Posted on 01/07/2013 7:40:26 AM PST by DogByte6RER
Arnold Schwarzenegger says 'Terminator' and other violent movies shouldn't be blamed for mass shootings
Arnold Schwarzenegger may be one of the world's biggest action stars but the former governor of California says violence in films is entertainment and should not be linked to tragic events like the Connecticut school shooting in which 20 children died.
The star of films such as 'The Terminator,' 'Predator' and 'True Lies' told a press conference ahead of the opening of his new movie, 'The Last Stand,' that 'one has to keep (the two) separate.'
'(This is) entertainment and the other thing is a tragedy beyond belief. It's really serious and it's the real deal,' Schwarzenegger, 65, told reporters.
The actor, who will star in his first leading role in the film since serving as California governor for seven years, said the tragedy in which a gunman killed 20 children and six staff at the Sandy Hook Elementary School on December 14, is about more than just guns.
'We have to analyze how we deal with mental illness, how we deal with gun laws, how we deal with parenting,' he said.
In 'The Last Stand,' Schwarzenegger plays a retired Los Angeles policeman who becomes a border town sheriff who must stop a violent drug lord from crossing the border.
The film, with its violent scenes, is the type of movie that National Rifle Association chief Wayne LaPierre recently cited as a contributing factor to the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.
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I see idiot libs wrecking the country daily. . Not normal to me. Why? I know better.
Why don’t kids ‘know better??
There’s the source of the problem.
The “kids” (most of them) get their ideas of normal from schools and the media. That is the problem. Normal people are never shown on TV anymore. Is there a female character on a prime time show who isn’t a slut? Is there a big “teen” movie out where sex and drugs are not glorified?
Are there government schools not encouraging kids to have sex aand giving out condoms?
I don’t care what they are watching/playing etc. The fact is that when a parent teaches and a kid understnds the difference between right and wrong and fantasy/reality, you solve most of the problems we face. Be it violent whatever/porn or cupcakes.
If I make/ force you go to a mosque and worship Allah, or make your kid do it, they/you are not going to suddenly kill infidels and beat women for showing ankles.
Why not?
You know right from wrong. You possess morality. And you taught it to your kid.
Most of the psycho kids do not have that. They were never taught the difference beteween TV and Reality. Right from wrong.
You deny that? I don’t think you would. and so my argument stands.
with the schools and media fighting parents every step of the way and more parents than ever having gone through the same process and not engaged, its getting worse and worse.
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Moviegoers tweet desire to kill white people after watching “djano unchained”
Maybe he can't make that distinction. From bio of his early years, his upbringing was not so great. No father, mother went out on a lot of "dates", etc.
There you go.
Most of them are guaranteed to be from broken homes and you have the added ‘benefit’ of having them told from birth the opposite of good/evil/fantasy/reality.
They were told violence against whites id desirable. They did not watch a movie and suddenly rush to the net to tell everyone about this cool new idea they had.
They hate whitey with no movie or video game required. And you KNOW that is the Gods honest truth.
I’d like to add to your comment if I may. To say that violence in video games and movies have no effect on the behavior of those watching it would is wrong. Just look at how pornography effects those who watch and read it. So if movie violence doesn’t stimulate some ideas in some people, how can they account for the effects of pornography on people?
Would a child exposed to porn suffer any ill effects? I’m sure they would. So how can someone say that a child who views numerous acts of violence, either in movies or video games (where they take part in the violence) isn’t at all effected by that violence?
Some people seem to be in major denial at this thought.
Every thing we see and do has an effect on what we do.
But there is a hall of a difference between an effect and a cause. That’s the problem people cannot differentiate.
If movies ‘caused’ violence, the vast majority of people would commit violence. It’s that simple. And the rare few that did not would at least think violent thoughts.
In reality, most people have seen violent movies/porn/games/whatever..
In reality most porn watchers are not rapists.
In reality, most people are not violent murderers torturers or cosmic space force Marines.
In reality the millions of gamers are not killers.
So there is a dilemma. If movies cause all this grief, then they do a piss poor job of it. Because the reality that you and I live in does not look like the fantasy on the TV.
Does it?
Why not? I really want to know how reality so thoroughly discredits the theory. I want to know if a bunch of right wing hand wringers and left wing banhappy zealots have a verifiable explanation.
