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Pop Vitamin C Tablets, Get a Kidney Stone
Real Clear Science ^ | February 8, 2013 | Alex B. Berezow

Posted on 02/16/2013 11:50:50 PM PST by neverdem

Vitamin supplements are popular items these days. Vitamin C is particularly popular in the winter, when people pop tablets at the first sign of a cold. However, data indicates that vitamin C doesn't actually prevent colds, but long-term use may slightly reduce the severity or duration of a cold when you do catch one.

So, should we all start popping vitamin C tablets every day? Probably not. A new study in JAMA Internal Medicine showed that men who took 1,000-mg tablets of vitamin C were twice as likely to develop kidney stones as men who did not take vitamin C supplements. (See chart below.) The effect was not observed for men who took multivitamins.

To determine relative risk (RR), the authors compared the rate of kidney stones in men who did not take vitamin supplements (163 per 100,000 person-years) to the rate of kidney stones in men who took vitamin C supplements (310 per 100,000 person-years). Dividing 310 by 163 gives a crude RR of 1.90, which in this case, is the same as the age-adjusted RR...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: kidneystone; nephrolithiasis; vitaminc; vitc
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1 posted on 02/16/2013 11:50:53 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Nothing but your standard medical bullshit.

I've been taking 5g a day of Vitamin C for years. I've never had a kidney stone. My brother does not. He gets kidney stones. QED.

2 posted on 02/16/2013 11:57:07 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: neverdem

In other words, there is NO statistical difference between NOT taking 1000MG of vitamin C or actually taking 1000MG vitamin C when it comes down to kidney stones in men. This is nothing less than DISinformation.

NO data about its obvious effectiveness in helping with the common cold...

Gee whiz, Wally, do you think there might be something ELSE going on?


3 posted on 02/17/2013 12:03:48 AM PST by Don W (There is no gun problem, there is a lack of humanity problem!)
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To: neverdem
Everybody who has ever had a Kidney stone has ate a Carrot.
Stay away from the Carrots.
4 posted on 02/17/2013 12:10:00 AM PST by MaxMax
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To: MaxMax

Yup. Statistics, it takes a Feynmannian intellect (or a small bit of common sense) to spot the nonsense.


5 posted on 02/17/2013 12:45:03 AM PST by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: neverdem

Total bullshit. I have been taking five grams a day for nearly forty years — ever since Dr Linus Pauling wrote his famous book and have never had a kidney stone. Or a cold. Or any other major disease.


6 posted on 02/17/2013 1:12:04 AM PST by BullDog108 (FUBO)
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To: neverdem
This just in:
EVERYBODY YES EVERYBODY who eats carrots will DIE.
7 posted on 02/17/2013 1:20:22 AM PST by DeaconRed (I want to see ZERO frog marched off to the Federal Pen with Hitlery & others with him.)
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To: neverdem

Never heard this one before regarding Vit. C and kidney stones, however, I’d stay away from excessive amounts of Tums for heartburn. I used to take pretty many, and I did get a kidney stone; no more Tums for me.


8 posted on 02/17/2013 1:25:04 AM PST by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: neverdem

kidney stones are due to diet, genetics, and how much liquid you drink.


9 posted on 02/17/2013 1:36:01 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: cynwoody
Nothing but your standard medical bullshit.
I've been taking 5g a day of Vitamin C for years. I've never had a kidney stone. My brother does not. He gets kidney stones. QED.

This is anecdotal, not statistical. Maybe you generate kidney stones so often and excrete them while they are so small that you think you do not have them. I dunno. But since I have had kidney stones several times, and the last one was 9 mm long x ~6 mm diameter, and cost several thousands for the lithitripsy, I think I'm going to give the statistics in this article some thought more than your anecdotal conclusion. And I'm posting this to suggest that others do likewise.

10 posted on 02/17/2013 2:47:41 AM PST by imardmd1
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To: neverdem

Correlation is not Causation.


11 posted on 02/17/2013 3:00:37 AM PST by Makana (Today's solution is tomorrow's problem.)
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To: Makana

True, but it is unclear which or how many other supplements the researchers controlled for. Of the vitamin C users, 3.4 percent developed kidney stones for the first time during the study, compared to 1.8 percent of non-supplement users.

Obviously the vast majority of men taking it are not coming down with kidney stones. That doesn’t mean the findings are useless. I take 500 mg a day with an iron tablet and am going to ask about continuing at my next visit to the doctor.


12 posted on 02/17/2013 3:09:35 AM PST by erlayman
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To: mlizzy

Regular orange juice I thought was actually beneficial in preventing kidney stones, maybe it is only the ascorbic acid in tablet form or in high doses that presents problems for some folks ??


13 posted on 02/17/2013 3:28:39 AM PST by erlayman
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To: neverdem

A few comments on Vit C intake: 99% of C is manufactured in China. I would eat nothing made in China. 2. Vit C is metabolized to oxalate which in combination with calcium forms calcium oxalate crystals, the basis of some forms of stones in humans. 3. Vit C is an antioxidant, having other health benefits. 4. Taking massive doses probably leads to an increase in stone incidence in susceptible people. 4. Massive doses of C are simply excreted in the urine, most unmetabolized. 5. Vit C’s effect on fighting the common cold is highly controversial and is probably of negligible benefit. 6. Vit C will prevent scurvy based on both experimental proof and 100% response rate in human clinical trials. In summary, pertaining to this study, Vit C most likely does lead to an increase incidence of kidney stones in susceptible populations of people.


14 posted on 02/17/2013 3:37:52 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: BullDog108

Linus died of cancer.


15 posted on 02/17/2013 3:39:18 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: mlizzy

Vit C kidney stone connection has been around for a few decades.


16 posted on 02/17/2013 3:40:36 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: neverdem
I take a half teaspons of baking soda to relieve heartburn, works great and is much cheaper than antacids.

With that being said, I've read that baking soda will also help prevent and disolve existing kidney stones........

17 posted on 02/17/2013 3:40:56 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Give this man the cigar.


18 posted on 02/17/2013 3:41:35 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Neoliberalnot; Secret Agent Man; Hot Tabasco
I have been trying, unsuccessfully, to get kidney stones for DECADES.

I will name them and raise them and homeschool and everything.

19 posted on 02/17/2013 3:43:22 AM PST by Lazamataz (Republicans have the same policies as the Democrats, except for the part where they win elections.)
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To: erlayman

Good comment. If you are male, I would suggest you avoid the iron supplement.


20 posted on 02/17/2013 3:44:37 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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