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Containment and Radical Islam
Reason ^ | February 6, 2013 | Rand Paul

Posted on 02/08/2013 11:07:56 PM PST by neverdem

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1 posted on 02/08/2013 11:08:04 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

So is it about time for a Rand Paul ping list?


2 posted on 02/08/2013 11:29:58 PM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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3 posted on 02/09/2013 12:24:05 AM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: MestaMachine
So is it about time for a Rand Paul ping list?

I've argued for a quarantine around most of Islam. A ping list for a doc with common sense and Constitutional loyalty in the White House? You could sign me up for being on that list.

4 posted on 02/09/2013 12:45:40 AM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Well now. Let me see if I can get a few votes in this and go from there. I mean...I practically live here anyway. FR is my family. What’s one more ping list among family?


5 posted on 02/09/2013 1:12:52 AM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: neverdem
...the war is not with Islam but with a radical element of Islam...

The very core of Islam is, by definition, radical. Every vestige of this murderous, satanic cult must be utterly and totally destroyed. Anything less is submission to the most perverse form of evil that has ever existed in the world.

6 posted on 02/09/2013 1:19:53 AM PST by re_nortex
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To: neverdem
Containment is a start. Paul does not explain how to contain Islamism. He repeats the Paulite and communist lie that the US armed Bin Laden. He forgets that Reagan supported ROLLBACK, not containment. He forgets that arming native Afghans (not MAK) was part of this. Still, this is a worthy debate.

Containing Iran is a joke. Iran is not the USSR. They are not rational actors. The USSR did not have suicide bombers. And they did not have an eschatology where a rain of fire would bring their messiah. Rafsanjani, their previous "moderate" president, said taht Iran was willing to survive a nuclear exchange with Israel. In other words MAD does not apply to them. And a nuclear Iran means that Saudi Arabia and Egypt would get nukes. At that point it becomes inevitable for terrorist groups to get nukes. If Iran gets the bomb, I'm moving out of New York.

Rand also perpetuated the lie that we armed Bin Laden. While we allowed the MAK to fund raise in America (and oh did that bite us with the First World Trade Center attack and related terrorist plots) , we never armed them.

Paul talks about containing radical Islam, but would he support any steps to do so other than not helping the Muslim Brotherhood abroad? Would he support vetting and restricting Muslim immigration? Would he support a crack down on Islamists in America and treating the Muslim Brotherhood like an enemy in the US. They don't get to operate in America and run mosques. Treat CAIR like the German-American Bund. Pressure Europe to do the same. Ron Paul would never support this. I doubt his son has the stomach either.

7 posted on 02/09/2013 1:49:04 AM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: rmlew
Treat CAIR like the German-American Bund.

All of your points are superb. logical and very well stated. The one that I quoted has particular resonance since CAIR is an enemy force within our land.

But which of our politicians has the courage to stand up to Islam? One that spoke without fear was Tom Tancredo who stated that bombing Mecca and other so-called "holy" sites was an option. That sent him to the fringes according to some and he later backtracked a bit on his initial statement. In my estimation, he made a great deal of sense when he justified such force against this evil by adding:

"When we bombed Hiroshima, when we bombed Dresden, we punished a lot of people who were not necessarily guilty. Not every German was a member of the Nazi Party. You do things in war that are ugly."

8 posted on 02/09/2013 2:03:47 AM PST by re_nortex
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To: MestaMachine

There is more sense in that than in the last 200 statements I have seen on foreign policy and fighting Islam by other politicians, combined.

Unfortunately sense and rational discussion and debate have almost no place in today’s Congresses.


9 posted on 02/09/2013 3:17:34 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: neverdem
"War should never be our only option"

1938: 'Peace for our time' - Chamberlain
The British Prime Minister has been hailed as bringing "peace to Europe" after signing a non-aggression pact with Germany.
PM Neville Chamberlain arrived back in the UK today, holding an agreement signed by Adolf Hitler which stated the German leader's desire never to go to war with Britain again.

10 posted on 02/09/2013 3:51:15 AM PST by expat1000
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To: neverdem

Thanks for posting.

A few things...

I need to learn more about Kennan.

Non-radical Islam is arguably non-conforming Islam. The goal of Islam is World dominance, and to think otherwise is foolish.

Good points on lack of Congressional deliberation concerning foreign engagements.

Defers to Mullen and Gates on certain policies. Indicates distance from Haditha and Mil morality. Not happy about that.

His regard for Israel is apparent, but not absolute. Need to know more about his views here.

He’s not his father. Strikes me as a Conservative-Libertarian. Despite the egregious classifications made by a few here, I think that’s a good thing.

I would have not problem with Rand Paul as President, but would also insist he gets an editor.

Rand Paul is a smart guy that obviously appreciates Liberty.

Paul, Cruz, Palin, DeMint; Americans we need to continue supporting.


11 posted on 02/09/2013 4:09:08 AM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: neverdem

STOP with the Radical islam crap.
islam is the problem. islam is the evil that is destroying this world.
Use of the term radical is meant to marginalize the danger that islam is.


12 posted on 02/09/2013 5:19:24 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: neverdem

Rand Paul’s Really Ignorant Paragraph

http://cfif.org/v/freedom_line_blog/17142/rand-pauls-really-ignorant-paragraph/


13 posted on 02/09/2013 7:30:16 AM PST by LSUfan
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To: neverdem
Like communism, radical Islam is an ideology with worldwide reach.

Unlike Communism, radical Islam is NOT top down. If we 'contain' the leaders of Iran it's NOT the same as containing radical Islamists in Iran, Saudi Arabia or any Muslim country. Bin Laden's financial support - and team members - were drawn from all parts of the world.

14 posted on 02/09/2013 10:51:04 AM PST by GOPJ (What EVIDENCE justified blaming Benghazi on... an obscure video? Freeper TexasVoter)
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15 posted on 02/09/2013 5:06:05 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: LSUfan

Thanks LSUfan.


16 posted on 02/09/2013 5:17:18 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: re_nortex; SECURE AMERICA

/bingo


17 posted on 02/09/2013 5:22:44 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: rmlew; expat1000

Well put.


18 posted on 02/09/2013 5:24:24 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


19 posted on 02/09/2013 9:15:25 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: rmlew
If Iran gets the bomb, I'm moving out of New York.

That's rational.

A version of containment might work with Islam. There are conflicts within it that could be exploited. Nixon went to China.

20 posted on 02/09/2013 9:46:13 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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