Posted on 01/08/2013 7:16:16 AM PST by SeekAndFind
If votes in every state were awarded by congressional district, President-elect Romney would be planning his inauguration right now.
According to the Cook Political Report, Mitt Romney won roughly about 52 percent of the congressional districts.
Currently, all states except for Maine and Nebraska award electoral votes on a winner-takes-all basis. Long-term, that looks like a worrisome trend for the GOP. Several formerly red strongholds, including Georgia and Arizona, are becoming more Democratic. Still, demographics are not destiny and if Republicans succeed in winning over more Hispanics than they have in recent years, for instance, these states could well remain red.
If states stop awarding votes on a winner-take-all basis, Republicans could also win — and without necessarily getting more votes. Determining Electoral College voting by congressional districts represents one obvious opportunity for Republicans: In that scenario, the effect of urban Democratic strongholds (such as those Philadelphia precincts where Obama was supported by 99 percent of voters) would be isolated. Instead of shifting the entire state’s electoral votes, those precincts would only influence their congressional districts.
Fair Vote, an organization that advocates switching the presidential-election process to a national popular vote, analyzed six possible new scenarios in six swing states that went blue this year despite having Republican state legislatures and governors. (They were Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Virginia, and Florida.) In two of the scenarios — proportional and a slight variation on proportional — Obama still would have won, despite the proportional awarding of votes in those six states.
But if votes had been awarded by congressional districts, Romney would have won in two of three scenarios. In the first situation, in which most of the electoral votes were awarded based on congressional-district outcomes but two of them were given to the candidate who had won the most votes overall in the state, Obama narrowly edged out Romney, with 270 votes to Romney’s 268. But in the other two scenarios — in which two electoral votes were awarded proportionally, or to whichever candidate had won the most congressional districts (not votes) — Romney would have won. In the first case, the final national electoral count would have been 274 for Romney and 264 for Obama; in the second, 280 for Romney and 258 for Obama.
In other words, if 44 states and D.C. kept their policies exactly the same, Republican state legislators in these particular six states could still succeed in paving a much easier path for a GOP presidential candidate by changing the way electoral votes are awarded.
Whether there is genuine — and sustainable — interest in doing that is another matter. According to Michigan-based Gownger News Service, state representative Peter Lund, a Republican, will re-introduce this year in the state legislature his bill to award electoral votes by congressional district. In Pennsylvania in December, state senate majority leader Dominic Pileggi said he wants to start distributing the electoral votes proportionally. “Senior Republicans say they will try to leverage their party’s majorities in Democratic-leaning states in an effort to end the winner-take-all system of awarding electoral votes,” National Journal’s Reid Wilson reported last month. ”Instead, bills that will be introduced in several Democratic states would award electoral votes on a proportional basis.”
Another way Republicans could overcome their disadvantage, as the number of red states shrinks, would be to embrace the national popular vote. Having a national popular vote would lead to entirely different campaigns — think far fewer stops in Ohio, and far more in partisan strongholds like California and Texas — which could potentially swing voters who are more inclined to thoughtlessly vote the party line when they perceive their vote as not counting. Saul Anuzis, a former Michigan GOP chair and a consultant to the National Popular Vote organization, argues that switching the system to a popular vote would also make it significantly harder to commit fraud that would swing presidential elections. Instead of having to affect tens of thousands of votes in a swing state, he observes, the candidate would now have to fraudulently obtain millions of votes across the country.
Whether it’s politically prudent for Republicans to push any of these measures is unclear, much less whether it’s a good idea on principle. But for those frustrated over 2012’s results, it might be worth thinking about whether it’s time to overhaul the system itself.
— Katrina Trinko is an NRO reporter.
RE: Socialist-statist
Was Mitt more of a socialist-statist than the one we have now?
How about the conservatives who were NOT elected this time around?
Count them — Allen West, Richard Mourdock, Todd Akin ... and oh yeah, let’s not forget conservative, Paul Ryan LOSING his own home state as well as losing his own home town, Janesville.
Ifs were fifths we’d all be drunk.
Take the exact same scenario (don’t forget, BO won the popular vote) and add the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact(132 EVs)( forget for now, whether it’s constitutional or not)...who wins ?
