Posted on 01/22/2013 8:17:43 PM PST by deek69
You miss- understood me. I am not advocating for any specific policy. What I am pointing out is demographics. You always have to adapt to current surroundings. My point is the voters haven’t moved in 25 years. The only thing that has changed is the make up of the country.
Take your own advise! Become an out-of-the closet Democrat; take your posts to a leftwing website; and post in Spanish or Arabic, since they're the fastest growing demographics with those anti-American #u@&s!
Did you notice the sheer numbers? No matter how many illegals we take in it’s a drop in the bucket. I’m stunned democrats would be willing to destroy our country just to be re-elected. Then again liberal elites don’t live with the illegals, they hire them cheap...
You seem to be very angry and like trying to bully people who are trying to find answers so we can be a majority party. I will continue the effort you may continue to belittle and scream at the moon, have a nice day.
I have an idea and I'll preface it by fully acknowledging that its absolutely heartless and draconian. I'll limit this only to Texas since we face an existential crisis here with the illegals, the vast majority of whom are Mexican, constituting the enemy within. And I think Texas is uniquely qualified to carry out my proposal. So here goes...
When an illegal commits a crime (not a misdemeanor but a felony), present that person before a specially-selected (by the governor) panel comprised of Texas Rangers serving as judge, jury and executioner. If found guilty, that same panel is then responsible for executing the guilty illegal on the spot. There's no costly prison time involved nor would there be a prolonged jury trial. I think it will take less than a half-dozen of these to be carried out and then self-deportation will take care of itself in no time.
There's nothing cruel about this form of swift capital punishment and, as an illegal alien, such an individual has no rights of a citizen to a jury trial. Of course, I'm sure leftist outfits such as the ALCU, Amnesty International and the United Nations would decry it. Still, I think the nature of these extraordinary times when an invasion of a sovereign nation is underway, an equally extraordinary, admittedly drastic measure such as this would be effective and send an abundantly clear and certain message.
Actually, I agree with that, but that is NOT THE SAME AS INSTANT TOTAL DEPORTATION that was advocated.
What can be done is this:
A: secure the border
B: cut off government hand outs
C: deport them as they are arrested (as you said)
All of that CAN be done and SHOULD be done. And if it was, then this problem would not even exist in maybe 5-10 years. And it would be done in a way that would not disrupt the economy, a factor that would screw every single person in this country BTW, that so few want to acknowledge.
And 5-10 years is a bargain, since it took 60 years to build.
Oh wait, I quickly read your post at first, and then re read it.
That’s absurd. You were on the right track, then you just veered into the crazy ditch.
If you follow my prescription, problem solved.
I'm in Texas and you're in North Carolina. I realize that your state is indeed suffering from the invasion of illegals but not nearly to the extent that we are, if for no other reason, than our border with Mexico. As I see it (in the posting you characterized as "veering off into the crazy ditch"), even half a decade is going to be fatal for those states overrun with the illegal, invading hordes. That's why I advocate immediate, swift and certain punishment. Yes, perhaps a summary execution of these illegals may seem extreme but unless something is done now, our future is indeed very bleak.
If you will, I'll moderate the proposed punishment from the on-the-spot death penalty to something along the lines of Eisenhower's Operation Wetback. These extreme times call for extreme measures...in my opinion, of course.
First of all, your assumption that I am basing my opinions on merely a NC experience is flawed. I won’t belabor the point here, but my research on this is vast and extensive, and involves people in Texas and California among other states.
Second, you seem to think that the the problem will only continue to build until drastic measures are taken. Not the case. Follow my prescription, and things will start heading in the right direction immediately. It won’t get worse. My idea dosn’t wait 5-10 years to START corrections, my idea will have it CORRECTED in 5-10 years. Re read.
Besides, your idea is outside of what serious people will ever contemplate, let alone apply. I like to deal within the realm of the possible.
Duly noted and thanks for the meaningful give and take in this discussion. Yes, I do take a very hard line stance because I do see illegal aliens as the enemy and once such an illegal commits a felony, they became (at least in my eyes) an enemy combatant and are then outside the protection of our civil justice system.
But one way or the other, something has to be done...and soon. Continued inaction will lead to Texas becoming a swing state and ultimately a solid Democrat state. For the sake of the America we all cherish, the Lone Star state simply can't go down the same trail that California has demographically.
Yeah - what’s the big deal?
They’re just violating the law.
Course if I was violating the law, I’d be punished.
But it’s only fair: I’m white. I deserve it.
Now go pay your taxes - people who are here illegally need the money. :)
And if you don’t pay your taxes - we’ll punish you. LOL! :)
Well, I’ll float a few ideas to chew on.
First, are people who are born here but hate the very foundation of liberty and free enterprise somehow superior to that 25-35% of illegals who come here for that liberty and free enterprise opportunity?
Second, this is the result of 60 years of a weak border PLUS supply and demand, and any instant vaporization of this population (not that it’s possible anyway) would crash our entire supply and demand curve in so many ways.
