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Obama could sidestep Congress on gun control
radioaustralia.net.au ^ | January 7, 2013 | Lisa Millar

Posted on 01/07/2013 7:05:22 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe

US president Barack Obama is reportedly considering implementing the most comprehensive gun control measures seen in decades.

US president Barack Obama is reportedly considering implementing the most comprehensive gun control measures seen in decades.

A task force led by vice-president Joe Biden is reportedly considering wide-ranging proposals going well beyond simply reinstating a ban on assault weapons and high capacity ammunition.

The Washington Post reports that a national data base tracking gun sales, mental health checks, and background checks are all on the table.

And in a move that is set to anger opponents of gun control, the taskforce is reportedly looking at measures that can be implemented by the president's order without the approval of Congress.

The White House is understood to want swift action while the public remains outraged over the deaths of 20 children and six adults in the Newtown school shooting in Connecticut last month.

Some reports suggest Mr Obama will have the proposals on his table within weeks.

Democrat congressman Chris Van Hollen says any approach the Obama administration takes must be comprehensive.

"The argument against gun safety provisions is always because it doesn't solve everything we shouldn't do anything and I don't subscribe to that," he said.

"I believe we need a comprehensive approach, we need to look at all the different elements here and just because a particular effort won't prevent something in one particular incident, doesn't mean you shouldn't do anything that might help in other incidents.

"Right now you can be on the terrorist watch list, you can be prevented from boarding an aeroplane, but you can go down the street and buy a semiautomatic assault weapon."

With the new Congress sworn in just days ago, 10 different bills are already on the table dealing with gun laws separate to Mr Obama's working group.


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1 posted on 01/07/2013 7:05:25 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The White House is understood to want swift action while the public remains outraged...

Never let a crisis go to waste.

2 posted on 01/07/2013 7:07:29 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the government. LIBERTY: When the government fears the people.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The US Constitution does not apply to King Obama.


3 posted on 01/07/2013 7:11:13 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America !!!!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"Right now you can be on the terrorist watch list, you can be prevented from boarding an aeroplane, but you can go down the street and buy a semiautomatic assault weapon."

And no gun law will change that, Cocaine has been totally illegal for decades and yet you can still purchase it in any town in America...

4 posted on 01/07/2013 7:12:28 AM PST by apillar
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Since he can, it’s likely he will.


5 posted on 01/07/2013 7:13:16 AM PST by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I didn’t know freakazoid Lanza was on a terrorist not fly list. Same for all those Chicago gangbangers who are constantly killing as many people every couple of weeks unabated as Lanza did.


6 posted on 01/07/2013 7:17:04 AM PST by Sirius Lee (Get your hair clippers, Patriots! The Vichy Republicans asked for it. 2014!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

What about the 1.2 million babies being aborted each year in the US?

What about a convicted felon (certain elements are required) to buy a cap and ball musket - still a firearm - still able to kill a person???

What about all the drunk drivers that result in the deaths of 16,000 + or - each year in the US???

I’m outraged that the schools in the US don’t allow trained and cleared personnel that either want to volunteer (parents, retired police officers, etc) show up and be there to counter an active shooter...

I’m outraged that schools don’t allow trained and certified teachers/principals to carry or have access to lock boxes that contain a firearm to suppress and counter an active shooter...

But oh no....let’s just tramp on the 2nd Amendment - use this crisis to take away more freedoms - but let’s open the flood gates on abortion - alcohol abuse - legal marijuana usage that will results in more vehicle deaths and other criminal activity — but not allow FREE US CITIZENS the right to protect and defend their property and families from criminals because the govt. is broke both federal and local - and the police agencies are overworked - under staffed - and unwilling to be proactive to due the stupid lawsuits that liberal minded idiots employ to get out of criminal charges they know very well that they committed...

But no - I have to be legal - upstanding - can’t break the law - so turn over your weapons - forgo the amount of money I spent on it — just so a school shooting won’t happen again — and pay no attention to the thousands of illegals entering the country with who knows what in their backpacks...

I guess I’ll either resist or buy a percussion six shot and roll around like Blondie in a Fist Full of Dollars - (excellent movie by the way - all 3 of them)!!!

Just great....


7 posted on 01/07/2013 7:18:51 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“”Right now you can be on the terrorist watch list, you can be prevented from boarding an aeroplane, but you can go down the street and buy a semiautomatic assault weapon.” “

gee is too bad the govt doesn’t need to actually convict you of a crime before prohibiting you from traveling.


