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Does 2nd Amendment give right to armed revolt?
heraldandnews.com ^ | 13 January, 2013 | Joel Mathis

Posted on 01/14/2013 4:08:51 PM PST by marktwain

The renewed debate over gun rights that has followed the massacre of elementary schoolchildren in Newtown, Conn., has included scrutiny over why gun advocates believe they need a right to bear arms. Among the reasons: Many advocates believe that individual gun ownership helps preserve American liberty, making government fearful of trampling on rights of its citizens. If government goes too far, the argument goes, Americans have the right to revolt by force.

Is that argument correct? Or does it belong to fringe gun enthusiasts?

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; bloodoftyrants; constitution; govtabuse; guncontrol; revolution; secondamendment; tyranny; youwillnotdisarmus
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No comments at the site yet. While the author says that the right has not been exercised since the Civil War, it was actually exercised in the battle of Athens, TN, in 1946.

No comments at the site, and I am not able to log in, likely due to my operating system.

The author makes a silly claim about sacrificing generations of children for a right we will not use...

1 posted on 01/14/2013 4:09:01 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Nope, it provides the means to repel imposed tyranny.


2 posted on 01/14/2013 4:09:56 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: marktwain

Molon Labe


3 posted on 01/14/2013 4:13:52 PM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: marktwain

Armed revolt, when necessary, isn’t a right — it’s a solemn responsibility.

What the second amendment does is to afford those who must reluctantly take on that sacred responsibility the possibility of succeeding at it.


4 posted on 01/14/2013 4:14:01 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Paladin2

The right to revolt is natural law.

Some are revolting by nature. Some are only revolting after hard work, others can not be revolting despite their best efforts.

Parallel and opposed to the right to revolt is the right to put down the insurrection. Not all revolts are won. Shays Rebellion, Whiskey Rebellion, Nat Turner’s rebellion, and the Great Rebellion show that it is easier to revolt than it is to win.

Isn’t that revolting?


5 posted on 01/14/2013 4:16:34 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: marktwain

There is no “right” to armed revolt. But, in some cases, it is the only solution. Always remember that rebellion begins as treason. You only become a patriot or freedom fighter if you win and get to write the history books.


6 posted on 01/14/2013 4:18:00 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: marktwain

The Japanese feared trying to invade the U.S. mainland during WWII, because as ADM. Yamamoto put it, “there will be gun behind every blade of grass.”


7 posted on 01/14/2013 4:18:26 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Nervous Tick

well said! no one wants to take on the responsibility lightly but when they do katie bar the door it will be like the attitude and action after Pearl Harbor hell hath no fury like a free man scorned.


8 posted on 01/14/2013 4:19:02 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: donmeaker

At least the Whisky Tax was rescinded a few years after the Rebellion.


9 posted on 01/14/2013 4:19:09 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: marktwain
"It" (the right to armed revolt) belonged first to Thomas Jefferson, who observed advisedly that "...the Tree of Liberty requires regular watering with the blood of tyrants."

Armed revolt is codified into our Founding Documents and principles, and is not just a legitimate birthright of every American citizen. It is also our deepest obligation, without which we dishonor and cast away as garbage the millions of human sacrifices made by the bravest patriots who came before us and gave up everything so that we may enjoy this right.

Bring it, all you "Gun Control" weenies. Go ahead and light this fuse, and we'll be soon enough rid of all of you.

Trust me.

;-\

10 posted on 01/14/2013 4:20:31 PM PST by Gargantua ("Barbie O'Bunga ~ America's First Fly-Strewn, Maggot-Gagging Fag President")
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To: marktwain

This is the theme that will get pushed, and pushed now by the media. We need to take away the guns because the gun nuts want Civil War 2. I’m sure Dateline/60 minutes are already working on segments.


11 posted on 01/14/2013 4:20:46 PM PST by Chipper (You can't kill an Obamazombie by destroying the brain...they didn't have one to begin with.)
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To: donmeaker
Don't forget that the result of the riots of the 60's was more Free StuffTM for the cities that rioted.
12 posted on 01/14/2013 4:21:13 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: marktwain

The U.S. Declaration of Independence states that “when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government”


13 posted on 01/14/2013 4:22:02 PM PST by Renegade
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To: marktwain

“The prospect of tyranny may not grab the headlines the way vivid stories of gun crime routinely do. But few saw the Third Reich coming until it was too late. The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed - where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once.”

Judge Alex Kozinski


14 posted on 01/14/2013 4:22:13 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Gargantua

It would be wise for those so inclined at the moment to use methods other than gunfire to send the appropriate message.


15 posted on 01/14/2013 4:23:02 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: marktwain

It grants nothing. It simply recognizes the inherent right to possess the means to revolt.