Because any genuine scientist will tell you that when reality does not match the theory, it is not reality that is incorrect.
Nature or nurture, what is it that make us who we are?
Personally I do not believe it is an either or question, it is both.
It is my opinion that there are three condition in which a child can be born into. Pure Good, normal, pure evil. Most of us are somewhere in the middle.
Someone that is on the pure good side of the line will turn out okay regardless of their environment or upbringing. It is in their nature to be good.
Someone that is on the evil side of the line will turn out bad regardless of they type of environment they were brought up in (which explains why children of “good” families will go bad.
Fortunately most of us fall with in the middle and can be taught to be good or in the right environment taught to be bad.
A society’s primary function is to see to the survival of that society. Every successful society has rules that fall outside of any legal systems. Call them manners, call them taboos, call them right from wrong. These rules are usually enforced by the group as a whole.
As an example, up until recent history, out of wedlock children were rare but now it is quite common and if I can say, acceptable. There were no laws against out of wedlock children so why was it rare?
Shame, society made it difficult for a woman (or girl) that got pregnant. On an individual level, that was a heavy burden on the young mother. But the example she made gave strength to other girls and woman to say NO and have that no accepted.
Why did society condemn unwed mothers? Most people never gave it a thought, but there were reasons. We are living with the effect of that taboo being sent to the rubbish heap of history today with several generations of children that have never known a father.
Most often few people think about why some things are allowed and other are not. And often we think just how unfair it is to the individual. And it is unfair to individuals, but the opposite of order is chaos. Society can not exist in chaos. With out boundaries societies can not exist.
Maybe this is what destroys all civilizations in the end. They get so large they forget the reasons they had rules of civilizations and decided to throw out all the rules never realizing they have undercut the very foundation of their society.
Did he make this comment while “schtoopin” the maid???
I want one of those.
The weapon, not the guy.
Many very good points. And all those civilizations killed each other daily without ever knowing the concept of a movie or video game. Because people will always contain an element of the bad that thrives on chaos and evil, summed up ironically by Alfred’s line in the Dark Night. “Some people just want to watch the world burn’.
Except for Libya. We know for a absolute fact that a movie caused that violence... /s
“if especially impressionable children (and adults) see images of violence/sex in the media and games all the freaking time they will come to believe that it is normal”
Oh no! The poor children might find out about sex before their wedding night, or might find out that sometimes people get their heads blown off because the world is an ugly place. That’s a shame.
Now explain why that is a reason to start fiddling around with the 1st Amendment.
I didn’t say we should fiddle with the first amendment.
Government F-ing your kids is not them “finding out” about it.
The government-media complex is actively raping the minds of kids, and it does have an effect.
That is what I am saying, it does have an effect
“So how can someone say that a child who views numerous acts of violence, either in movies or video games (where they take part in the violence) isn’t at all effected by that violence?”
I don’t think anyone really believes there is no effect, however, there are millions and millions of “test subjects” who have viewed countless such acts of simulated violence, and there are not millions and millions of violent psychopaths. Therefore, whatever effect the depictions have, they do not seem to be churning out murderers.
when government shows porn to kids, tells them its okay to sleep around at 11, hands them a condom and says “have fun”.
You think the first amendment covers that?
When government funded orgs are handing out booklets that tell teens and kids with HIV-AIDS they do not have to tell their “partners” about their disease, this is also first amendment?
I don’t agree. I think its a crime.
“I didn’t say we should fiddle with the first amendment.”
Well, sorry, but you replied to my response about why government regulation of eating establishments is different than the media, so I assumed you were advocating more government regulation.
“The government-media complex is actively raping the minds of kids, and it does have an effect.”
Well, keep your kids away from them, that’s what I would advise.
Send in the BATFE to clear movies and TV of guns, explosives, violins, tobaccky, wacky tobaccy and alcohol.
“I don’t agree. I think its a crime.”
It could be, but it depends on the local obscenity standards. The Supreme Court has refused time and again to set a specific federal standard, because what is obscene in Biloxi may be par for the course in San Francisco.
If you want to stop the local schools from promoting that trash, then get your local authorities to enforce the local obscenity laws. You’re not going to get anywhere on the federal level, it’s a dead end.
But a you tube video can get an ambassador killed.
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