8 posted on 01/07/2013 7:19:18 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I don’t think he has the balls to executive order this one and if he does cross that line, we’ll just disregard it and undo it when he and his ferry band of democrats suffer epic backlash in 2014 and 2016. Obama has been gun salesman of the year for the past 4 years running. If he EO’s some bull***t, he’ll be Republican recruiter of the year for the next 4 years. Look at all the guns being sold in this country, all to registered voters and not all of them are hard core conservatives-not by a long shot. Americans don’t have his back on this.


9 posted on 01/07/2013 7:19:49 AM PST by RC one (.From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: apillar
And in a move that is set to anger opponents of gun control, the taskforce is reportedly looking at measures that can be implemented by the president's order without the approval of Congress.

The Supreme Court ruled in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, 343 US 579 (1952) that Executive Order 10340 from President Harry S. Truman placing all steel mills in the country under federal control was invalid because it attempted to make law, rather than clarify or act to further a law put forth by the Congress or the Constitution.

10 posted on 01/07/2013 7:24:44 AM PST by apillar
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I hope the Dems and all their media minions realize that they are up against the most fundamental rights of the American people...
....And "We The People...."
...Are prepared to maintain & defend all of our God-given inalienable rights as American citizens....

That said...

The brash arrogance of the Dem's /libs' mindset...
And the (much more likely) gross political miscalculation on the entire 2nd Amendment catalog of issues may just be ultimate stumbling block for this ungodly un-American cabal...

IOW...
Impeachment for treason may become the most obvious and undeniable option to rid ourselves of these clowns...

Just my humble....

/end = [Monday rant]

11 posted on 01/07/2013 7:26:13 AM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Maybe so but he will not be able to bypass Congressional constituents
12 posted on 01/07/2013 7:28:11 AM PST by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: RC one

Congress does not have to allow executive orders to become law. There is a time period during which Congress can nullify executive orders, they just don’t bother most of the time.
This time their constituents would demand they nullify the order.


13 posted on 01/07/2013 7:36:54 AM PST by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The murmurs of discontent are building. Who will provide the spark to outright resistance? Who in Congress will step up, stand out and denounce Hussein for the tyrant he is? Who will be our Patrick Henry?
14 posted on 01/07/2013 7:39:11 AM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: Jacquerie

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha ......Best laugh of the day! Thanks!


15 posted on 01/07/2013 7:55:45 AM PST by Gadsden1st
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"With the new Congress sworn in just days ago, 10 different bills are already on the table dealing with gun laws separate to Mr Obama's working group."

My guess is some sort of piecemeal response -- with tighter screens for criminal records and mental illness. (I've wondered if much of the libs opposition to firearms is because they can't legally own them because they can't pass mental illness background checks.)

16 posted on 01/07/2013 7:56:46 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Could???

I don't recall Dear Leader ever even declaring CONgrease back in session.

17 posted on 01/07/2013 7:57:44 AM PST by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
A task force led by vice-president Joe Biden is reportedly considering wide-ranging proposals going well beyond simply reinstating a ban on assault weapons and high capacity ammunition.

I think Joe Biden wrote this sentence.

18 posted on 01/07/2013 8:03:18 AM PST by Disambiguator
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To: Tailgunner Joe

if so, then watch it get the fast track to the SPOTUS... no way it would pass muster.


19 posted on 01/07/2013 8:06:02 AM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Thugs and dictators want law abiding citizens disarmed for obvious reasons.


20 posted on 01/07/2013 8:07:11 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (If all trees were money trees, Obama would still spend it faster than they can leaf out.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Thugs and dictators want law abiding citizens disarmed for obvious reasons.


21 posted on 01/07/2013 8:07:28 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (If all trees were money trees, Obama would still spend it faster than they can leaf out.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Thugs and dictators want law abiding citizens disarmed for obvious reasons.


22 posted on 01/07/2013 8:07:28 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (If all trees were money trees, Obama would still spend it faster than they can leaf out.)
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To: F.J. Mitchell

Yeah, that’s worth repeating.....repeating.....repeating....;-)


23 posted on 01/07/2013 8:10:07 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (If all trees were money trees, Obama would still spend it faster than they can leaf out.)
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To: Iron Munro
The US Constitution does not apply to King Obama.

The purpose of the second amendment may soon become glaringly apparent. If he thinks that people will roll over on this issue, he's got another thought coming. 2 billion rounds of hollowpoints in the hands of DHS isn't adequate to sway people.

