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Air Force memo outlines sweeping budget cuts
Yahoo News ^ | 1/11/2013 | Lolita Baldor

Posted on 01/13/2013 7:42:23 PM PST by ducttape45

WASHINGTON (AP) — Air Force leaders will cut flying hours by nearly 20 percent and prepare for a possible end to all noncombat or noncritical flights from late July through September if Congress can't agree on a budget and billions of dollars in automatic cuts are triggered.

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1 posted on 01/13/2013 7:42:27 PM PST by ducttape45
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To: ducttape45

This is the deal:

We must stop outsourcing jobs now.

Bring back US jobs.


2 posted on 01/13/2013 7:44:42 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: ducttape45

The Tyrant will do for the Air Force and military
EXACTLY what he did to NASA.


3 posted on 01/13/2013 7:44:59 PM PST by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: ducttape45

This whole budget ordeal has a lot of people in civil service scared. Many of the guys in my shop are worried their positions will be cut.


4 posted on 01/13/2013 7:47:03 PM PST by ducttape45 (Can you tell I'm angry?)
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To: ducttape45

just do it....the military is just as bloated as the rest of the federal govt....


5 posted on 01/13/2013 7:48:46 PM PST by cherry
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To: ducttape45

Military spending is going the way of cops and firemen and teachers anyway.

The employment cost is increasing hugely.


6 posted on 01/13/2013 7:52:29 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: cherry
If AF pilots don't burn holes in empty sky, they can't perform well during wartime. That costs a lot of $$s. Just like boots can't perform well without going to the field and practicing.

I say cut the unconstitutional crap and keep the Constitutional stuff like defense.

/johnny

7 posted on 01/13/2013 7:57:55 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: cherry

I’l be more inclined to agree with you when we hear that shrimp treadmill program has finally gotten the axe.


8 posted on 01/13/2013 7:59:38 PM PST by pfflier
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To: cherry

“just do it....the military is just as bloated as the rest of the federal govt....”

No doubt the military is bloated. However, this is NOT getting rid of bloat...it is curtailing training to maintain military readiness. A military that does not train is a military unable to do its job when necessary.

I AM NOT advocating caving in to Obama to save military readiness. However, we need not be naive about what some of this process will produce...a military weak and leaving us vulnerable to attack.


9 posted on 01/13/2013 8:02:50 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I agree, johnny.
How about we park Airforce 1, and quit shuttling Moochelle
around the globe, so we can scramble a few jets for pilot
training?


10 posted on 01/13/2013 8:03:04 PM PST by Fireone (Impeach and imprison, NOW! Treason and murder are still crimes.)
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To: ducttape45
...possible end to all noncombat or noncritical flights

Including $50 Million vacations for the First Mooch and her snarling posse?

Congressional "fact-finding" junkets?

11 posted on 01/13/2013 8:06:12 PM PST by digger48
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To: Diogenesis

I want to keep a strong military.


12 posted on 01/13/2013 8:12:47 PM PST by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: Big Horn
I want to keep a strong military.

Spend time at the range, then, and do a little PT every day. When it comes down to it, we, the people, are it.

/johnny

13 posted on 01/13/2013 8:21:49 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ducttape45
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14 posted on 01/13/2013 8:33:17 PM PST by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: cherry

Don’t you know that pointing out how bloated and wasteful the military is on FR is a capital crime? Prepare for lectures on how “out-moded” our aircraft carriers are and how unprepared we are for a massive invasion by Canada or something, and for these reasons and more we should never question military spending.

Teacher’s unions or people protecting their defense jobs—I can hardly tell a difference, the methods and arguments are all the same.


15 posted on 01/13/2013 8:38:55 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (http://rw-rebirth.blogspot.com/)
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To: Sola Veritas

“I AM NOT advocating caving in to Obama to save military readiness. However, we need not be naive about what some of this process will produce...a military weak and leaving us vulnerable to attack.”

I know that my response will grate with you and many reading it, but I think our military [so long as it remains under Obama’s control] should indeed be cut.

Considering how the Obamunnists are trying (and succeeding) in politicizing the armed forces and using them to further their agenda, perhaps the best thing we can do is to give him (and the ‘rat communists) as little to work with as possible. The left would turn the forces at their disposal upon us, if they could.

Time and time again here on FR, I’ve heard the phrase used “starve the beast”. Right now the United States military has been transmogrified into an agent of that beast.

Once Obama is gone, it will be time for a “restoration” of the military to its traditional role. Then we should support it and rebuild it, as did Reagan in his time.

But ‘til then, starve the beast.

