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Benedict: a conservative whose papacy was dogged by scandal
Reuters ^ | February 11, 2013 | Philip Pullella

Posted on 02/11/2013 8:32:29 AM PST by EveningStar

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To: OpusatFR
He’s 85 for pete’s sake. He’s leaving the bark to someone younger and stronger in this mightily turbulent time.

I understand that. I also know that 2000 years of many steep traditions are hard to change in the Roman Catholic Church. I hope you are right, but I remain skeptical.

21 posted on 02/11/2013 10:52:49 AM PST by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: Williams
How much “outreach” is there from muslims to Christians

Only when they "reach out" to slice your throat.

22 posted on 02/11/2013 12:35:12 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: DoodleDawg
Remember the parable Jesus taught about the boy demoniac the disciples were unable to exorcise? Jesus casts out the demon, then explains that "This kind can only be driven out through prayer and fasting." It's going to be Lent in a couple of days. I think I know what I'm going to be doing.

God knows all the details, and He alone. His plan is Perfect, as is His timing. We waste valuable prayer time worrying (I'm learning this lesson the hard way this month, so I know what I'm talking about here! LOL!) when we need the firm understanding and confidence in the loving care of the Mighty Ruler and Creator of all that exists. He has a plan. That's enough for me. I'm just going to pray that I get to see it advance HIS GLORY.

23 posted on 02/11/2013 12:39:26 PM PST by redhead (PRAY DAILY for a Restoration of the Righteous Intent of America)
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To: catfish1957

Why skeptical? We saw the result of an incapacitated pope after the sex scandal broke. We have heard that Benedict urged John Paul II to resign, and he got to see that slow death upclose. Meanwhile, there was no one at the rudder. The liberals were livid when he was chosen pope and they have dragged their feet on even reform he has made.


24 posted on 02/11/2013 12:59:28 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: DoodleDawg

The odds of a liberal pope now are slim to none.

It will be hard to replace Pope Benedict though; he sets a high bar.


25 posted on 02/11/2013 1:51:26 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: EveningStar
Benedict: a conservative whose papacy was dogged by scandal

I just HATE when that happens!!




Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]

Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy

Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy

Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]

Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

26 posted on 02/11/2013 2:19:14 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga
Does it fry your egggs that I got your thread posted with one reply for posting this garbage?

Patience.

It's up to 26 now...

27 posted on 02/11/2013 2:21:24 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: D-fendr
The odds of a liberal pope now are slim to none.

But higher if the conclave looks to Latin America or Africa for a replacement, as has been speculated. Regardless, no Pope has had his predecessor looking over his shoulder for 600 years, and that one had his predecessor tossed into prison. I doubt the next Pope will have that option.

28 posted on 02/11/2013 2:24:28 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: D-fendr

It seems whenever we elect a new Pontiff the left salvates with hope that the new Pope will mean the Church will sanction gay marriage and abortion and contraception. Not likely. A new Pope scares me that something will happen...like state interference with the Papal election process either flagrantly or covertly. Dictators, in a creepy sort of way, are obsessed with the power and influence of the Church. They want it for themselves.


29 posted on 02/11/2013 2:36:38 PM PST by virgil
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To: DoodleDawg
"Liberal" is a tricky term here. Any pope is going to look liberal on economic issues to a lot of Americans. The last two popes would, but theologically, they're seen as conservative.

From what I've heard African Catholics are more conservative theologically than the Western Europeans or North Americans. If that's true, there will be a greater chance of changes in doctrine if a "Westerner" is the next pope. But it's hard to say. I suspect there could be big changes whoever accedes.

Philip Pullella has written a lot of articles. From what I can tell he has it for Benedict's or John Paul II's Catholic Church. This article is just so much paint by the numbers stuff. Any pope is going to be seen as "conservative" and "dogged by scandal" by the secular left. Pullella didn't have to think or research much to come up with such an expected and unsurprising boilerplate verdict.

30 posted on 02/11/2013 2:46:34 PM PST by x
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To: DoodleDawg
The odds of a liberal pope now are slim to none.

But higher if the conclave looks to Latin America or Africa for a replacement, as has been speculated.

Wow, what would that be like -- a "liberation theology" red-hot from S.America in the Vatican, to pull in harness with Barack I?

That'd be a real pair of jokers!

31 posted on 02/11/2013 3:11:28 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: verga
Not really...as all these brainwashed papists gush and prostrate over the departure of an old anti-Protestant bigot I felt it only...well, American...to point out his shortcomings...

...the old Nazi fart was just a man like anyone else, get it?

32 posted on 02/11/2013 3:50:16 PM PST by Happy Rain ("Banning guns over Adam Lanza is like banning speech over Bill Maher.")
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To: DoodleDawg

Pope Benedict has no veto over the selection; however, he did select a lot of those doing the selection. And I believe his legacy will include bringing the Church back from some of the over-reaching implementation of Vatican II.

I think I will be praying and trusting in the Holy Spirit - which brought us Pope Benedict!

Thank you very much for your reply, much appreciated.


33 posted on 02/11/2013 4:39:18 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: OpusatFR

Pope John Paul II was in far worse health, and did not resign. As smart as Pope John Paul II was, Pope Benedict was even probably even smarter, and more rigorously well-versed in the issues impacting the Church, and he knows what a terrible consequence this action will have.


34 posted on 02/11/2013 7:47:41 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: EveningStar

ABC radio news blurb captured the liberal spin against Ratzinger in about three lines. He’s stepping down but is still power hungry because he will influence the next pope’s election from behind the scenes. He was too conservative and a more progressive new pope should be chosen. This point was made through audio of a college girl saying Catholicism should permit women priests.

A perfect gem of liberal agitprop, and thoroughly typical of ABC radio news.


35 posted on 02/11/2013 7:57:26 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Happy Rain; verga

Happy Drain, aren’t you missed on huffingtonpost?


36 posted on 02/12/2013 1:35:42 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos
Like I said the haters are out in full force.
I was in the Seminary (as a Lay student) when JPII passed away. I warned the vocational candidates what was going to happen and they thought I was nuts. Three days later everyone of them apologized.
37 posted on 02/12/2013 2:30:49 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: verga

I call them liberals, not haters. These are people with no life and no beliefs except that they have this uncontrollable urge to say they are not Caflix


38 posted on 02/12/2013 2:51:27 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Elsie
Patience. It's up to 26 now...

Hippy Drain is walking around all bent out of shape because he posted a bigoted thread about B XVI and I helped to get it pulled before more than 3 people replied.

39 posted on 02/12/2013 6:42:18 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: verga

AHhhh... I see.


40 posted on 02/12/2013 9:22:53 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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