24 posted on 01/07/2013 8:11:44 AM PST by meyer (Proud member of the 53%.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

• If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual State. In a single State, if the persons entrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.
— Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28
The founders had it right and the time to follow their advise is drawing near—consider the following quote—
“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing.”
— Adolph Hitler, Hitler’s Secret Conversations 403 (Norman Cameron and R.H. Stevens trans., 1961)


25 posted on 01/07/2013 8:11:50 AM PST by alchemist54 ((for those who fight for it freedom has a taste the protected will never know))
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To: Gadsden1st

Ignorance is bliss. Don’t stop laughing!


26 posted on 01/07/2013 8:15:07 AM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

YOU WILL NOT, OBAMA.


27 posted on 01/07/2013 8:28:53 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Sooth2222
(I've wondered if much of the libs opposition to firearms is because they can't legally own them because they can't pass mental illness background checks.)

Nice one!

28 posted on 01/07/2013 8:32:20 AM PST by rocksblues (Being a Liberal means never having to mean it when you apologize.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; E. Pluribus Unum; Iron Munro; apillar; b4its2late; Sirius Lee; BCW; driftdiver

ALL the kid killers were on psychoactive drugs... with the blessing of idiot liberals who see mind mucking drugs as ‘the answer’...

Does Obama understand that?

http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/the-giant-gaping-hole-in-sandy-hook-reporting/

Guns have been with us for hundreds of years... schools for thousands.

Psychoactive drugs came into being right around the time crazed kids started mass killings.


29 posted on 01/07/2013 8:33:59 AM PST by GOPJ (Our Friends don't trust us.. Our Enemies don';t fear us .. - Freeper Tilted Irish Kilt)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“assault weapons and high capacity ammunition.”

High capacity ammunition??


30 posted on 01/07/2013 8:42:25 AM PST by jughandle
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Public housing is full of government dependents who will ignore any law that tries to disarm them ... yet the same fools will contineu to vote for the european socialist bastards like Obama and Feinswine and Schumer. I don’t see leos going door to door in the housing projects confiscating shotguns and pistols and rifles, do you? So who does that mean these democrat sonsabitches are aiming to disarm with their new ‘regulations’? Yes, the democrats are the enemy within the Republic. Time for them to have their tickets to rule cancelled.


31 posted on 01/07/2013 8:54:43 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: RC one

With Roberts and Sotomyer on the SC there is nothing the little barry bastard boy and his socialist democrats cannot get away with. The sovereignty of We The People is gone folks. Welcome to the democrat’s socialist oligarchy.


32 posted on 01/07/2013 8:59:51 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Wiser now

Executive orders are not laws. The President of the United States can not enact a law, only congress can do that.

The role of president has far exceeded anything the founding fathers would have imagined.

The President of the United States is the chief executive of the Executive branch of the United States and the commander in chief of our military.

Executive orders are instructions to the various departments within the executive branch.

The only reason this administration is allowed to get away with so much is because his party controls the Senate, the opposition party in the house are a bunch of wimps, and the main stream media is acting like a PR firm for him.

As the old story goes, we are all a bunch of frogs in a pot of water. That water has been getting hotter and hotter, soon it will be boiling. Will we jump (and do something) before we are all boiled alive?

Future historians are going to enjoy this time period because there are so many different forces at work. It is impossible to predict how all this is going to turn out (other then very bad for all concern).


33 posted on 01/07/2013 9:02:36 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN (California does not have a money problem, it has a spending problem.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

You can bet every leftist dream since 1962 will be in it.


34 posted on 01/07/2013 9:08:15 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (GUNS.. the rightful property of freemen, and formidable only to tyrannical governments.”)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Of COURSE the goal is to do it without Congress. A dictatorship is the goal.

If a Republican were doing this, ruling without Congress, the national media would be screaming about his inability to work with the Legislative branch.

But 99% of the national and local media have their faces buried in Obama’s butt. So no criticism is found.


35 posted on 01/07/2013 9:38:02 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Of COURSE the goal is to do it without Congress. A dictatorship is the goal.

If a Republican were doing this, ruling without Congress, the national media would be screaming about his inability to work with the Legislative branch.

But 99% of the national and local media have their faces buried in Obama’s butt. So no criticism is found.


36 posted on 01/07/2013 9:39:05 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Of COURSE the goal is to do it without Congress. A dictatorship is the goal.

If a Republican were doing this, ruling without Congress, the national media would be screaming about his inability to work with the Legislative branch.