(Moderators, if you consider this reply inappropriate for the tenor of FR, please remove it)


16 posted on 01/13/2013 8:40:26 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: Sola Veritas

Come on, this reminds me of my state cutting back DMV hours when it had a ‘budget crisis’ instead of cutting the superfluous ‘bloat’ in it’s budget.

It worked for my state: they got the tax increase they wanted. I’m suspicious that the Air Force brass is hoping the same strategy will work for them.


17 posted on 01/13/2013 8:40:49 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Sola Veritas

Attack from whom? Even defunded, no military on Earth is a match for ours. Terrorists? What good did our aircraft carriers and stealth bombers do on the morning of 9/11?


18 posted on 01/13/2013 8:42:38 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (http://rw-rebirth.blogspot.com/)
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To: ducttape45

Cuts like this are showing up in all the agencies and I don’t have a problem with that. Don’t know about DoD but CMS could trim alot of its bloat and still get the work done.

My question is this: my son is studying for the ASVAB right now and planning to test next month. How do these cuts appear in recruiting? Unless I missed it this article doesn’t really touch on that. My son talks to his recruiter regularly and never hears about hiring or recruiting freezes. Yet one of my friend’s son was riffed last year. So it appears to be an ongoing thing. Should he prepare for a plan B?


19 posted on 01/13/2013 8:43:46 PM PST by Badabing Badablonde (New to the internet? CLICK HERE)
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To: LifeComesFirst; cherry

Spoken like a true libertarian. The Invisible Hand will protect us.

Or if China decides to flex its newfound muscle we will simply hire them to defend us from themselves. Planning ahead is so over-rated.


20 posted on 01/13/2013 8:45:01 PM PST by Pelham (Betrayal, it's not just for Democrats anymore.)
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To: Dick Vomer

To #14: OMG! Viper sighted. FLEE!!!

I swear I’ll never look at another woman again!


21 posted on 01/13/2013 8:54:53 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: ducttape45

cut out all the vacation travel on air force one. that’d save probably a hundred million dollars over the next four years.


22 posted on 01/13/2013 9:22:14 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: ducttape45

Aim low in the US CHAir Force...


23 posted on 01/13/2013 9:24:05 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ducttape45

“...a possible end to all noncombat or noncritical flights.”

I suppose that would include Air Force One.


24 posted on 01/13/2013 9:28:28 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: JRandomFreeper
I say cut the unconstitutional crap and keep the Constitutional stuff like defense.

I'd refine that to retain combat readiness and protect military pay and allowances. There's alot of PC, social engineering unconstitutional crap intertwined into the defense budget.

25 posted on 01/13/2013 9:34:19 PM PST by TADSLOS ( "I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians."-George Mason)
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To: ducttape45

Lot of comments from people on this thread who are clueless as to the military, its capabilities and requirements, the threats it needs to respond to, the equipment demanded for its mission, and the training demands it requires.

And these same people ridicule the “low information” Obama voters?


26 posted on 01/13/2013 9:38:16 PM PST by oldbill
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To: oldbill

Nigga please..they are doing the same old sh!t that city/counties do...act like the world is coming to an end - complain about losing vital services...when all they have to do is cut down on some “non-value-added” beaurocrats.

It’s a standard approach...pretend that you have to cut essential services - when what you really need to do id cut out some fat.


27 posted on 01/13/2013 10:08:24 PM PST by DJlaysitup
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To: Badabing Badablonde

I would suggest that he have a plan B, in case Congress passes something inane, Obama does something by executive order, and/or the sequestration goes through.


28 posted on 01/13/2013 10:12:10 PM PST by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

huh? this is the deal we must cut spending....not all military spending is sacred.


29 posted on 01/13/2013 10:28:23 PM PST by Nifster
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To: DJlaysitup

Being an active duty F-15 Crew Chief I kind of like this idea. Cutting flying hours by 20% could mean more time to actually fix these worn out, 25 year old pieces of junk. No Fly Fridays, sweet. That’s 18,000-24,000 gallons of fuel saved, countless man hours in mx saved, don’t forget. One less day of a Major telling me the landing gear “felt” like they were slow to retract, not sure though.


30 posted on 01/13/2013 11:19:55 PM PST by Antihero101607
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To: LifeComesFirst

Don’t forget Canada has 90% of their population massed within 100 miles of the American border, don’tcha know, eh?

The Canadians. They walk among us. William Shatner. Michael J. Fox. Monty Hall. Mike Meyers. Alex Trebek. All of them Canadians. All of them here. They’ve infiltrated our borders. Think of your children pledging allegiance to the maple leaf. Mayonnaise on everything. Winter 11 months of the year. Anne Murray - all day, every day.