Third, I full believe that my plan would instantly make things better, and it would be an ever improving situation.
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That's an interesting and thought-provoking question. Since we've been engaging in this discussion, I presume that both of us have been checking the other's posting history to evaluate where we stand on many issues. (Parenthetically, I have to credit you for keeping "Obama’s Loss: Inevitable For Years" up on your personal web page. A lesser man would have scrubbed it by now. Kudos).
As you may have seen, my stance concerning labor unions is nearly as hard-line as that against illegals. I think an argument can be made that RICO laws can be enforced to put them out of business but that's an extreme position and likely impracticable. At the very least, I advocate for Right to Work in all 50 states. So, I'm tough when it comes to unions and those who voluntarily join them.
With that as background, here's my take. I think when push comes to shove, even a union member will come to the aid of America when in peril. In contrast, I think an illegal (even a good one who generally keeps his nose clean), would flee back to his country of origin when the going gets really tough.
And that's why I see the influx of Mexicans so differently from the massive waves of immigrations early in the 20th century. Most of them came from overseas when transportation was still rather primitive by today's standards. The Mexicans who come to America for labor and otherwise steer clear of criminal activity have a safe and easy refuge across the nearby border. So yes, in that sense, I think there's some value (not a lot but some in this case) to be had merely by where one was born. Even a welfare queen or a unionista (is there much of a difference) has the bond of a home country that an illegal doesn't.
That’s contradictory to every poll I’ve seen. How did they ask the question? Something like, “Do you want Mexicans shot or given a pathway to citizenship?”
FR keyword immigrationpoll
[snips]
Americans Back Arizona’s Landmark Immigration Law by More than 2-to-1 Margin (SB1070)
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2878240/posts
GAllup also says the public wants ALL immigration decreased.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1660/immigration.aspx
“But especially for people that are rural conservatives, they just don’t see what is going on since this transformation is largely taking place in urban areas away from them.”
That may have been so 10 years ago. Now rural areas are taken over by Mexican drug cartels, well armed. In a nearby No. Calif tiny town, when you listen on a quiet night, you’ll hear spanish being spoken, ‘out there’...they are armed patrols guarding their pot fields in our national forests. Many other small towns with some industry, like chickens, may become ‘latino’ almost over night when they hire all the illegals.
The War Next Door is here....800 miles from the Mexican Border
http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/2009/08/war-next-door-is-here800-miles-from.html
“......I am not advocating for any specific policy. What I am pointing out is demographics. You always have to adapt to current surroundings......”
Always? Unless you’re an illegal alien, of course. Seems they don’t have to adapt to anything, especially the LAW!
Actually, hate to disappoint, but I barely read the posts, much less research the poster. But I have enjoyed our give and take, and appreciate how you present your case.
And FTR, I’m not sure your “push come to shove” analysis is right. These are the same unions who knee jerk join all of the leftist positions on the military, including anti war, pro gay, cut spending etc. This, in addition to their communist socialist economic views.
I heard someone on The Morning Joe point out that Obama once voted against immigration reform in a bill because it had no ‘path to citizenship’ and that he did this because it is what one of the major unions demanded Dems do.
They said that unions are not all that enthused about immigration reform that adds new legal workers to compete with them, which is exactly why businesses want it, but will go with it as long as the illegals eventually get to vote(as they will vote Dem/lib).
So the R House best move is to do or say nothing about the subject until Reid can get a bill passed through Senate(as with guns and other Obama initiatives), if Reid does get a bill passed get something then Rs offer a ‘compromise’ that is similar to Os EO, no path to citizenship, if Reid fails GOP goes into 2014 rubbing the Dem Senate failure in to a key Dem base(this is EXACTLY how Obama plays Rs against each other) .
And when House Rs do this its important that they say things like “America is built on hard working immigrants and we welcome those immigrants who want to follow our laws, pay their taxes and live the American Dream’ the way O plays it up on TV, and make sure to not pull a Romney 47% comment self shot in head.
Then blame Dems and Obama for ‘making the perfect the enemy of the good’ when it dies again.
There is winning (against O) or there is whining, we need to pick.
Does little chopperjc feel 'bullied' by an 'angry' American? Pathetic! I suggest you get a backbone and put country & principles before party.
When over 40% of voting age Americans didn't vote, stop selling surrender to the 11% Hispanics who have, in every election, going back at least as far as Reagan, voted Democrat - even after Reagan granted Amnesty!
To claim another Amnesty will win over, from the Democrat party, the majority of a Hispanic population who is ever increasingly coming to the US for a taxpayer subsidized life, is either pure delusion or 5th column sabotage.
But those forgotten Americans - whose quality of life continues to decline and still do not vote - do not interest those preaching a sellout to the leftwing and minority agenda . Those Americans must remain forgotten while the job of demographically replacing them is completed - or those Americans may rise up and stop that grand leftwing scheme before it is completed.
[ And if you can't take the heat... don't respond because you'll only get even more of the same! ]
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