Skip to comments.Read & React: Maine Man Uses .22 for Defense in Home Invasion
Posted on 01/28/2013 7:00:37 PM PST by marktwain
As McIntyre and Dellairo continued to batter Williams and Ramos, Williams broke free and ran to his bedroom, where he armed himself with a .22-caliber handgun equipped with a laser sight. Williams shot McIntyre in the leg then followed him, Dellairo, and the female out of the apartment. While outside the apartment, Dellairo lunged at Williams with a knife. In response, Williams fired off a couple surprised rounds, which struck Dellairos hip. As the three fled, they entered a vehicle, possibly with a second female. Williams fired two rounds that impacted the vehicles trunk in an effort to aid police in identifying the vehicle.
Police caught up with the female, McIntyre and Dellairo at St. Joseph Hospital, where McIntyre was arrested. Dellairo was transported to Eastern Maine Medical Center, where he died of his injuries. The investigation is ongoing and police have yet to release the names of the two females believed to be involved.
Whats the moral to this story? Aside from surmising that a .22-caliber pistol makes a better weapon than an electric guitar, we can deduce that any firearm is capable of turning the tide of a deadly encounter. Of course, without proper training and the will to win, your firearm, regardless of caliber, will be of little benefit. What are your thoughts?
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Some Mossad agents carry .22’s. With practice, a .22 can definitely incapacitate or kill. Personally, a M9 or M1911 are better options.
Every freedom loving home in America should have at least one firearm chambered in .22 caliber.
Back before 1970, most murders were committed with the .22 LR.
He probably punctured the external iliac artery in the hip. That’s a pretty rapid bleed out.
I'm going to use that one if I ever find myself in a similar situation.
"Well, officer, I shot the burglar twice in the @$$ to help aid you in identifying the perp."
Williams fired two rounds that impacted the vehicles trunk in an effort to aid police in identifying the vehicle.
.22 is better than nothing, but .45 would have made a shorter story...
True on both counts.
On the other hand, I dated a girl in high school whose brother was shot in the forehead with a .22LR. He thought it was a bee sting initially. He has (as far as I know) minor brain damage but is otherwise normal.
I think 22s are underrated. My reason is that you can fire 10,000 rounds of 22 ammo without going broke, and there are few substitutes for total confidence that you will hit what you want to hit.
Something like the S&W 317 is pretty tempting, although I’ll have to wait until production can satisfy demand...light, not too big, 8 shots, reliable, and you can ‘test it out’ by shooting a few thousands rounds to see if you’re confident!
The Ruger LCR is another possibility, but I think I like the 317 better for looks and function.
A pistol is what you use if you have to fight your way to your rifle.
Most intelligence agencies, secret police, assassins and hit men know shot placement matters, and “in the leg” and “in the truck” ain’t it.
The leg? The hip?
Wow. I would be aiming at the head, face, and throat and pulling the trigger fast.
What good reason?
I'll bet that fatal hip shot was deflected up into the perp's abdomen, as .22 slugs are often found to do. It might not be a fight-stopper, but at close range there's enough energy in that 40-gr. projectile to make a real mess.
I grew up on a farm in the 1950s. Daddy had a .22 bolt action rifle ( a Remington 513 scoremaster). I can still remember him killing hogs when it got cold.
He would shoot them in the forehead with a .22 short. They would drop like they had been hit by lightning.
When I lived in Western Kansas I knew a guy who ran a small meat packing plant. He used a Marlin model 60 to kill the cows. He said it never failed. Of course he was at point blank range.
report is vague saying assailant hit in hip. But as we all know, shooting at the pelvic bone can have great impact. A 22 certainly can ricochet around in there very nicely.
I recall a study a while back that charted cal vs first round knockdown. I think the .22 was at around 85%. The higher calibers were around 95% first round knockdown. I was surprised. Like many I always thought of the 22 as a pea shooter. I guess it is simply a matter of shots on target. Look at all the damage the fool who tried to assassinate Regan was able to do with one.
Looking at getting a Walther P22 for packing under the seat in my car, I travel quite a bit.
Some things cannot be accounted for, do you know the story of Phineas Gage? He had a steel rod driven through his head and survived to die years later. Nine hundred and ninety times out of a thousand a .22 long rifle in the forehead will kill a man. My father used to shoot huge hogs in the forehead with a .22 short which is far less powerful than the LR and I never saw one fail to drop in its tracks. Once I watched as he shot a thousand pound steer the same way with a short and it dropped straight down. One little box of fifty rounds of .22 short that fits in a shirt pocket would kill enough meat to load a semi truck. He actually refused to use a long rifle cartridge, claiming it was too powerful for the job. On the other hand it is amazing how sometimes a person can survive an attack that seems impossible to survive. I knew a man forty years ago who showed me the row of scars across his belly where he was hit with a machine gun blast in Vietnam. The way he described it is that he was almost cut in two. He was on full military disability but unless you had seen his belly you would think he had never been hurt in his life. I saw him do things that most men who had never been hurt could not do.
I agree with both of you, but the gun in your hand beats the most perfect weapon sitting in a case at the gun shop and they were lucky this time. Whatever works.
While the 22 bounced around enough to bleed him out after he ran away a ..40 or .45 would have knocked him down. But anything is better than being unarmed.
I would prefer a high capacity 9mm or .40 cal. or a Glock 10mm or .45. Size is not a big factor for carrying in your car.
