessing too, I see you've made no effort to refute my statement that they're socialists. Why not, don't want to show all us naysayers what splendid statesmen the NRA lent their support to? Feel free to tell us about the NRA's buddies Debbie Halvonson and Ted Stickland. I'm sure such a wonderful heroic pro-gun organization would never knowingly endorse an enemy of freedom, right?
Argue with these liberals and one shouldn’t be surprised at what they hit back with when they predictably lose.
So how many of them are social democrats? Can a 2nd Amendment supporter be a social Democrat? Can a weak supporter of the 2nd Amendment be a Republican? The 2nd Amendment isn't about political parties, is it? You live in a leftist dump. Why can't a conservative 2nd Amendment supporter win in Illinois?
I supposed that doesn't bother you either.
One dissident director in 1997 out of how many in the past 15 years?
I didn't you had
You shouldn't imbibe while posting. LOL!
Joe Manchin sure is pleased these "conservatives" will still be funding his pals.
I think Kirsten Gillibrand was another "pro-gun" candidate with the NRA's blessing that quickly showed her true colors once she won a Senate seat. But it's "sour grapes" to call a spade a spade! How DARE we point out all the socialists the NRA "accidentally" endorsed.
I hope the NRA suckups here are pleased with their shiny new NRA membership cards after these statists elected with their funds ban every single firearm they have.
Can I get you crybaby groupies a tissue? You don't see me incessantly whining about other 2nd Amendment supporting organizations. You're either attempting to divide and conquer or you're willfully stupid.
Try to keep up. By late 2010, the NRA had regraded Gillibrand to an F rating,
Liars, frauds and faux 2nd Amendment supporters are eventually exposed, as are faux conservatives.
Why do you continue to reside in a liberal dump and anti 2nd Amendment state? It must suit you.
Why did leftist organizations and leftist politicians oppose and condemn “Project Exile”? Does that make GOA, JFPO and RKBA leftists, too? Like your twin, do you believe the “Castle Doctrine” is leftist?
Why are you a "registered independent" in an overwhelming Republican state who is proud of being a member of, and funding an organization that has helped elect dozens of socialist Democrats committed to destroying this country? It must suit you.
>> Does that make GOA, JFPO and RKBA leftists, too? <<
YOU'RE bringing up the GOA, JPFO, and RKBA to support YOUR argument? You're joking, right? The GOA has distanced itself from the NRA and publicly criticized the NRA on MULTIPLE occasions for compromising on gun rights issues and selling out the gun rights movement. The GOA has often been in OPPOSITION to the NRA in its endorsements and ratings of politicians and candidates. For instance, the GOA was outspoken in its opposition to John McCain's 2008 presidential bid, describing his gun-rights voting record as "abysmal, wretched, and pathetic" , while the NRA supported his bid for President. The GOA agrees with me, not you, about the NRA's record. You criticize others for "incessantly whining about other 2nd Amendment supporting organizations." By your own logic, the GOA would be a "faux gun rights organization" since it doesn't believe in, or support, the NRA.
Because I'm a conservative, not a Democrat, not a Republican and not a Libertarian.
Now Billy Boy, answer all the questions posed to you.
the GOA was outspoken in its opposition to John McCain's 2008 presidential bid
Using your illogic, they supported Obama. How did that work out for you, tool?
The only illogic is yours. I never claimed declining to endorse someone is tantamount to endorsing their main opponent. You made up that little "fact" on your own.
I said you specifically reject joining the Republican Party in a state which is overwhelming conservative Republicans (Lisa Murcowski, your Senator, was similarly elected without the Republican label, and swears she is "independent" who caucuses with the Republicans) and I noted you are a proud member of an organization which has endorsed scores of liberal Democrats.
I did not claim the NRA (or the GOA for that matter) was "endorsing" Democrats when they failed to support a Republican candidate. I claimed they were endorsing Democrats when they came right out and proclaimed they WANTED the liberal Democrat candidate in the race to win. If the GOA came out and said they WANTED Obama to win and put out a bunch of pro-Obama campaign literature and pro-Obama billboards calling him a "pro Second Amendment candidate", I'd be raising just as much hell with them as I do when the NRA puts forth such efforts on behalf of liberal Democrats. Fortunately the GOA doesn't go around campaigning for liberal Democrats or promoting gun grabbers as "pro second amendment". Too bad your heroes at the NRA can't say the same.
Is the "Castle Doctrine" leftist?
Can a 2nd Amendment supporter be a social Democrat? Can a weak supporter of the 2nd Amendment be a Republican? The 2nd Amendment isn't about political parties, is it? You live in a leftist dump. Why can't a conservative 2nd Amendment supporter win in Illinois?
65 Democrats in Congress tell Obama Administration NO on gun control
The gun control community has intentionally misled many Americans into believing that these weapons are fully automatic machine guns. They are not. Eric Massa (D-NY) 20. Steve Kagen, M.D. (D-WI) 21. Betsy Markey (D-CO) 22. Paul Hodes (D-NH) 23.
Good thing everyone at GOA isn't as ignorant as you, Billy7Boy
I’m sure it must be a bitter thing to face if you’ve long been affiliated with the organization but they suck, not to say the rank and file of course but the leadership is shite, obviously. There is no 2 ways about it. They spend your donations to help certain democrats. The good they’ve done must be weighed against this.
The GOA has they’re key votes listed on their website. Maybe they are too strict? Perhaps they include votes only tangentially related to guns? But there is no question that the NRA is far too lax in it’s ratings making them useless in evaluating whether someone is actually for the second amendment.
Manchin isn’t flop flopping here, the GOA gave him a D, BEFORE this. He was never pro 2a. He’s a liar and the NRA is foolish to support these liars.
The most effective gun rights, gun education, gun safety, lobbying organization in the world and you, a self righteous twit, claim the NRA sucks. Do you realize how ignorant that makes you and the rest of the NRA haters appear?
Manchin isnt flop flopping here,He was never pro 2a.
Is the "Castle Doctrine" leftist, anti 2nd Amendment legislation?