Posted on 01/15/2013 7:39:03 PM PST by doug from upland
Want to know how to get a gun?
Just ask Chris.
The skinny teen attends high school in Chicago and is a talented athlete. But he’s also a notorious gunslinger.
As a shooter in a South Side gang, he can get his hands on a gun as quick as you can get a burger at a fast-food restaurant.
“I will make a call and say I need a gun. I will ride down the street on my bike and get it — five minutes.”
The Chicago Sun-Times sat down with Chris for a lesson on how gangs get guns. Armed gangs like Chris’ have driven up Chicago’s murder total 28 percent above the tally at this time last year. And Chris is on the front lines of the shooting.
“For your ’hood, you can’t stop [getting] guns because it’s war season. A gang need any gun it can get,” said the teen, who has worked as an informant for police and asked for anonymity. The Sun-Times is identifying him by an alias.
‘Gun guys’
He knows men whose full-time job in the underground economy is to buy guns from suburban stores and illegally sell them to criminals.
Chris calls them the “gun guys.” The cops have another name for them: “straw purchasers.”
“Gun guys” have clean records allowing them to obtain Illinois firearm owner’s identification cards. With FOID cards, they can legally buy guns at stores in the suburbs.
Then they illegally sell them to gang members banned from owning guns because of their criminal backgrounds.
Most of the guns recovered in crimes in Chicago were bought in suburban gun stores, according to a new University of Chicago Crime Lab study of police gun-trace data.
(Excerpt) Read more at suntimes.com ...
From what I have been told much of the problem of straw buying is that the prosecutors consistently allow them to plea bargain down to minor offenses (even down to misdemeanors) which don’t restrict their future right to buy a gun.
Rather defeats the purpose of the law now doesn’t it?
So how do we deal with straw purchases? We enforce the laws properly that already exist.
Black Markets bring in crime...
Black markets are created when desirable objects are banned..
Straw purchasers or not, the problem still remains the recipient of the guns. Those guns didn’t hit the streets and start shooting people. They required a criminal to run the trigger.
Maybe by making him take a gun safety course. and requiring a waiting period of several weeks. Would impede the traffic anyway.
We have something worse than criminals. We have outlaws. people who live outside the normal rules of society.
maybe it’s “straw buyers” maybe it’s not. Maybe it’s “Fast and Furious - Chicago Style”
Conservatives and supporters of the 2nd amendment the Obama regime is using the 2nd amendment argument to blame gun owners for its inability to deal with the hundreds of gangland murders and shootings commited in areas under their solid control using illegally obtained firearms. Their solution to those inner city problems is to remove those rights provided by the constitution to have and bear arms from all US citizens.
None of those 19 so called “reforms” and unconstitutional efforts being edicted by who some call an emporer do not deal with the following issues briefly outlined below . They won’t because instead of creating a uniformly democratic society where every citizen has an equal voice no matter what their race or ethnicity.
Their policies have grouped races and ethnic groups by gerrymandering congressional districts where much of this criminal activity occurs. GOPES {goverment of the people (republican party) elites} see this issue as a 3rd rail because most of it is black on black or illegal vs illegal (Mexican) activity . GOPES are also afraid to say that policy may have also increased racial tension but again GOPES accept this because of the influence of mainline socialist media which would be accusing them of “racism” if they dare to question it.
The following are links to New York publications the first is the New York Times
January 12, 2013 4:34:43 PM · 49 of 73
mosesdapoet to 2ndDivisionVet
Revolutionary Language by C.M.Blow of the New York Times
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2977484/posts with link to article
As the ghouls swoop in on Blow’s inflamatory rhetoric promoted by The New York Times with directionless rebuttal or meaningless responses laughed at by its staffers. I’m.not even sure if a C.M.Blow is even listed on the NYT staff
I submit the purpose of this NYT article is to keep the right and conservatives focused on what the Demo-Coms describe as issues through their propaganda arm known as the MSM (mainline socialist media) not on the problems created by the “Libs” on their road of good intentions or the socialist/fascists/communists successors to comtrol over todays Democrat party :
Not one word in Blow’s NYT inflamatory contribution will address or offer a solution about the hundreds of gangland murders and shootings using illegaly obtained mostly handguns and revolvers .Not “assault weapons” which are really single shot per trigger pull rifles, used for small game hunting or target practice. That are made to look like their military counterpart. which by the way are small caliber and designed to wound not necessarilly kill which is why they are automatic and fire many rounds while the trigger is in the pulled position. .