But 99% of the national and local media have their faces buried in Obama’s butt. So no criticism is found.


37 posted on 01/07/2013 9:40:25 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Disambiguator

I saw that too, must be the new MIRV (like on ballistic missiles) rounds.


38 posted on 01/07/2013 9:42:38 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The one we gun owners need to watch closely is what Liberals keep referring to as the “Gun Show Loophole.”

What they're calling a Gun Show Loophole is when private citizens meet at gun shows and buy or sell guns from other private citizens and no background check is made. When no background check is made to determine whether or not the buyer is a felon or mentally incompetent, the possibility exists that you have just sold a firearm to a felon or a nut.

Liberals say that if we will just pass a law that closes this “Gun Show Loophole,” gun buyers at Gun Shows will have to purchase their guns only from licensed gun dealers with a Federal Firearms License (FFL) at the Gun Show and a background check will be made to determine the eligibility of the buyer.

This law, if passed, may sound reasonable to some, but what that law will do is make it illegal to sell or trade guns among your friends and relatives, but criminals and the mentally disturbed will continue to purchase their guns from the trunk of the car of the guy parked in the alley behind Wal-Mart who also sells marijuana, cocaine, etc., etc.

Let your elected representatives know that they must not pass laws that will take freedom from law abiding citizens but will not change in the slightest how criminals attain firearms in this country.

39 posted on 01/07/2013 9:47:54 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

unless you’re under the executive branch, you have NO obligation to follow ANY executive orders


40 posted on 01/07/2013 9:56:56 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: BCW
use this crisis to take away more freedoms - but let’s open the flood gates on abortion - alcohol abuse - legal marijuana usage that will results in more vehicle deaths and other criminal activity

So only certain problems should be used to take away more freedoms, eh?

41 posted on 01/07/2013 10:07:34 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Obama is certainly the most evil person ever to set foot in our White House. What worries me though is that enough real (parasitic but not fictional or dead) Americans voted for him that the far left’s fraud could push him over the top. America is in incredible trouble. If Obama acts on these silly trial balloons, the only good news is that it will trigger a final conflict between those who support freedom and the far left. I will not be cheering for Obama’s side when that happens.


42 posted on 01/07/2013 3:28:24 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This man IS working for an entity other than we the people.

We should persue that course. Find out who he is working for, and what the goal really is. I believe it is the total destruction of this Nation as a World power, and making it so costly as to recoup our status that the entity this man is working for would be free to manipulate the World the way they want it.

Who, what is behind the NWO? We know their tool to take out the World is the U.N., and their tool to take us out is Obama, but who are they, and why are we apparently so damned helpless?

Soros is a player, so I don’t need that from anybody. Maurice Strong is a player as well. Who else, and what do they call themselves? I know what I call them.


43 posted on 01/07/2013 8:40:19 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This could very well trigger a second American civil war as Patrick Buchanian warned about.


44 posted on 01/07/2013 8:41:48 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This man IS working for an entity other than we the people.

We should persue that course. Find out who he is working for, and what the goal really is. I believe it is the total destruction of this Nation as a World power, and making it so costly as to recoup our status that the entity this man is working for would be free to manipulate the World the way they want it.

Who, what is behind the NWO? We know their tool to take out the World is the U.N., and their tool to take us out is Obama, but who are they, and why are we apparently so damned helpless?

Soros is a player, so I don’t need that from anybody. Maurice Strong is a player as well. Who else, and what do they call themselves? I know what I call them.


45 posted on 01/07/2013 8:43:06 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: RC one

How does one disregard it? It will be in effect until a higher or different authority repeals or undoes it.


46 posted on 01/07/2013 8:57:32 PM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I can still hear the echos of some particularly obnoxious loudmouths here who were telling us that Romney was as bad as Obama. Really? They posted the same graphics and crap over and over and over and over. Well, they got your way. Of course Obama is going to sidestep Congress. The Constitution means nothing to him.


47 posted on 01/07/2013 9:04:46 PM PST by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

He takes everything else he wants via executive order.

Why wouldn’t he take this?


48 posted on 01/07/2013 9:13:34 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

post 47 should have been === they got “their” way. I was not referring to you, TJ.


49 posted on 01/07/2013 9:14:02 PM PST by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: Chuzzlewit

“if so, then watch it get the fast track to the SPOTUS... no way it would pass muster”

John Roberts can not be trusted with a sack of rocks
much less one or any of our constitutional rights.


50 posted on 01/07/2013 9:29:00 PM PST by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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