16 posted on 01/14/2013 4:23:22 PM PST by Trod Upon (Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
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To: marktwain
And from our Declaration of Independence .....

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security

It's becoming more and more clear what (sadly) may lie ahead this nation, once United.

17 posted on 01/14/2013 4:24:36 PM PST by llevrok (ObamaLand - Where young people go to retire)
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To: marktwain

Not the Second Amendment, the Declaration of Independence.


18 posted on 01/14/2013 4:25:53 PM PST by wastedyears (My life mostly completely turned around in a few weeks. Now to leave NY...)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

That crazy right-wing gun-nut Hubert Humphrey said roughly the same thing 40 years ago.


19 posted on 01/14/2013 4:26:07 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Renegade

You beat me to that, Renegade!


20 posted on 01/14/2013 4:26:25 PM PST by llevrok (ObamaLand - Where young people go to retire)
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To: marktwain

No the second A does not give the right. That right is clearly stated in our Declaration of Independence. It is a foundational moral principle of our republic. The second A just keeps us armed so we can apply our foundational moral principle if necessary.


21 posted on 01/14/2013 4:27:00 PM PST by D Rider
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To: marktwain

The second amendment doesn’t give any rights. It forbids the federal government from infringing on the natural right to keep and bear arms. This is supposed to keep the power to revolt against tyranny in the hands of the people should they decide to exercise it. Thus it is supposed to keep potential tyrants in check and why potential tyrants don’t like it very much.


22 posted on 01/14/2013 4:29:12 PM PST by Dan Cooper
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To: marktwain
Second Amendment = The RESET BUTTON for the Constitution.
23 posted on 01/14/2013 4:29:54 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: marktwain
The Declaration of Independence provides that citizens have a DUTY to stand up to a tyrannical government that fails to comport itself FOR the people.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

The 2nd Amendment is the vehicle in which the Fathers of this Nation intended to protect the Citizen's right and ability to combat a tyrannical government.

24 posted on 01/14/2013 4:30:22 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Nervous Tick
Armed revolt, when necessary, isn’t a right — it’s a solemn responsibility.
What the second amendment does is to afford those who must reluctantly take on that sacred responsibility the possibility of succeeding at it.

Perfectly stated.

25 posted on 01/14/2013 4:30:28 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: marktwain

No, of course not. The right to armed revolt is older than the Bill of Rights, and it is granted by our Creator in Jefferson’s famous formulation. The Second Amendment prohibits the federal government from infringing on the right to keep and bear arms. The only connection the Second Amendment has with armed revolt is that if it is being dismissed or circumvented by an oppressive and dictatorial government, the right to bear arms confers the ability to use them.


26 posted on 01/14/2013 4:30:34 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: marktwain

Why should we revolt?

This is our country and our constitution.

The federal government elected officials and bureaucrats are the ones who have revolted against the constitution.

Just round up the usurpers, imposters, traitors and petty tyrants, give them a speedy but fair trial, then hang them from a downtown lamp post.

Shouldn’t take any more than a day after they are caught.


27 posted on 01/14/2013 4:30:48 PM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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The 2nd Amendment, among other things, essentially secures the 1st Amendment. The Left is gingo after both. DO NOT YIELD!


28 posted on 01/14/2013 4:31:58 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Bryanw92
There is no “right” to armed revolt.

Our Founders stated in the Preamble to the United States Declaration that

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

29 posted on 01/14/2013 4:32:36 PM PST by sand88
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To: ConradofMontferrat

http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/14/gop-congressman-threatens-impeachment-if-obama-uses-executive-action-for-gun-control/


30 posted on 01/14/2013 4:33:20 PM PST by ronnie raygun ( Lexington / Concord, America's first gun grab attempt)
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To: Rappini
Molon Labe

Moquabet' de allendre!

31 posted on 01/14/2013 4:34:20 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: Hot Tabasco

http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?ID=4574


32 posted on 01/14/2013 4:35:47 PM PST by ronnie raygun ( Lexington / Concord, America's first gun grab attempt)
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To: marktwain

“When, in the course of human events.....”


33 posted on 01/14/2013 4:36:37 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: marktwain

When you go after the king you had better take him out. (old saying)


34 posted on 01/14/2013 4:37:22 PM PST by Domangart
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To: Bryanw92
LOL

You only become a patriot or freedom fighter if you win and get to write the history books.

You get the NAIL ON HEAD award.

As a Historian, all history is written by the "guys who won!"

Those bozos who "stood on their PRINCIPLES, and who REFUSED TO STOOP TO THEIR ENEMY'S LEVEL, came in SECOND BEST.