The fact that Willard is a Socialist and a statist is what made him 100% unacceptable.
As for “Conservatives” who did not win, let’s review:
Allen West - victim of voter fraud and so-called “fair district” initiative to bolster Democrat seats in FL.
Todd Akin - leading handily in the polls until he violated the Clayton Williams rule of discussing the issue of rape.
Richard Mourdock - Pulled a Todd Akin.
So let’s see, 1 candidate who had a race stolen from him and 2 candidates whose own mouths destroyed their candidacies.
As for Paul Ryan, he wasn’t the Presidential nominee. Had he been, he probably would’ve carried Wisconsin. People still vote for the Presidential candidate more than the VP. As for not carrying Janesville/Rock County, I might remind you that no GOP Presidential candidate has carried that county since 1984.
The 140% BS started because some precincts used a ballot so long that it took two pages. The software reported that as two separate ballots, but it was two ballots per voter, producing a turnout of 70%, not 140%. BO was shown as getting 100% of the vote in some precincts but no, much less "numerous", counties.
In case you want to temper your paranoid ravings with any facts.
I have long noticed that idea - most electoral votes awarded by election district, and the two extra votes awarded by the candidate who won a majority of the state’s districts - is not only sensible but is not contrary to the intent of the electoral college system itself
in fact, the idea represents the best idea of the electoral college idea - the president is the candidate that wins MOST OF THE COUNTRY, not necessarily most of the popular vote - and winning more election districts reflects more of the country than does any popular vote, and reflects more of the country than does rewarding all a state’s electoral college votes based on popular vote rather than district by district
Republican presidential candidates, regardless of the popular vote, and regardless of the final electoral college vote outcomes in the current system, AND reflecting GOP advancement in state legislatures and state governorships, have been winning more election districts (more of the country) while Liberal President district wins have increasingly been concentrated in the largest cities and the academic-centered cities (as if we had to wonder why).
The ones who ultimately have to pay should be the ones who ultimately have the say...
Planned Parenthood carpeted the DC music stations (particularly country) with anti-Romney ads (your tax money at work). Every 10 minutes we would hear a woman telling women that Romney can't be trusted on the economy and of course he will take away the right to control your own body.
Of course it was voter fraud.
Surely no one believes America voted to reelect the Marxist/Muslim usurper- the worst president in American history?
Can't you just imagine the above was the scene with Obama and his Commie staff after stealing the election through voter fraud- while Conservatives blame Romney, argue, point fingers, blather on about who to run in four years, 'starting a new party', and try to figure out how to suck up to minorities the 'next time'?
Next time? What makes them think the massive voter fraud in this last farce of an election won't be repeated? If we don't clean up our voting system, there may not be a next time. We may not see another Republican president in our lifetime
Map from Barack Obama Voter Fraud 2012
What most refuse to acknowledge is that it was unlikely that ANYBODY could have beaten the voter fraud planned and perpetrated by the criminal Obama machine. They seem to prefer pointing fingers, blaming Romney and blathering on about who to run in 2016 and how to suck up to the minorities.
>Polls indicated that Romney was going to win the election.
>The economy is close to Great Depression era conditions, and unemployment is almost as high as when Obama entered office.
>Economic conditions became so dire after Obama took office it prompted the rise of an entire new movement, the Tea Party.
>Presidents rarely win reelection when the economy is in the tank.
>Mitt knew it too, when he was met by several thousand in that parking garage cheering him when he arrived unannounced at that airport, and he put his hand over his heart and said, 'This is how you know you've won'.
So how did Romney lose a race that numerous reputable polls and pundits predicted would be an easy win, based on historical patterns?
Massive voter fraud.
That and no other reason
Almost every major Conservative website has put out an article charging voter fraud- Breitbart, American Thinker, Atlas Shrugs, WND, The Blaze, Front Page Magazine, Fox News, The Daily Caller, Town Hall, Human Events, Canada Free Press...
We cannot wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America. That's what people fail to understand.
We must act NOW.
Start with the election. If we let the Rats get away with this massive voter fraud, we're no better than a bananna republic.
We must keep digging and pounding him every day, in every way we can- phony birth certificate, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, his hidden life, records....