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2977901/posts NY Post pix of shooter using handgun
Blow certainly can’t critique a system created by his ilk .Ignored by his publication is that when once caught, perps get set free with lenient sentencing from “liberal” judges or sob sister plea bargain prosecution promoted by The New York Times. There’s certainly no criticism of “no snitch” mentality partcularly in areas where these shootings are rampant.
What do you expect an honest look at the problem from The New York Times ? They’re incapable that’s why they’re going broke...Printing tripe from people like C.M.Blow
While attempting to deal with the latest diversion by the Demo-Coms who would if they had their druthers eliminate the constitution period not just the 2nd ammendment. Conservatives and defenders of the 2nd amendment should cite these issues mentioned here. Holding their fire and aim this when they see the whites of their eyes.
No Serious Gun Debate Until Gang-bangers And Political Corruption Eliminated
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By Michael Ciric, January 10, 2013 at 9:36 am
No Serious Gun Debate Until Gang-bangers And Political Corruption Eliminated
Anti-Gun liberals like Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel want to take away guns from law-abiding citizens yet offer no hope in furthering the gun debate because of his administration’s inability to control gang bangers and their illegal access to them.
It makes no sense to strip citizens of their right to protect themselves until you can level the playing field.
Don’t get me wrong either because I believe that having sensible gun laws isn’t a bad thing. But aren’t there already plenty on the books? How about looking at properly enforcing those laws and mandates?
But that is not what anti-gun liberals want. Their motives are far more sinister and nefarious than that. They would have you believe that gang-bangers are somehow cut from the same cloth of sensibility as law-abiding citizens are. However, we already know that that is the furthest from the truth.
Reality tells us that gang-bangers don’t give a damn about society’s laws and as such will always have access to firearms.
Rahm Emanuel, meanwhile, refuses to properly staff the Chicago Police Department so that they can meet their stated mission of “To Serve and Protect.” How many nightmare stories have we heard about the lack of a police presence in those neighborhoods most affected by gang violence? Compounding the problem is the code of silence among residents who fear that the only result cooperation brings is a “snitch winding up in a ditch.” Besides, residents have little faith in the police department because many feel they are as bad as the gang-bangers themselves.
It’s a vicious circle.
That, in and of itself, is a deterrent to the gun control debate here. No sane person would give up one iota of their constitutional right to bear arms until society has a level playing field against those that have z-e-r-o regard for the rule of law. As such, big city mayors, like Rahm Emanuel, need to get off their collective asses and eradicate its streets of the war zones in their own backyards before demanding citizens give up their last hope of protecting themselves.
Of course that would also require brain dead governors to properly fund empty prisons and forgo those asinine early release programs for all those non-rehabilitated criminals rather than opening up the floodgates of hell unto society. And while we are on the discussion of funding, how about the state properly funding the many mental health facilities that have fallen victim to budget cuts?
You know, those of us living in the State of Illinois should be more than aware of these deficiencies. Yet the people don’t seem to care as its elected officials have used taxpayer monies for anything but what their clear intent was. Instead they have allowed one politician after another to fill their (or their cronies) pockets with unethical sweet insider deals. If as that weren’t bad enough, the people have also stood largely silent as politicians have been allowed to underfund a swollen pension fund system built upon decades and decades of overt patronage and the gaming of it by interlopers aided by windows of opportunity opened by a willing Illinois Legislature.
