Psych meds linked to 90% of school shootings

WND ^ | 12/19/2012 | Jerome Corsi

[detective]

From the moment news emerged Friday that a young man had carried out a horrific massacre of elementary-school children, politicians from local city halls to the White House have been restoking the age-old push for more gun control. While guns have been a common denominator in mass slayings at schools by teens, there’s another familiar element that seems increasingly to be minimized.

Some 90 percent of school shootings over more than a decade have been linked to a widely prescribed type of antidepressant called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors or SSRIs, according to British psychiatrist Dr. David Healy, a founder of RxISK.org, an independent website for researching and reporting on prescription drugs.

[John O]

It is a spiritual issue

(I missed this before.) In many cases you are right, it can be spiritual. But we have to treat the symptoms at the same time we are working on the cure. Sometimes God heals instantaneously, other times it takes a while. Leaving someone damaged and unable to function while a simple med can help them live a normal life while we are waiting for God to heal them would be wrong.

Look at it like someone who had a serious bleeding wound. Can God heal that? Of course He can, and I've seen Him do so, but while we are praying for the healing we had better do what we can to stop the bleeding.

In my other post I mentioned people who were on the drugs but were rebalanced and didn't need them any more. In at least two of those cases I know that God healed them.

[Will88]

I turn to my wife and say, “damn, the drug sounds worse then the condition.”

All SSRIs now have the "Black Box Warning"

The FDA requires a black box warning on all antidepressants because of an increased risk of suicidal thinking and behavior in young adults ages 18 to 24 during initial treatment - generally the first one to two months of therapy.

It's known that these drugs can cause such reaction in some people, but I guess it's believed that the overall benefits outweigh the dangers, or the profits are too great, or something.

Black Box Warning

[Iron Munro]

[annieokie]

Most of our doctors are over scheduled and don't (can't) spend the time with each patient that they should. (and obamacare is going to make this far worse). They have good intentions but can't make the system work unless we are active participants in our health care."""".....

Excellant summation, and I agree. Sorry you had to experience all that with your wife.

We are in charge and need to know and question what any Dr. prescribes. Dr's. too are held accountable if they DO NOT prescribe certain MEDS and something happens later.

If we decline a MED, that gives the DR. the waiver he needs to protect him or herself. I have refused many drugs & tests and my Dr. is fine with that.

I first try to find out what I am doing different that caused the problem, and more than once I have self diagnosed and cured myself.

That is why I will never take the FLU shot, it killed my dad. Gullain-barra, horrible death. Have talked with many in the Medical field that say they too will not take that shot. This of course is just what I do, not a recommendation to anyone if they so desire.

[annieokie]

Have you guys listened to the fast legal speak toward the end of these commercials advertising some of these drugs?""""".....

Yes, I have. After seeing all the harmful side affects, do some people say "Oh yeah, give me some of that stuff".

But obviously they must be selling a lot of it to continue on with the commercials.

Right after the Drug Commercial comes the Attorneys...."have you been diagnosed with (whatever) due to taking Drug (so and so), if so call me.....

[gov_bean_ counter]

You have mail. Best regards...

[Chewbarkah]

That irrational acts correllate strongly with significant mental illness is obvious. But blaming psychiatric drugs for causing the effects of mental illness is like blaming plaster casts for broken bones.

I suspect that in 99.99% of cases, patients referred for mental health treatment who end up on “psyche drugs” have demonstrated mental illness beforehand. Psychiatric meds might be “overprescribed”, or not. Is there a basis for either assertion?

From observing the travails of local bipolar and other individuals on Prozac type meds, I could readily believe that:
1) it is very difficult to find the “right mix” of meds;
2) the “right mix” changes over time as the patients, especially young ones, age, react, and change biochemically;
3) the patients dislike the side effects and often manage not to take the drugs consistently or at all;
4) coming off the drugs is especially dangerous (here is where it might be argued that the drugs have a role in causing violent episodes, but that risks underevaluating what the patients might have done without meds);
5) psyche drugs don’t always work or work the same for all patients;
6) in a lot of cases, the desire to avoid institutionalizing the patient causes irrational expectations that drugs can fix an intractable problem; and,
7) we hear of the disasters, but the successes go unseen. What would be interesting are real stats on how many cases are out there, how many are “successfully” treated with meds compared to failures, etc.

[imardmd1]

Not only that, but it is horrible policy to allow mentally unstable people out in public where they can be a threat to society if they don’t take their meds.

I think you and others have gotten this just bass-ackwards. It is the SSRIs that are causing the raging outbursts and/with suicides, not suppressing them. Read Robert Whitaker's "Anatomy of an Epidemic" which documents the overwhelming epidemic of abnormal symptoms caused by the psychopharmaneutical "revolution" rather than alleviating them with pills.

Those medicated are often justly refusing to dose themselves with the medicines that they know are making them worse.

[hummingbird]

"Let’s be careful before we label anyone who has needed help with mental health issues a kook. All medicine is not bad. Misused and nonprescribed, yes!"

Agree.

[Shadow44]

SSRIs are for people with depression, anxiety, and issues like OCD. Paranoid schizophrenics need to take Anti-psychotics, which is hard to do when they suffer paranoid delusions.

Since mentally ill people have “rights”, they don’t get involuntarily committed anymore and instead roam the streets or are left to family members to try and cope.

SSRIs can cause averse reactions in people, but that comes nowhere near to being close to explaining away it all.

I agree drug prescriptions are overly relied upon by incompetent medical professionals, but the fact is certain people NEED to take medication to be dealt with, and psychiatric institutes are the best place for such long-term patients.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***That said, I also read that the first mass murder shooting in a school occurred in 1990.***

Several attacks happened before that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cokeville_Elementary_School_hostage_crisis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_Chowchilla_kidnapping

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

The last one OKC was not a school but there was a day care there in which 19 children died.