Their history has been whited out and long forgotten.

35 posted on 01/14/2013 4:37:39 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: marktwain

If the government has gotten corrupt and it is not possible to correct it by usual means then I think the Constitution sort of demands it.

I think we may be in that situation now. The press has become so one sided and crooked that they can make most people think right is wrong and vice versa.

People who don’t have a strong sense of skepticism or proper training from birth will just about certainly be fooled.


36 posted on 01/14/2013 4:37:59 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: marktwain

Can someone seriously please answer this idea I had immediately after the Sandy Hook shooting.....

Why is no one proposing just putting in Metal Detectors at the school entrances...??


37 posted on 01/14/2013 4:39:29 PM PST by LiveFreeOrDie2001
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To: Paladin2
It would be wise for those so inclined at the moment to use methods other than gunfire to send the appropriate message.

Most definitely. The evil left would like nothing more than to have some "right wing crazies" unleash violence against the government. I pray that those who cherish Liberty stand strong and resist the temptation to take up arms.

We must hold out until the evil left truly shows it's evil face and strike out with government force against their enemies. Let all see the left for the evil in their souls.

38 posted on 01/14/2013 4:39:29 PM PST by sand88
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To: Nervous Tick
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
39 posted on 01/14/2013 4:42:00 PM PST by NonValueAdded (If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, you've likely misread the situation.)
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To: sand88

I really meant to eschew gunfire, that’s all.


40 posted on 01/14/2013 4:42:21 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

“methods other than gunfire”

We could try petitions ... there are any number of petitions that have been and are being filed with the White House, but they just laugh them off.

“In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.”


41 posted on 01/14/2013 4:44:08 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: marktwain

it allows for revolt against a tyrannical government. it doesn’t allow for rebellion against a lawful government.


42 posted on 01/14/2013 4:45:07 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: marktwain
If you had the right to revolt, it wouldn't be a revolt, would it?
43 posted on 01/14/2013 4:45:25 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: marktwain

The first ten amendments to the Constitution do not “give” any rights.

They PREVENT the government at Washington from INTERFERING with per-existing rights, granted by the Creator.


44 posted on 01/14/2013 4:46:20 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Paladin2

It has not happened yet. We are still in the clarifying stage.


45 posted on 01/14/2013 4:49:56 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: ronnie raygun

Dear RONNIE RAYYY GUNZZZ!

(I think I remember that tune) Exactamundo my friend. But my problem is this: Pubbies have no ballz.

Boner, the NO NUTZ PUTZ, would cry a river if some young blood suggested impeaching the IMPOSTER.

Soooo, talk is cheep among the “no stones” pubbies. IMHO, the real challenge to the Imposter may well come from the ranks of the RATZ.

No fooling, those boyz got stones. And they may just be getting fed up with the “ONE.”

Always remember it was the RATZ who started the KKK, it was the RATZ who stood in the doorways of schools and polling places, it was the RATZ who sicced their dogs on the blacks, it was the RATZ who did Jim Crow, and it was the King RATZ, LBJ who boasted that his “war on poverty” “Put those N!!!erz Ballz in our pocket for the next 150 years.”

Bottom line, RATZ have a history of dumping the black man, when the black man becomes “inconvenient.”


46 posted on 01/14/2013 4:51:19 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: LiveFreeOrDie2001

Some schools already have metal detectors.

How would a metal detector at Sandy Hook have stopped that guy, unless there were also armored doors, adequate to stop a determined assault for long enough to allow armed deterrent to arrive, that only allowed one person through at a time?


47 posted on 01/14/2013 4:52:22 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: marktwain
Well, the second amendment doesn't give any rights. It just recognizes them, and restricts the fedguv in such a way that they're protected from action on the part of said fedguv.

But we see how that concept has worked.
48 posted on 01/14/2013 4:53:20 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: marktwain
Does 2nd Amendment give right to armed revolt?

Absolutely not.

Does it give right to armed resistance to tyranny?
Absolutely. Otherwise it would be totally meaningless.

Why do the anti-gun morons think the Second Amendment was created in the first place?
And why does Article V of the Constitution exist at all?

(Yes, that is a trick question.)

49 posted on 01/14/2013 4:54:02 PM PST by publius911 (Look for the Union Label -- then buy something else)
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To: marktwain
No. The Second Amendment does not give the People a right to armed revolt.

The Second Amendment protects the People's preexisting right to armed revolt, in the event the government should descend into tyranny... as has happened in places like Nazi Germany, China, the Soviet Union, North Korea, Cambodia, etc.

Glad I could clear that up.

50 posted on 01/14/2013 4:54:34 PM PST by Jeff Winston
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