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Texas: Jerry Patterson Supports Statewide Property Tax
Texas Tribune ^ | February 14, 2013 | Elena Schneide

Posted on 02/14/2013 1:41:38 PM PST by Sic Parvis Magna

Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson, a declared candidate for the 2014 lieutenant governor's race, did not rule out supporting a statewide property tax to benefit public education funding, and he said that Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst has lost his "ability to sell" the issues.

Patterson, who made his comments Thursday during a TribLive conversation, said a statewide property tax, rather than local property taxes, “might be the answer” to the financing inequities in different counties. Such a move would require that a constitutional prohibition against that tax to be repealed.

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The entirety of Patterson's comments have not been uploaded yet, but in his discussion with Evan Smith today, Patterson came out in support of a statewide property tax to replace the "byzantine" tax structure that currently exists with the property tax cap and over a thousand taxing districts.

Personally, I think Patterson is right. A simplified tax structure will help tax payers and possibly keep the state out of court for the foreseeable future.

Unfortunately, he will probably tax a lot of heat for his support for a statewide property tax.

1 posted on 02/14/2013 1:41:42 PM PST by Sic Parvis Magna
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To: Sic Parvis Magna

Should say “take” instead of “tax in that last sentence.


2 posted on 02/14/2013 1:42:59 PM PST by Sic Parvis Magna
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To: Sic Parvis Magna

Jerry wants Texas to be California!


3 posted on 02/14/2013 1:48:21 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: Sic Parvis Magna

I don’t like it. We’ll end up with an additional tax.


4 posted on 02/14/2013 1:49:32 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Exactly. They will add an tax to the existing taxes. It will be the State of Taxes not Texas.


5 posted on 02/14/2013 1:52:27 PM PST by shankbear (The tree of Liberty appears to be perishing because there are few patriots willing to refresh it.)
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To: Sic Parvis Magna

Property taxes are evil and abused, no matter if they are administered by local or state governments. Just say NO to them, period.


6 posted on 02/14/2013 1:52:37 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Sic Parvis Magna; Reddon; Ditter; Jane Long; DirtyHarryY2K; Clay Moore; Bigun; hadaclueonce; ...
Dewhurst needs to be gone. But I'm not interested in replacing him with another big government RINO.

I had tentatively leaned to supporting Patterson. No more unless he refutes a state property tax.

Give Dewhurst the Boot in 2014 (((Ping List)))

To be added or removed from this list, freepmail me.
This is a low volume ping list at this time.

/johnny

7 posted on 02/14/2013 1:52:55 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Sic Parvis Magna

Just another transfer of wealth scheme.


8 posted on 02/14/2013 1:53:37 PM PST by I want the USA back
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To: shankbear

So, would we end up with a statewide school district?

Will Texas tell “rich” districts to keep subsidizing the “poor” ones?


9 posted on 02/14/2013 1:55:25 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL
At least the local politicians are close to hand if rope and lamp-posts are required.

I can annoy them personally on a regular basis, and have a much greater impact on their election.

/johnny

10 posted on 02/14/2013 1:55:52 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Sic Parvis Magna

Sounds like Robin Hood Redux.


11 posted on 02/14/2013 1:55:53 PM PST by ken in texas (I was taught to respect my elders but it keeps getting harder to find any.)
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To: Sic Parvis Magna

Robin Hood sucks!

Not sure how the state being involved would help.


12 posted on 02/14/2013 1:57:45 PM PST by WCH
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To: Sic Parvis Magna
Patterson can KMA. We already have a "statewide" property tax through Robin Hood.
If he had any smarts, he would work on a platform of lower property taxes since the educational system seems to be putting out a sorry excuse for a product.
13 posted on 02/14/2013 1:57:52 PM PST by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: Sic Parvis Magna

Will that mean that the appraisal will be statewide too?
And then you will have to go to Austin to appeal your appraisal?


14 posted on 02/14/2013 1:58:37 PM PST by Elderberry
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To: GeronL

Don’t we already have that with “Robin Hood”?


15 posted on 02/14/2013 1:58:37 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: JRandomFreeper

Yeah, as draconian as our local property taxes are, the ability to restrain state politicos from going whole hog on a statewide property tax structure would be harder to manage.


16 posted on 02/14/2013 1:59:40 PM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Sic Parvis Magna

Maybe it would help if we stop building high school football stadiums that NFL teams would envy.


17 posted on 02/14/2013 2:00:11 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

but right now “rich” districts can spend additional money on themselves that won’t be allowed if the state controls the tax rates and they can’t add to what the states doles out to them.

We are going to end up with lowest common denominator schools statewide.


18 posted on 02/14/2013 2:02:46 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: dfwgator
IIRC Robin Hood went after the tax collectors to return the money to the people, it's a shame the tale got twisted to taking money from the rich to the poor.