I live in a rural area and when I just walk around the woods or my yard I almost always put a little Unique model L in my pocket. It is very reliable and while not powerful, is powerful enough.
If I wanted to use it sort of like a truck gun, it would be a .45 Colt or a .44 mag. A .357 would also do just fine.
Still your .22 would be just fine.
I used to carry a CZ-52 under the seat. I am not sure why but I recently replaced it with a Browning Hi-Power with a 20 round MecGar mag and a 30 round spare.
“Williams roommate, 24-year-old Luis Ramos, ran out of his bedroom, armed with an electric guitar...”
“Axe” is a slang term for a guitar, maybe he got confused. At least he was trying and didn’t run out on his roomie.
***** “I think 22s are underrated. My reason is that you can fire 10,000 rounds of 22 ammo without going broke, and there are few substitutes for total confidence that you will hit what you want to hit.” ******
Just can’t wait for the ammo to be available again... I want to go back to the Range! ... as it is I hate shooting up what I have, I might need it.
Well, there is my answer.
The Bersa Thunder 32 or Ultra compact Thunder 9 is a better alternative. If you get the Thunder 9 UC put night sights on it.
Ammo has come a long way ... a good CCI 22LR today is nearly the equivalent to yesterdays .38
That being said I dropped a Deer where it stood (35 years ago) with a 22LR ... it’s placement first
I think that is a good choice.
I don’t have a Walter but I have a Ruger SR-22 that I shoot the heck out of.
You can keep it on target and pull as fast as you can.
Pretty accurate at close ranges.
When I find a good 22 magnum revolver with 8 or 9 round cylinder I’m gonna make it a cc gun. For home defense, something that starts with “4” will do nicely, after I empty the SxS buckshot loads.
Any advice for a first time gun owner? I have a springfield XD 9mm sub compact on hold. I know my daughter would never be able to shoot that thing (16 yrs old) I saw a .22 ruger pistol I liked but the gun salesman said it’s not good for home defense. I think it would do just fine and she would be able to handle it if needed. My wife and son and I have shot a 9mm but i want something everyone can be comfy with.
“Well, officer, I shot the burglar twice in the @$$ to help aid you in identifying the perp.”
My thoughts exactly! I’m sure the cops coached him on that one...
“.22 is better than nothing, but .45 would have made a shorter story...”
Not necessarily; a .45 will knock you down and stop you, but typically will not completely penetrate bone and most American belly fat, believe it or not.
While a .45 head or heart shot is lethal, a .22 will go clear through you, unless it hits bone and then it will rattle all through you. A .22 LR will do this from 400 yards or more.
In a gun fight, a .22 is no joke.
There is no reason your Daughter should not be able to handle the XD just fine. Start her out with mild loads if you can find them and be sure and wear eye and ear protection.
If you have a relative who is gun savvy and trustworthy have him help her shoot to start with. The recoil is actually not bad at all but most people get a mental block when it kicks them and they remember it is supposed to kick hard they just assume they really got kicked bad.
If you go with a Ruger, I would start with one of the standard models with a 6 inch barrel. They are reliable and have almost no recoil. They are also more accurate than average. There are plenty of other guns which will do as well including Ruger .22 Revolvers. Just always remember the hearing protector. The noise is most of what seems intimidating to a beginner.
Get the 10 commandments of Gun safety and obey them.
The most important one is to always keep the muzzle pointing in a safe direction, Never let it point at anything you would not want to be destroyed.
And soon thereafter his weapon was lost in a spontaneous canoe flip.
Post a pic of your favorite .22!
All guns are powerful. No one is going to volunteer to be shot, even by a .22 short.
Some guns are more powerful than others, but almost every story I have heard about a .22 shows that it is often more than enough to win a fight.
The ability to practice frequently and build up proficiency is a great virtue.
Many of us will practice frequently with a .22 and carry something more powerful.
Most 16 year old girls can easily master a 9 mm, but starting with a .22 and only picking up the 9 mm after a fair amount of practice is a very sensible thing to do.
When in doubt as to which gun to buy, get both of them.
There are plenty of show and tell videos of the Ruger Sr22 on YouTube and any other weapon you can think of. Plenty of Pro comments on the SR 22 it would not be the first choice of most, but they don't downplay the effectiveness of the 22. There
is effective and more effective, but effective is better than none. I picked up one for my wife yesterday, haven't been to shoot it yet, but it feels great in the hand, much smaller than a nine or 45. I did almost buy a Tarus nine for $350.00, the Ruger should come in at about $325.00 new or $500.00 used not kidding look on eBay :)>
The call to the Sheriff would be something like, "Reporting attempted theft of my tractor and other items from my shed. BOLO for a white pickup last seen heading west, with up to four flat tires, and with the sides and tailgate decorated with at least a dozen .22 caliber holes. Things here are secure, so I suggest you concentrate on apprehending the criminal trespassers in said vehicle first."
(BTW, has anyone ever tried to drive on four flat tires? It doesn't work. I found that out when punks in Phoenix slashed all four of the tires on my rental car. My first impression when it didn't move was, "Is the transmission blown?")
Not sure 22 will penetrate a tire.....I’ll have to test that theory myself.
They will — both sidewalls...
Well how about at 50 years? 100 yd?
That or the bullet followed the inside of the pelvis and “rattled around” inside his abdomen — making hash of his insides...
Most 50 year 22 ammo is too tired to penetrate a tire. The ammo will just stare angrily at the tire and cuss.