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GOP Electoral Ploy Will Backfire
Arizona Daily Sun ^ | January 31, 2013 | Steve & Cokie Roberts

Posted on 01/31/2013 11:13:56 AM PST by fractionated

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To: Impy; fieldmarshaldj; fractionated; AuH2ORepublican; cripplecreek

“Dems don’t like it?”

Then it must be good. Count me in.


61 posted on 02/03/2013 9:10:16 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (Time to musk up.)
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To: fractionated

If you were a liberal Democrat, I’m sure it would.


62 posted on 02/03/2013 10:22:10 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fractionated

Proportional allotment makes a lot more sense than what we have now.


63 posted on 02/03/2013 10:24:26 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Impy

I agree that the proposal is a good one. If the proposed system was used, last year, Romney would have won about 25 electoral votes in California. If every state allocates electoral votes according to the proposed change, presidential candidates would campaign in more states, instead of only caring about several states.


64 posted on 02/03/2013 11:03:15 AM PST by PhilCollins
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To: PhilCollins

If michigan districts went along party lines it would have given Romney 9 districts and Obama 5.

Obviously there are swing districts so Romney would have had an advantage with a little breathing room.

I’d be happy knowing that my district actually got an electoral vote in favor of the guy we voted for even if we lost overall.


65 posted on 02/03/2013 12:21:57 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: katiedidit1

Todd Akin was borderline retarded.


66 posted on 02/03/2013 12:24:40 PM PST by Clemenza ("History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil governm)
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To: katiedidit1

I thought Priebus did a decent job. Every time I heard him he sounded like one of us.

I have no use for Tokyo Rove.


67 posted on 02/03/2013 12:26:48 PM PST by sauropod (I will not comply)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Also, if you work for the government (with the sole exception of those who put their lives on the line in military or police/fire/emergency capacities), you should also not have a vote. You’re voting for your own employment and income at the expense of those who do not.

I'll agree with that if we are excused from paying any taxes (Federal/State/some local).

Otherwise you can go pound sand. 'Pod.

68 posted on 02/03/2013 12:31:33 PM PST by sauropod (I will not comply)
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To: sauropod

You won’t escape taxes, but with drastically fewer government workers voting, I can almost guarantee your tax burden will be reduced.


69 posted on 02/03/2013 1:23:19 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Impy

Sure, we’ll do it in TX—when the Dem legislators adopt it in CA; we’ll do it in GA if they adopt it in NY; we’ll do it in MO if they do it in MN; we’ll do it in TN and IN if they do it in NJ, etc.

I think that a fair method would be to allocate one EV per CD carried and then have the two extra EVs go 1 for the candidate who wins the statewide vote and 1 for the one who carries the most districts (and if there’s a tie in the number of CDs carried, that EV can go to the tied candidate with the most statewide votes).


70 posted on 02/03/2013 1:40:04 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: Impy

Sure, we’ll do it in TX—when the Dem legislators adopt it in CA; we’ll do it in GA if they adopt it in NY; we’ll do it in MO if they do it in MN; we’ll do it in TN and IN if they do it in NJ, etc.

I think that a fair method would be to allocate one EV per CD carried and then have the two extra EVs go 1 for the candidate who wins the statewide vote and 1 for the one who carries the most districts (and if there’s a tie in the number of CDs carried, that EV can go to the tied candidate with the most statewide votes).


71 posted on 02/03/2013 1:40:21 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: Impy; Strategerist; Timber Rattler; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; NFHale; GOPsterinMA; ...
RE :”Frankly this is the best idea the GOP has had in a while. To hell with this disingenuous propaganda article and the 10000 others that have been written (by liberals).
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If every state did this it would be keeping more with the principles of the EC. Back then they were worried about state versus state, North versus South. Now it’s dem-packed urban strongholds within states against the rest of the state.”

Here's some things to consider, I know I have a habit of being the party pooper.