BTW, say NO to this, this is one of the pluses Texas has over many States. Anyhoo, funding public education, you might as well take the money and toss it into rathole.
19 posted on 02/14/2013 2:03:50 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: Sic Parvis Magna

did not rule out supporting a statewide property tax to benefit public education funding,

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Take from the wealthy to give to the poor. Granted property assessment across the varying districts are anywhere near equal. Just look at some of the top football complexes amongst some of the high schools.

However education needs to be funded via some method be it property tax, sales tax, or some other method of taking the money from the populace.


20 posted on 02/14/2013 2:04:58 PM PST by deport
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To: GeronL

A court just found the school financing scheme violates the law. We do need an overhaul but not a new tax without the old one going away.


21 posted on 02/14/2013 2:07:07 PM PST by shankbear (The tree of Liberty appears to be perishing because there are few patriots willing to refresh it.)
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To: TADSLOS
The local politicians know I'll go door to door, either working for them, or trying to keep them from being elected.

Patterson is on the cusp of making a big mistake if he persists. I will campaign against anyone that is pro-statewide property tax.

There's a reason I have the Boot Dewhurst ping list.

/johnny

22 posted on 02/14/2013 2:07:36 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: GeronL

You could pour a billion more dollars into DISD, it ain’t gonna make a difference....you can lead a horse to water....


23 posted on 02/14/2013 2:09:08 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Sic Parvis Magna

You have to love property taxes.

You earned money, and actually kept much less due to taxes.

With that left over money, you purchased land.

And the sleezy pieces of feces want to tax you again on it.

Each year.

And then take most of it when you kick the bucket.

Really, why do we take this cr...er....Obamastuff?


24 posted on 02/14/2013 2:09:33 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: dfwgator

No doubt, but you’d have to convince local voter they don’t need them, since they’re the ones voting on those bonds. Still can’t believe how much the 1a school I attended spent on the new stadium; pretty ridiculous.


25 posted on 02/14/2013 2:10:32 PM PST by Sic Parvis Magna
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To: Da Coyote

And if you think you “own” the land, let’s see just how long you’ll have it if you don’t pay our masters.


26 posted on 02/14/2013 2:10:54 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: GeronL; Sic Parvis Magna

GeronL is right-we will end up with an additional tax, and it will never go away. It is a Robin Hood tax, too-”to the financing inequities in different counties”-just like the current system to fund school districts.

The property tax system as it pertains to the education system is already a forced redistribution of wealth, and needs to be gotten rid of, not added to. I’d prefer to see the fed out of the education business totally, and maybe privatize it completely.


27 posted on 02/14/2013 2:11:17 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: GeronL

Sounds like the plan..............


28 posted on 02/14/2013 2:13:42 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LAVE)
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To: Elderberry

Based on previous discussions of this, I think the proposal was that the appraisals would still be local and the tax would be a percentage of your appraisal. I would need to go back and look that though to verify.


29 posted on 02/14/2013 2:14:13 PM PST by Sic Parvis Magna
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To: dfwgator
Maybe it would help if we stop building high school football stadiums that NFL teams would envy.

A bit overstated, gator. LOL.

I've been to the new stadium in Allen, and it was pretty impressive. Considering the HS has over 5000 students, the facilities will be in great demand.

I live in the Coppell ISD, and about half of our local taxes go to "poorer" districts throughout the state. To make up for it, we get nickeled and dimed to death on activity fees and "write a check" campaigns to offset some of that.

30 posted on 02/14/2013 2:14:13 PM PST by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: Sic Parvis Magna
I live in Nebraska where we have local property taxes. We continually get totally screwed by the school district.

$3800 per year on my $165,000 house. Property taxes on my cars, motorcycle, jet ski,.

If you don't have it I would fight it tooth and nail because anyone who can levy and spend someone elses money is always wanting more.

31 posted on 02/14/2013 2:15:14 PM PST by Newbomb Turk ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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To: Night Hides Not
Considering the HS has over 5000 students, the facilities will be in great demand.

Great...so, how does that help to improve education?

32 posted on 02/14/2013 2:16:53 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: GeronL
Given that it would have to go through the amendment process and be passed through a referendum (thus making it incredibly unlikely), they couldn't get it through that process if it was an additional tax. They would have to make it so that a statewide property tax replaced the local property taxes.

Whether it's a property tax, sales tax, etc., there will have to be a statewide tax for schools eventually, because the courts have already ruled the cap amounts to a statewide property tax and just trying to reform the system will mean the state is back in court again and again.

33 posted on 02/14/2013 2:19:31 PM PST by Sic Parvis Magna
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To: GeronL
I just emailed Patterson and told him to clarify his position, and that if he was for moving taxation to Austin from local governments that I would actively campaign against him.