31 posted on 01/14/2013 5:07:06 AM PST by Biff55 (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets.)
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To: Antihero101607
One less day of a Major telling me the landing gear “felt” like they were slow to retract, not sure though.

From an old weapons troop; "Corrective action; Repaired short between the headsets."

32 posted on 01/14/2013 5:11:22 AM PST by Wilum (Never loaded a nuke I didn't like)
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To: ducttape45

hmmmmm, I guess $600B doesn’t go as far as it used to.


33 posted on 01/14/2013 5:14:45 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: mrsmith

Exactly...
And now the guy responsible for that extortion is a senator and will probably be re-elected because the stoopid party won’t even bring this up...
Sheesh, OK is looking better and better....


34 posted on 01/14/2013 5:59:00 AM PST by matginzac
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To: Pelham

China has no incentive to go to war with such a large trading partner. Capitalism brings peace.


35 posted on 01/14/2013 12:14:10 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (http://rw-rebirth.blogspot.com/)
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To: ducttape45

Maybe the Air Force can cut those $10 billion satellite programs that never launch and fly airplanes instead.


36 posted on 01/14/2013 12:27:33 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Antihero101607; Wilum
One less day of a Major telling me the landing gear “felt” like they were slow to retract, not sure though.

FYI… ;)

Apparently, after every flight, Qantas pilots fill out a form, called a 'gripe sheet', which tells mechanics about problems with the aircraft. The mechanics correct the problems; document their repairs on the form, and then pilots review the gripe sheets before the next flight.

Never let it be said that ground crews lack a sense of humour. Here are some actual maintenance complaints submitted by Qantas' Pilots and the solutions recorded by maintenance engineers.

Pilots: Left inside main tire almost needs replacement.
Engineers: Almost replaced left inside main tire.

Pilots: Test flight OK, except auto-land very rough.
Engineers: Auto-land not installed on this aircraft.

Pilots: Something loose in cockpit.
Engineers: Something tightened in cockpit.

Pilots: Dead bugs on windshield.
Engineers: Live bugs on back-order.

Pilots: Autopilot in altitude-hold mode produces a 200 feet per minute descent.
Engineers: Cannot reproduce problem on ground.

Pilots: Evidence of leak on right main landing gear.
Engineers: Evidence removed.

Pilots: Friction locks cause throttle levers to stick.
Engineers: That's what they're for.

Pilots: Suspected crack in windshield.
Engineers: Suspect you're right.

More Exchanges Between Qantas Pilots and Their Engineers

Pilots: Number 3 engine missing.
Engineers: Engine found on right wing after brief search.

Pilots: Aircraft handles funny.
Engineers: Aircraft warned to straighten up, fly right, and be serious.

Pilots: Target radar hums
Engineers: Reprogrammed target radar with lyrics.

Pilots: Mouse in cockpit.
Engineers: Cat installed.

And perhaps, the best Qantas joke...

Qantas Pilot: Noise coming from under instrument panel. Sounds like a midget pounding on something with a hammer.
Engineers: Took hammer away from midget


37 posted on 01/14/2013 12:37:03 PM PST by Stand Watch Listen
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To: RFEngineer

That’s what I want to know. The military budget isn’t small. It hasn’t gone down. It’s gone up. Where’s all the money going? Why can’t we have a decent fleet of air force and navy ships over 20 years? Why does it take 15, 20, 40 years these days at the incredible rates we pay to get new ships or planes going? It’s a huge scam IMO.


38 posted on 01/14/2013 1:03:50 PM PST by Monty22002
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To: DJlaysitup

It’s the old “football team” ploy.

When schools are faced with real budget cuts, the first thing they threaten is the football team. Threaten the most popular item and people will get in line for the next tax increase.

Heaven forbid they would actually cut waste and abuse! WHAZZAT??


39 posted on 01/14/2013 1:56:31 PM PST by DNME (Without the Constitution, there is no legitimate U.S. government. Period.)
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To: ducttape45
Why not cut the military past the bone? It's not like we'll ever need it again - especially for some phony "national emergency" like Bush thought we had.

Why? Because with the new SECDEF and Secretary of State (along with their courageous commander in chief) we will be friends with everybody. After all, we OWN the Chinese because THEY own our debt. We are now best buds with the Muslim Brotherhood, so what could possibly go wrong there? Iran is waa-a-y overrated. Even if they had a nuke, there is NO WAY they could never hit the USA with it. They're too far away! The War On Terror is over. We declared it victory (well, maybe a "draw"), so now everybody happily can go back to what they were doing before.