So far a couple of states VA and FL have chickened out on this. That is because the Dems are making it an issue.
Last year Dems used some of the new states voting laws: voter ID + limiting voting times to get out the minority Dem vote. They calling it ‘voter suppression and they broadcast it to get them out to vote. This is likely a reason those states chickened out now on this.

Back in 2006 the Republican congress under GWB re-authorized the Voting Rights Act as is.(to get minority votes I assume.) ‘
That Federal law requires many ‘Southern states’ including VA and FL to get permission from the justice department before changing ANY election laws. This was used last year to kill new voting ID laws in some states.

So I am not optimistic about this going anywhere.

72 posted on 02/03/2013 6:49:49 PM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: sickoflibs; AuH2ORepublican; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; GOPsterinMA; cripplecreek; SunkenCiv; ...

Like I said GOP wussing out is only problem. VRA could be used against us in the South. Can’t save the dems in MI, or PA (states we won’t win statewide unless we’re winning easily anyway so there is zero downside to doing it there) if those states man up.

The dems are filthy hypocrites, after Osama won 1 vote from Nebraska (where along with Maine they have this system) Republicans tried to abolish it in that state where the democrats winning 1 vote from Omaha is only possibility other than the GOP winning them all. The liberal newspapers in state all opposed the move praising the system as the greatest thing since electricity on farms and every democrat in the (officially nonpartisan) state senate voted no and the measure was defeated (since not all the Republicans voted for it).

They are OF COURSE for it where it helps them in a Republican state with 1 competitive district, if it came up in Texas they would pee themselves with glee supporting it. Mentioning this is the perfect counter to shite like this article. Dirty nasty hypocrite swine have no legs to stand on.

MAN UP GOP, GROW SOME PILLS.


73 posted on 02/03/2013 11:12:45 PM PST by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: sickoflibs
That Federal law requires many ‘Southern states’ including VA and FL to get permission from the justice department before changing ANY election laws. This was used last year to kill new voting ID laws in some states.

Yeah, that's a particularly obnoxious part of the Civil Rights Act, to which only the original 11 Confederate Stares are subject. Northern states (like Pennsylvania) don't have to answer to the DOJ on their voting laws, unless of course DOJ sues in federal court.

74 posted on 02/04/2013 2:29:23 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Impy

Meanwhile the democrats are quietly setting up these interstate voting compacts where several states agree to give their electoral votes to the overall winner of those several states.

This means that even if your state votes overwhelmingly republican, your votes will go to the democrats if surrounding states go democrat. Fortunately the deal was killed here in Michigan a few years ago.


75 posted on 02/04/2013 3:58:24 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Timber Rattler

Obviously, when you get caught cheating often enough you don’t get the benefit of the doubt like everybody else.


76 posted on 02/04/2013 4:09:40 AM PST by fractionated
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RE :”Yeah, that's a particularly obnoxious part of the Civil Rights Act, to which only the original 11 Confederate Stares are subject. Northern states (like Pennsylvania) don't have to answer to the DOJ on their voting laws, unless of course DOJ sues in federal court.”

Republican congress under GWB re-authorized it in 2006 as is. Now those states get blocked from passing voting ID laws for even getting rid of early voting, and forget this new idea.

Doesnt look like it got them many minority votes that year or in 2008 either. That made as much sense as giving illegals the vote.

77 posted on 02/04/2013 4:57:41 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: sickoflibs; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj

The 4 years in the middle of Bush where we had both Houses of Congress were horribly squandered.


78 posted on 02/06/2013 4:53:19 PM PST by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: cripplecreek; AuH2ORepublican; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj

Yeah the national popular vote thing, it only goes into effect if states that constitute a majority of the EC pass it.

CA, IL, NJ, WA, MA, VT, HI, and MD have passed it. All were under total rat control when they did (Hawaii overrode the veto of former RINO Governor Lingle).


79 posted on 02/06/2013 5:02:52 PM PST by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: Impy

It was voted down in Michigan a few years ago thank God.


80 posted on 02/06/2013 5:06:04 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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