Neighbor says Lanza was on meds, links between SSRIs and violence

Digital Journal ^ | Dec 19, 2012 | Ralph Lopez

[FreeReign]

the cops have had a week to search the house to find drugs and found none

The cops have had a week to get access to the the kids medical records and release any information they find.

Yet all we get is information about a house search.

What are they hiding?

[combat_boots]

“What are they hiding?”

The truth.

Holder made a call......

We don’t actually know anything, including which guns were registered to the mother, whether there was a gun safe, trigger locks, etc. We don’t know jack.

[steve86]

Glad it works for you also. It is still hard to find many SAM-e comments on forums. Since Nature Made and others obviously sell a lot of it, I’m wondering if customers find it so trouble-free and effective that they find no reason to go on the Internet and complain about it (unlike SSRI users and their endless blogs). Maybe there are more European-language comments about SAM-e out there, but I have never taken the time to locate them.

Have you looked into any of the improved folate derivatives such as MTHF/Quatrefolic (these play into the methylation cycle as does SAM-e). There is the prescription drug Deplin and very close OTC forms like Quatrefolic. I am just starting a modest dose along with SAM-e to see how it goes. There is evidence that many people are deficient in the metabolic ability to convert regular folate into the form that will cross the blood-brain barrier; the products mentioned above are in that form already.

None of these (including SAM-e) are cheap or generally covered by insurance. Tough to afford for people who can’t work because of their afflictions but that’s just how it is. I’ve quit SAM-e probably three or four times because of costs but never experienced a discontinuation syndrome in the slightest. Still only take 400 mg where 800 to 1600 would probably be better (but even 400 works).

Back to the original thread theme, I doubt if we will ever hear about a mass murder where SAM-e is suspected of playing a role.

[silverleaf]

excellent sourcing, eh?
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/man-identifying-himself-as-jonathan-lanza-uncle-of-adam-news-photo/158439067

even DU figured out that Lanza’s “uncle” likely was/is a publicity troll who inserts himself into high profile cases by pretending to be a family member

http://www.infowars.com/fanapt-hoax-hides-real-connection-between-shooters-and-ssri-drugs/

the “news” report that cited the ‘uncle’s” claim has disappeared

But you just keep on taking “their” word any day, since it matches what you already believe

[neverdem]

"Asperger's patients are not at increased risk for violence. Any patient taking these selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor, SSRI, meds are."

If indeed you are a practicing physician, then I have to question your professional competence in making such blanket statement.

Are these drugs overprescribed? Yes, most certainly. However, to state that SSRIs make some (implied all) homocidal is borderline malpractice. You are as bad as those physicians that overprescribe.

A great many persons have been helped by the SSRIs. However, like ALL drugs, there will be adverse effects. Prudence is always called for in their use - all medications.

You omitted the immediately preceding sentence about Asperger patients which I bolded. Why? Then you almost accuse me of malpractice because of people helped by SSRIs. Buy a clue. Comment# 22 has a link to serotonin syndrome. Most docs don't know what it is. Fewer still know about serotonin withdrawal syndrome, aka serotonin discontinuation syndrome. Both are associated with bizarre ideation including suicide and homicide, but they also have physical signs and symptoms. Your typical suicidal or homicidal patient has a normal physical examination. A doc can't make the diagnosis if the doc doesn't know it exists. Go to the link for SSRI Stories in the original article when you have the time. It has 4800+ stories that made the news.

[Justa]

Whoa, there. A bit of J’accuse?

-You say Lanza’s uncle is “likely” a publicity troll yet do not refute his identity.

-You mention that MSM references to his comment have “disappeared” and you interpret this as disproving his claim?

-You do not refute the neighbor’s comment that he was on medication.

-You refer to DU comments as a credible source of opinion.

Finally, you accuse me of “keep on taking “their” word any day since it matches what you already believe”. So whose word am I taking? You’re citing DU and the MSM both of which keep changing their stories to remain focused on attacking Second Amendment liberties.

Do you not realize that the MSM receives substantial funding from pharmaceutical companies? That’s called a “motive to deceive”.

I’ll say to you, the MSM and DU it’s absurd and offensive to deflect this tradgedy to confiscating liberties and forcing conformity to Liberal ideology -including, as of today, raising taxes! This seems to be what YOU believe and there’s a name for it. It’s called demagoguery.

If there’s a troll in here it ain’t the uncle.

[silverleaf]

Pal, just check out the news photo of Lanza’s so-called “Uncle Jonathan” who claimed the kid was on drugs

then go to DU and read about the Jonathan troll for yourself
There are more pictures and articles about “Jonathan’s” publicity stunts regarding the Jared Loughner and Aurora theater shooters

and this - and an unnmaed “neighbor”, are your sources for a complete “drugs make crazy people crazy” rant?

Yeah, it’s DU that dug this up but even a stopped clock is right twice a day

[AppyPappy]

I think the problem will be that he wasn’t on drugs.

[Sola Veritas]

“Fewer still know about serotonin withdrawal syndrome, aka serotonin discontinuation syndrome.”

I am fully aware of it, and still say you are an extremist and I question your medical competence. However, I am NOT a physician. So, my opinion means little.

I do know that were you to be in practice in my area...I would blow the whistle on you to the other Docs and the public. Most physicians that I know would consider you an embarassment.

[neverdem]

I am fully aware of it, and still say you are an extremist and I question your medical competence. However, I am NOT a physician. So, my opinion means little.

You must be special.

The serotonin syndrome From the top of P. 313:

The incidence of serotonin syndrome is not known. It is often not properly recognised because doctors are not familiar with it.

A Mix of Medicines That Can Be Lethal

In March 2005, two such specialists, Dr. Edward W. Boyer of the University of Massachusetts Medical School and Dr. Michael Shannon of Children’s Hospital Boston, noted that more than 85 percent of doctors were “unaware of the serotonin syndrome as a clinical diagnosis.”

I do know that were you to be in practice in my area...I would blow the whistle on you to the other Docs and the public. Most physicians that I know would consider you an embarassment.

If that's the price of making physicians aware of making the diagnosis, that's OK with me. Doctors are supposed to be teachers.