Besides, it's not like there are any other choices for cuts out there. It doesn't make sense to cut any of the scores of millions of EBT cards, endless unemployment insurance, exploding Social Security Disability, critical things like "school teachers" and "infrastructure', anything useful like HHS, Energy, Homeland Security, EPA, a million pork programs, and plug the horrendous waste, fraud, and abuse that permeates everything to the rotten core.

Nope. No way.

Just cut the "cops and firemen" instead. Yeah. That's the key!

40 posted on 01/14/2013 3:17:20 PM PST by Gritty (The 2nd Amendment protects the right to shoot tyrants effectively, not deer-Judge Andrew Napolitano)
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To: cherry

And what is the per plane cost of the F35 now? The F35 project is like NASAs’ Webb space telescope. “The telescope that ate astronomy.” Well the F35 is the (poorly designed) fighter that ate the air force. Shutting down production of the twin engine world class F22 so as to fund the piss poor single engine F35 was a brilliant idea. /s.


41 posted on 01/14/2013 3:29:18 PM PST by jpsb
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To: cherry
Don't think I like what you said. True, there are areas that can be streamlined, but to say the military is just as bloated as the rest of the federal government, that's too broad of a blanket statement to make.

And you probably won't be thinking it was bloated when the nuclear missiles start falling because the military was weakened to a point where it wasn't able to function.

42 posted on 01/14/2013 4:17:51 PM PST by ducttape45 (Can you tell I'm angry?)
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To: Dick Vomer

Egads dude, can you warn a brother first before posting pictures like that? Had to run my eyes under the faucet for 30 minutes to get rid of the image seared into my corneas.


43 posted on 01/14/2013 4:21:27 PM PST by ducttape45 (Can you tell I'm angry?)
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To: Badabing Badablonde

Have him prepare for Plan B, C and D if he has the ability to do so.


44 posted on 01/14/2013 4:22:55 PM PST by ducttape45 (Can you tell I'm angry?)
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To: oldbill

I’m thinking the same thing. Someone called cherry really got my goat a few posts back. I wonder if it’s a liberal troll out to cause dissension in the ranks.


45 posted on 01/14/2013 4:24:05 PM PST by ducttape45 (Can you tell I'm angry?)
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To: Monty22002

“Where’s all the money going?”

LOL good one.


46 posted on 01/14/2013 5:11:49 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: LifeComesFirst

“China has no incentive to go to war with such a large trading partner. Capitalism brings peace.”

There’s a somewhat famous book that made exactly that argument. It was published around 1914, when Germany was Britain’s largest trading partner. For the historically challenged that means on the eve of an immensely destructive world war that pitted the two trading partners against each other.

And for other slow learners to chew on, the United States managed to embroil itself into an equally destructive civil war despite the existence of the libertarian’s favorite idol, capitalism.

It’s fascinating how libertarians and marxists both view the world through a lens of economic reductionism. Flip sides of a shallow world view that can’t account for world events that aren’t economic, Islam being a current example.


47 posted on 01/14/2013 5:17:52 PM PST by Pelham (Betrayal, it's not just for Democrats anymore.)
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To: LifeComesFirst

“Attack from whom? Even defunded, no military on Earth is a match for ours. Terrorists? What good did our aircraft carriers and stealth bombers do on the morning of 9/11?”

You are a fool of the highest magnitude if you think “terrorist” are the only threat to this country. China is preparing to attack us in the next 10-20 years. We must stay prepared for that and a resurgent Russia.


48 posted on 01/14/2013 6:41:25 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas
“Attack from whom? Even defunded, no military on Earth is a match for ours. "

As we have seen over the last 50 years via 'asymmetrical wars' we have fought, we can and have been beaten. Today, one or two EMP pulse weapons fired from a damn container ship 100 miles off our coast can send us back to the stone age.

Don't ever think that no one will attack us if they see the opportunity. There are many willing, and increasingly able to do so.

Don't kid yourself that high-tech airplanes and big nuclear powered carriers can protect us from the threats we currently face. Those weapons would be good for projecting force against the threats we faced 20 or 30 years ago. But they are not defensive weapons adequate for the current and future threats we face in an asymetric terrorist war which is the age we live in.

It is nice to be able to project force anywhere and anytime you need to. But it is far better to be able to protect the homeland and if necessary, allow the rest of the world to take care of it's own problems.

I think it is time we retired from the 'world's policeman' job and take better care of our own security and interests.

49 posted on 01/14/2013 7:13:11 PM PST by Ditto
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To: Pelham

Ww1sprang out of secret pacts and alliances, free trade between nations was becoming unpopular among the special interests and protectionist policies were on the rise. This doesn’t change that, ceteris paribus, economic interdependence disincentivises nations from attacking each other.


50 posted on 01/14/2013 8:31:47 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (http://rw-rebirth.blogspot.com/)
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