Also mentioned that I run the Boot Dewhurst pinglist on FR. :)

I worked hard for Cruz locally, because he's a conservative. I'll work just as hard to get rid of a liberal GOP-E type like Dewhurst.

Or Patterson, should he come down on the side of centralizing property taxes down in Austin.

/johnny

34 posted on 02/14/2013 2:20:50 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: shankbear

if local taxpayers in town A decide to raise their tax or bonds to spend a bit more, why does this disadvantage the people of town B who chose not to?


35 posted on 02/14/2013 2:21:09 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: WCH

The state is already involved. They created the Robin Hood recapture program in the first place and the cap on property taxes, all while placing more of the funding burden on ISDs through mandates, etc. And throughout all of this the courts have ruled that the system is inequitable based on the Texas Constitution. All the “fixes” (like Robin Hood) have been in response to those court rulings. And after the next court ruling, we will have to come back find another “fix.” Either we get in front of this by creating a statewide tax - a) statewide property tax or b) increasing the sales tax - or we keep doing the same thing over and over and over again.


36 posted on 02/14/2013 2:27:40 PM PST by Sic Parvis Magna
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To: Sic Parvis Magna

Are you dreaming? Yes, it would be great to simplify the tax structure but do you really think the multitude of taxing districts will go away or that the net tax will not INCREASE?

There are a lot of things about Texas that are a myth. One of them is value placed on all and nothing but opportunity.... it is only good as long as you are working. If you aren’t working it is likely you won’t be able to afford your property taxes.

You lose your work and you lose your ability to pay your property taxes which are just about as high as income taxes in other states but at least what you pay taxes on is a choice as long as you work.

This will turn out like the Franchise Tax which is staked in the loudly proclaimed principles of the Republic of Texas which does not allow for an income tax. Instead they just taxed gross income so even if you don’t profit you pay taxes. Brilliant. I’ll add that the tax also penalizes success since if you make over more than 10mm gross in ANY jurisdiction your Texas gross income Franchise Tax rate DOUBLES. If that isn’t liberal progressive taxation I don’t know what is.


37 posted on 02/14/2013 2:29:13 PM PST by Sequoyah101
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To: Sic Parvis Magna

SO, would that forbid local districts spending more with a local tax?


38 posted on 02/14/2013 2:29:43 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: JRandomFreeper

bump


39 posted on 02/14/2013 2:29:51 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL
Will Texas tell “rich” districts to keep subsidizing the “poor” ones?

Most likely...when I hear the word inequities I hear redistribute.

...statewide property tax, rather than local property taxes, “might be the answer” to the financing inequities in different counties.

40 posted on 02/14/2013 2:38:30 PM PST by Jane Long
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to the financing inequities in different counties.

Well somebody has to pay for all of those illegals.

41 posted on 02/14/2013 2:39:47 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Jane Long

“Inequities” is a cringe word


42 posted on 02/14/2013 2:45:02 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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if local taxpayers in town A decide to raise their tax or bonds to spend a bit more, why does this disadvantage the people of town B who chose not to?

EXACTLY! If Town A thinks they need a $25 million dollar high school, then why in the HELL does Town B think they DESERVE a $25 million dollar high school? Even worse - why in the HELL do the Federal courts get to tell Town A to help pay for Town B's school!

It is ALL utter and complete BS! This is the same crap that Baghdad Beckel was spewing on O'Riely the other night: these people are trapped in these awful settings and we need to raid those who were smart enough to get out and start anew to support the people too STUPID to change or move! Eff em!
43 posted on 02/14/2013 2:47:46 PM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Sic Parvis Magna

Get a rope.


44 posted on 02/14/2013 2:47:58 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Night Hides Not

“in great demand”

how many home games in a season? 4? 5?


45 posted on 02/14/2013 2:48:11 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: dfwgator

very true


46 posted on 02/14/2013 2:51:03 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: ExTxMarine

bump


47 posted on 02/14/2013 2:51:44 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

> I don’t like it. We’ll end up with an additional tax.

Exactly. The won’t replace the standard city, school, and county taxes; they’ll end up just adding it on top. You know I was thinking how about a politician carbon tax based upon how much they talk out of both sides of their mouth. Surely it has to be causing some serious damage to the environment and contributing to global warming...also a tax on any legislation they draft that doesn’t apply to them.../s


48 posted on 02/14/2013 2:57:18 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Sic Parvis Magna

RH was nothing but redistribution...funny that. If we ‘removed’ the major obstacle (illegals) this might not be in the news.

The big question is whether it will cost more than RH.


49 posted on 02/14/2013 3:01:29 PM PST by WCH
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To: Sic Parvis Magna
Whomever his opponent is just got my vote.
50 posted on 02/14/2013 3:01:37 PM PST by bgill
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