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Col Allen West; "I don't want to see America become like Zimbabwe where people don’t trust their electoral process. If we cannot trust the integrity of the voting system then we are no longer a free republic".
Col West has opened the door.
We must fight election fraud.
It falls on ‘We the People’.
Silence is consent
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The website,'Barack Obama Vote Fraud 2012' is keeping a running account of cases of voter fraud and what to do about it:
Visit the site- Here
Astonishing!
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Photo of SOMALIANS brought to Ohio voting stations by the busload, 95% of whom did not speak English, and told to vote for Obama, straight Dem ticket- Here
'Human Events', report pollwatcher eyewitness to busload of Somalians at Ohio poll, spoke no English, told to vote Obama Here
Republican pole watchers; busloads of Somalians brought in Here
THE JEWISH TASK FORCE makes a excellent case that Mitt defeated Obama in 2012, if not for fraud. Here
Another poll watcher observes voter fraud Here
Spanish Company Associated w/Geo. Soros Will “Count” America's Votes Overseas In November Here
CANADA FREE PRESS: Here
WND List of voter fraud reports Here
ATLAS SHRUGS voter fraud list. Here
Hannity and Col Allan West slam voter fraud on 'Hannity' after the election Nov 12- Here
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Believe it or not, there ARE patriots out there who are going to FIGHT Obama's reelection- unlike the spineless Republicans who remain silent!
Visit the website; 'The Competent Conservative'
'These elections are NOT certified yet. The only way to get this investigated, much less recounted or overturned, is through the Secretary of State of each of the five key states: Florida, Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. EVEN IF YOU ARE IN ANOTHER STATE you can help. But it won’t do any good to dilute our effort to challenge California or Michigan or other states. Until a major group gets involved to do more, here is the plan: Contact the Secretary of State of the state in question. See contact information below... '
Visit the website, 'Halt Voter Fraud':
'This election is not over - YET. Obama has not been elected by the Electoral College - YET. The Presidential election is being stolen from us with "Chicago Style" thuggery - and we can STOP the thieves in their tracks. But we do not have time on our side. This is our LAST chance. Don't give up. We must act now.
If massive voter fraud has occured as alleged by so many, and if the state vote counts include these FRAUDULENT votes, then is it logical to say that the entire state vote is COMPROMISED and can't be trusted? 59,000,000 Americans might agree!
The state vote is used to determine the allocation of Electors in the Electoral College which actually elects the President and Vice President.
If the vote count is FRAUDULENT, FLAWED, and CAN'T BE TRUSTED - and if the Electors have been FRAUDULENTLY allocated based on FLAWED vote counts - then WE CANNOT ALLOW THE GOVERNORS TO SIGN THEIR CERTIFICATES of ASCERTAINMENT on December 17th. We can stop this if we ACT IMMEDIATELY.
***** CALL TO ARMS ***** FIVE STATE CAPITOLS ***** SEVEN DAYS *******
Patriots must rally NOW in the State Capitols of Harrisburg,PA - Richmond, VA - Tallahassee, FL - Columbus, OH, and Madison, WI ****** MASSIVE RALLIES ** *** PATRIOT LEADERS ORGANIZE YOUR LOCAL EFFORTS NOW, coordinate with the other PATRIOT groups as they also rally, let us know who you are and how you will respond, how we can help.
Remember the Battle of Trenton?
We can make HISTORY TODAY.'
More- Here
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Obama Voter Fraud on FaceBook- Here
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Sign this petition- almost 117,000 and counting -cards, email- Here
Sign the ‘We The People’ petition. It has 60,000 signatures and counting- Here
Click and sign the petition for a recount Here-
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Must watch videos!