Then there is a photo of people trapped in the WTC on 9-11-2001 in which it looks like one woman is holding a baby.

[detective]

My concern primarily is that psyche meds are over prescribed to young people. The amount of psyche meds prescribed to young boys has increased greatly in recent years. Withdrawal from these drugs has been shown to have serious side effects. This is a recent phenomenon. It began in the early 1990’s and has increased dramatically ever since.

Active unruly boys are diagnosed with mental disorders and are treated with medications that have severe side effects.

When I was growing up in the 1960’s boys played “guns” all the time(with toy guns). It was our favorite activity. Boys were often given bb guns. Remember A Christmas Story. Several of my friends growing up had them at the age of 9 or 10. Boys with fathers who hunted were often given hunting rifles at the age of 12 or 13. I remember being in 8th grade and a friend showing me his hunting rifle. Fathers took sons out hunting and boys shot guns.

When I was growing up there was not a single child I knew or had heard of who was seeing a psychiatrist or taking psych meds. There was no violence back then. People left their doors unlocked. Kids played outside all day with no adult supervision. Suicide rates for boys was far less than it is today.

These school shootings began in the 1990’s. Suicide rates among young boys increased at the same time. I don't pretend to know all the answers. But I do know psyche meds are readily offered to young boys. I don't think it is a good thing.

[imardmd1]

That said, I also read that the first mass murder shooting in a school occurred in 1990. The first SSRI, Prozac, went on the market in 1988.

I believe that is not quite right. The first spree was on December 30, 1974 at the Olean High School in Olean, NY by 17 y/o Anthony Barbaro. However, it was not while school was in session, so you could debate about that.

But this kind of continuing issue was predicted by Erica Carle, on May 2, 1974 (as noted in her 2003 article SHOOTING RAMPAGES: WHY DO CHILDREN KILL?). That 1974 article was geminal, I believe, in projecting the outcomes of the sea change in high school indoctrination in the human arts. Her prescience is worthy of reviewing.

Regarding Prozac, it was preceded by other such benzodiazepines, starting with Librium (chlordiazepoxide) in 1953, Valium (diazepam) in 1963, and others subsequently. (Is it possible that Anthony Barbaro was being treated with one of these earlier varieties?)

FYI

[detective]

“the first mass murder shooting in a school occurred in 1990”

The first mass murder school shooting did occur in 1990. The Bath School disaster was a bomb planted by the 55 year old School Board Treasurer angry at being defeated in an election for City Clerk. Cokeville in 1986 was a former Town Marshall disgruntled about being fired 6 years earlier who held a bomb and demanded $2 million dollars ransom per hostage. Chowchilla in 1976 was 3 men who kidnapped kids from a school bus and demanded ransom. Oklahoma City in 1995(after 1990) was the bombing of an office building.

None of these were mass school shootings. One occurred after 1990.

[imardmd1]

How about a closer look at the meds before we start handing them out like candy?

Here's how it works. You seem to resonate to some notions of symptoms to be "cured" from the advertising of a certain psychotropic drug, say insomnia or "restlessness leg" or some other thing. You visit your general practitioner or internist, or even your psychiatrist (ant of whom can prescribe psychotropics whether trained in them or not) and perhaps you can describe the symptoms, for which they can be influenced tp prescribe the drug you think you want. Simple, eh?

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

I should have explained I was showing attacks on schools before shootings became popular with they psycho.

One of the biggest mass murders in the US took place in CT. No guns involved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford_circus_fire

[imardmd1]

... Librium (chlordiazepoxide) in 1953...

Correction:

Librium (chlordiazepoxide) in 1960

Sorry --

[listenhillary]

I worry more about teenagers full of raging hormones and turmoil, normal ups and downs being medicated to make the tumult go away. It’s a poor lesson for our young to look for just the right pill or pills to make us feel better.

I’m not ruling it out, I’m not saying it should never be an option. It shouldn’t be the first option.

[imardmd1]

Apparently you did not "hear" what I said in my comment to you, nor check the information out. Even if you are a medical professional, but especially if not, you need to quit believing in the "psychopharmacological revolution" as sold by pharmaceutical manufacturers and in doctors who are heavily invested in them.

Quoting from Robert Whitakers answer to one critic's review of "Anatomy of an Epidemic":

"The logic behind outpatient commitment laws is that antipsychotic medication is a necessary good for people with a diagnosis of severe mental illness. The medications are known to be helpful, but -- or so the argument goes -- people with 'severe mental illness' lack insight into their disease and this is why they reject the medication.

However, if the history of science presented in Anatomy of an Epidemic is correct, antipsychotic medications, over the long term, worsen long-term outcomes in the aggregate, and thus a person refusing to take antipsychotic medications may, in fact, have good medical reason for doing so. And if that is so, the logic for forced treatment collapses.

We need to go over Torrey’s review, step by step. This may be a bit exhausting, but since his critical review can ultimately be seen as a defense of his advocacy of forced treatment, I think it will be worthwhile. In the end, we will be able to judge whether his is an honest review, or dishonest in kind, and if it is the latter, that—by itself—will reveal much about the scientific merits of outpatient commitment laws."

What I suggest is that your reply is simply too facile and untutored to pass as a valid argument for continuing the use of SSRIs. Again, often the delusions of those affected, when historically treated, are less damaging to them and to society, than replacing them with the effects induced by SSRIs. SSRIs are not necessary for the treatment of psychoses, regardless of what big pharma recommends and which the layman has been led to believe.

Have you ever seen it through with a friend who is trying to get off SSRIs without adequately trained counsel? If not, then let me recommend you keep your opinions in restraint until you have. Benzodiazepines are far more addictive than cocaine or heroine, and harder to get off.