So excuse me if I am a little more than skeptical of the intentions of our “well-meaning Illinois Democrats.” Their agendas rarely have the peoples best interests at heart and anyone saying that isn’t so is clearly a beneficiary of that system. Yet these are the same people who see nothing wrong with forcing the state to take indecent liberties when it comes slashing funding required to protect its people and keep dangerous or mentally ill people off the streets.
I don’t know about you but before I would let people like these dictate the debate on guns I would demand that they deal with the estimated 68,000 gang-bangers wreaking havoc on the good people of Chicago.
And let’s be very clear here Mister Emanuel - there is a direct correlation to the number of gang-bangers and the ineptitude of city and state politicians keeping people in perpetual poverty. So really - is it any wonder then that there are so many gangs and gang members running amok in your city? Hardly! Again, if you want a serious debate or impose stricter regulations on gun ownership then it has to begin with the eradication of the gang-bangers.
Better yet, let’s eradicate the corrupt politicians too!
Thanks doug from upland.
same way we always have...*G*..You got a problem with that??
This statement makes me doubt the whole article. The serial number is generally stamped in a part of the gun that is steel. Even if you file it off, they can use acid to raise the S/N again. There is a way to permanently destroy the S/N, but I'm not going to post it here. It definitely isn't with a screwdriver. You might be able to scratch over it, but it would take HOURS to remove it, and even then it's not going to be completely gone.
...let’s be very clear here Mister Emanuel - there is a direct correlation to the number of gang-bangers and the ineptitude of city and state politicians keeping people in perpetual poverty.
It's actually simpler than that: there are two Chicagos. Official Chicago consists of the "safe" parts of the city, which are much like the "safe" parts of any other large city; unofficial Chicago continues to provide utilities such as water and electricity and sewage to the "unsafe" parts of the city, but there's no law there, nor law enforcement. The "unsafe" parts of the city are made up of gang enclaves that are by default ruled by gangs whose primary enterprises are:
1.) Pursuing profits from narcotics and other criminal activites
2.) Allying and warring with competing gangs
3.) Ruling their enclaves
Each gang is a mini-kingdom with its own dictator or oligarchy, its own rules, its own economy, its own culture, et cetera. The whole situation looks anarchic; in reality, each gang has reinvented government—always predatory and usually brutal—in the absence of legitimate city government.
The official city government has abdicated in large areas of the city. It goes through the motions of governance, and even sends in law enforcement officers to investigate crimes and write reports and make arrests when it's easy, but the only actual law is whatever the gangs make up and enforce. Everybody pretends otherwise, but that's the way it actually is.
The question isn't "What's going on?" but "Why do the non-criminals in the "unsafe" areas prefer rule by predatory gangs to official city, state, and national law?"
If I knew the answer, friends, I'd tell you. Feudalism is alive and well in many of our nation's largest cities. Here's what's even stranger: the Chicago way is well on its way toward becoming the new American way.
this is 2013....why can’t a chip be installed in every gun manufactured so they’d know exactly where it was.
Good for you!
Detroit had a program called STRESS-Stop The Robbers Enjoy Safe Streets. Coleman Young ran on eliminating this program and got elected with the majority black vote. Even though their community was most affected by violent crime (to say nothing of them being the primary perpetrators). Now we have “no snitchin”. The cops are supposed to solve black crime at the same rate as white crime, despite the fact that the black rates are much higher, AND despite the fact that its a “sin” in black culture to “snitch” in lrder to keep their own children from being killed.
I suspect that many would think that such is a 2nd Amendment infringement.
Because the “non-criminals” still benefit from the crime of the criminals. They live on welfare. The criminal babydaddies supply the luxuries, if not the neccessities. So the criminal element has support from the “community”, through intimidation, through the “no snitchin” (don’t help the “man”), and though personal gain. No character or positive values trump “what’s in it for me”.
They don’t need to know exactly where every gun is. That’s as bad as the national database proposal, just another way to round up all the guns, even from the law-abiding, when they want to.
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