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A Question for "conservatives" (Zot!)

Posted on 01/25/2013 8:05:16 AM PST by The_Freemason

I have a serious question for the "conservatives" on here. Why do you assume the GOP is conservative and why do you continue to support them? In he past 10 years the GOP has done nothing to prove they are a conservative alternative to the leftist democrats. They crow about fiscal restraint but GWB pushed the national debt to 10 trillion( don't throw out the Obama raised it 16, we know and it's not an answer). He started wars without congressional approval, gave us the TSA, Patriot act, warrantless wiretaps, drones flying over the country. Expanded medicare the list goes on. The current GOP is on the same bandwagon but does the same as the D's do. The GOP complains that the D's want a nanny state but they are no less intrusive. It's just that they want to control and determine your morals and values. MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS, Please.

The GOP claims to be for smaller gov't and personal freedom but I haven't seen either. If you truly believe in these ideals, IMHO the GOP is lying to you. I have been a Libertarian member for years. Only the LP actually believes in the idea of leaving you alone to live your life as YOU see fit. The LP would cut the budget into balance TODAY not 10 years from now (aka NEVER).

Maybe if more "conservatives" would stop worrying about what I ingest, who I marry and the like and examine what their party represents there could be a sea change in the country with 2 true competing visions for America. One based on free people, free minds and free markets and one based on planned markets, less freedom.

Ok, discuss amongst yourselves.


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To: TheOldLady

I saw The_Freemason posting yesterday and thought to myself, “this one’s destined to ride the lightning.”

Good to see that Frankenfeinstein didn’t get JimRob’s zot gun.


201 posted on 01/25/2013 9:05:22 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: LUV W
Yes, but he didn't do a very good impersonation of a Conservative.     ;) winking
202 posted on 01/25/2013 9:21:43 PM PST by TheOldLady
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To: jpsb

>> “Bush vrs Al Gore, no brainer, but Steve Forbes was was a much better choice.” <<

No argument, that’s why I held my nose and voted.


203 posted on 01/25/2013 9:22:33 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: TheOldLady

Nope...he were no genius! :)


204 posted on 01/25/2013 9:22:33 PM PST by luvie (All my heroes wear camos!)
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To: Windflier

Indeed. Sometimes you can just tell...

How are things going? Please let me know.


205 posted on 01/25/2013 9:23:13 PM PST by TheOldLady
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To: The_Freemason; 50mm; darkwing104; Arrowhead1952; Darksheare; TheOldLady; Lady Jag; Chode; ...

206 posted on 01/25/2013 10:08:34 PM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: TheOldLady

Don’t inhale the smoke from this one. ;’)


207 posted on 01/25/2013 10:26:24 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: The_Freemason

IATZ


208 posted on 01/26/2013 1:38:05 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (SOS)
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To: Old Sarge

Sorry we all missed the Earth-shattering KABOOM. ;-) IATZ!


209 posted on 01/26/2013 5:02:43 AM PST by TheOldLady
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To: The_Freemason

Conservatives are a very loosely bound coalition that lacks the political strength to prevail in national elections. To have a chance to prevail, conservatives become a part of the Republican party.

If you pay attention on Free Republic, you learn that “conservatives” are not a monolithic group but an amalgamation of several varying causes. There is no unity. Single issue single mindedness prevents cohesion.


210 posted on 01/26/2013 5:16:22 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: SunkenCiv
Oh, I guess you've never seen my gas mask. But thank you for caring!


211 posted on 01/26/2013 5:41:14 AM PST by TheOldLady
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To: The_Freemason
yep

ZOT!


212 posted on 01/26/2013 5:54:59 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (0 bummer inherited a worse economy in 2012 than he did in 2008.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

That’s funny. Nice personal attack.

Again, how many new federal agencies, departments, entitlements, and budget deficits occurred under Republican leadership?

That is a straightforward, simple question that you refuse to answer.


213 posted on 01/26/2013 6:03:41 AM PST by EricT. (The Second Amendment is Tyrant Control.)
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To: EricT.

The fact that a simple mind asks a simple question, does not make any of it pertinent to a meaningful conversation.

Yes, it’s a straightforward question - but it’s a question about an issue that does not have a straight forward answer.

Really, it is a very simple MINDED question, the kind that would appeal to one does not want their mind clouded with the reality of the situation.

It is also not relevant, because none of those leaders are part of the equation going forward. I will not play your little game. The answer to this question does not support your bigger thesis, so it is a waste of time.

You have not won your little “gotcha” moment, except in the shallowest of intelletual pools. I prefer the deep end.


214 posted on 01/26/2013 8:41:19 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: spudville
Leagalizing drugs is just insane. Who pays for their care when they over dose?

Who pays for boozers' care when they overdose, or tobacco users' care when they get cancer? Should we ban alcohol and tobacco?

In a perfect Libertarian world they would have to pay higher premiums for their “lifestyle choice.” But in reality they want everyone else to share in the cost through premiums.

If you don't like your insurer's pricing policies, the conservative answer is to replace your insurer - not expand government to ban non-rights-violating acts.

I believe the solution is to have as small and unobtrusive government as constitutionally possible. Tobacco, booze, whoring, drugs or whatever behavior not withstanding, my question was what do Libertarians think should be done with the wretches that suffer the consequences of their own behavior.

I'm not a libertarian - but it seems clear to me that a small and unobtrusive government (which libertarians also favor) would not interfere in pricing or service under voluntary contracts such as insurance policies, and that someone suffering the uninsured consequences of their own behavior would be left to voluntary charity.

If you still maintain that "Legalizing drugs is just insane" my questions above still stand, and stand in need of answers.

Right now they are legal. (Booze and tobacco) Seems to me the answer is not to heap more problems on society by legalizing drugs.

Why shouldn't we take some problems off of society by banning the drugs alcohol and tobacco, which increase medical costs?

We don’t need drugs laying around for kids to have easier access to than they already do.

Since kids report that they can get pot more easily than beer or cigarettes, it looks like the most effective way to keep pot out of kids' hands is to legalize it for adults - so sellers have an incentive not to sell to kids (namely, the loss of their legal adult sales).

My point is that giving up and legalizing any dangerous behavior only leads to new laws and taxes societal problems.

It leads to new laws and taxes only if we let it - and it reduces or ends the problems aggravated or caused by illegality, notably the channeling of hyperinflated drug profits into criminal hands.

It is the nature of the world to tend toward chaos and self destruction, but I’d like to stop it or slow it down, somehow.

Why don't you want to not just slow it down but reverse it by banning the drugs alcohol and tobacco?

215 posted on 01/28/2013 7:54:13 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: SunkenCiv

“Don’t inhale the smoke from this one. ;’)”

...but will he blend?

Jim: “Yes.”


216 posted on 01/29/2013 12:56:33 PM PST by libdestroyer
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