VIDEO-- Programmer Testifies About Rigging Elections With Vote Counting- Here
VIDEO- Illegal Aliens Caught Voting and Stealing Elections In Florida In Vast Numbers- Here
VIDEO- MICHAEL SAVAGE: How Obama fixed the 2012 election- Here
VIDEO- Massive voter fraud discovered in April- Here
VIDEO- Whistle blower speaks out about voter fraud- Here
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Voter fraud from Tea Party: Here
The American Dream- 22 Signs That Voter Fraud Is Wildly Out Of Control And The Election Was A Sham: Here
Town Hall : Obama Likely Won The Election Through Voter Fraud: Here
American Thinker: Was The Election Stolen:? Here
WSVN-TV Almost 1K Ballots Found In Broward Elections Warehouse: Here
Pundit Press; In Florida Obama Got Over 99% In Broward County Precincts: Here
Natural News.com: 19,605 to Zero IS Statistical Proof Of Outright Vote Fraud in 2012 Presidential Election: Here
Realville, USA: The Great Election Robbery of 2012? Here
WND: Here's How Touchscreens Killed Romney Votes: Here
The American Dream: Election Fraud? Obama Won More Than 99% Of The Vote in More Than 100 Ohio Precincrs: Here
WND: The Big List Of Voter Fraud Reports: Here
Nachum's List of Voter Fraud: Here
MORE:
Newt Gingrich 360: Here
Appalachian Forums: Here
Before It's News: Here
WND: Here
Political Outcast: Here
True The Vote: Here
Fox News Insider: Here
Human Events; Here
The Will County News: Here
Fox News: Here
WND: Here
Townhall: Here
Breitbart Here
Accuracy In Media The Left's national voter fraud strategy exposed: Here
Thousands of military votes uncounted or missing: Here
Human Events: Here
Front Page Magazine: Here
The Blaze Here
The Daily Caller: Here
Front Page Magazine Here
Military Voter Protection Project: Here
BreitBart Here
Townhall: Here
Fox News Here
The Blaze Here
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The best Obama Exposure site on the net, The Obama File: Here
The United StatesLibrary of Congress has selected TheObamaFile.com for inclusion in its historic collection of Internet materials Here
Not surprised at all.
Hey, just a couple facts . . . they are such troubling things, aren't they? Keep drinkin' the Kool-Aid!
What most refuse to acknowledge is that it was unlikely that ANYBODY could have beaten the voter fraud planned and perpetrated by the criminal Obama machine. They seem to prefer pointing fingers, blaming Romney and blathering on about who to run in 2016 and how to suck up to the minorities.
Polls indicated that Romney was going to win the election.
The economy is close to Great Depression era conditions, and unemployment is almost as high as when Obama entered office.
Economic conditions became so dire after Obama took office it prompted the rise of an entire new movement, the Tea Party.
Presidents rarely win reelection when the economy is in the tank.
Mitt knew it too, when he was met by several thousand in that parking garage cheering him when he arrived unannounced at that airport, and he put his hand over his heart and said, 'This is how you know you've won'.
So how did Romney lose a race that numerous reputable polls and pundits predicted would be an easy win, based on historical patterns?
Massive voter fraud.
That and no other reason
Almost every major Conservative website has put out an article charging voter fraud- Breitbart, American Thinker, Atlas Shrugs, WND, The Blaze, Front Page Magazine, Fox News, The Daily Caller, Town Hall, Human Events, Canada Free Press...
We cannot wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned destruction of America. That's what people fail to understand.
What are you, 3? You're like a little child throwing a tantrum.
Try taking your stolen election conspiracy theories to most conservative sites or talk shows and they'll throw you off. In the end the election wasn't even that close. Blaming our loss on fraud is just an excuse to avoid accepting that the country isn't with us at the moment. The Democrats cried and whined about fraud in 2000 and 2004 and kept their conspiracy theories till they started winning.
Golly, one has forgotten about hanging chads and other goofy things that happened back then . . . but then again, facts are tough things to accept. I accept your apology.
Yes, the fact is we lost by 5 million votes. Not a couple hundred, not a couple thousands, not a couple hundred thousand, no, we lost by 5 million votes. It wasn't even really close. Trying to blame election fraud on our defeat is simply to stick your head in the sand and refuse to accept reality. We lost, get over it and be ready to fight again next time around.
My point was that your "facts" are false. Dullard.
It’s a crying shame nobody has the spine to go against the mulatto and do something about this.
It could be because of both FEAR about not being called the “r-word”.
.....And despite what some of the other posts say, VOTER FRAUD has been made into a fine art by the Democrats.
I wish we could literally divide it.
But will we ever get a level playing field? Will our side be allowed to lie and distort and have the media represent conservatives 24 /7? Will our side be able to take questionable donations with no objections? Will our next candidate be able to present two different birth certificates electronically and get away with it?
Right.
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