Posted on 02/21/2013 8:00:07 PM PST by wesagain
How would you feel if you received a letter from the U.S. Government informing you that because of a physical or mental condition that the government says you have it is proposing to rule that you are incompetent to handle your own financial affairs?
What if that letter also stated: “A determination of incompetency will prohibit you from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate any of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 18, United States Code 924(a)(2).”?
That makes is sound like something right from a documentary on a tyrannical dictatorship somewhere in the world. Yet, as I write this I have a copy of such a letter right in front of me. It is being sent by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs to hundreds, perhaps thousands, of America’s heroes. In my capacity as Executive Director of the United States Justice Foundation (USJF) I have been contacted by some of these veterans and the stories I am getting are appalling.
The letter provides no specifics on the reasons for the proposed finding of incompetency; just that is based on a determination by someone in the VA. In every state in the United States no one can be declared incompetent to administer their own affairs without due process of law and that usually requires a judicial hearing with evidence being offered to prove to a judge that the person is indeed incompetent. This is a requirement of the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution that states that no person shall “… be deprived of life, .............
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It looks like the folks who have filed for disability for PTSD (etc) may be losing their gun rights, eh?
Patently unconstitutional (regardless if good idea or bad).
What privilege are you talking about?
Are you a complete idiot?
I do not think a letter overrides the second amendment
So, how do they get the guns from the old people? If they knew the old people had them, then they could withhold their social security check until they turned in their guns. Some states now that require a gun to be registered, would provide the data base for that state and the feds would stop those SS checks until the guns were turned in.
In states where guns are not registered, how would they know which old people had them and how many they had?
Never register a gun. When you pass 65, if that is the age limit, you could lose your guns or your check.
Hussein wants our guns and he will make “rules” to get them.
No but it sure sounds like the VA has the control right now. I guess you think your little statement is going to change what is going on.....maybe you are the complete idiot. I see you are really changing things....ROTFLMAO.
There’s a difference between a privilege and a right.
Fine. Right then. I still think it is a slippery slope. I guess you guys think this is just grand. I find it rather a bad thing.
I've had it myself from some events in my life that weren't pleasant ones in a fairly short time. I got help. This policy will do nothing but discourage persons from getting help. Furthermore without substancial evidence they violate the VETS Constitutional Rights and due process.
Well, here it is.
I believe the FFL forms one fills out during gun purchases asks if one has ever been “adjudicated” mentally ill - that is, found mentally ill by the preponderance of evidence in a judicial detention or commitment hearing. Such hearings are only held, as far as I know from having testified in them in a number of states, when the person is suspected - because of a mental illness - of presenting an immanent and substantial danger to self or others, or to be “gravely disabled,” i.e. unable to meet basic needs for food, clothing and shelter.
That a Federal bureaucracy such as the VA, based on mere review of records, presumes to bypass this whole judicial process, and thus deprive due process rights to the very vets who have come to them for help, is, if true, extremely disturbing.
Oh, Coordinator of Naps...the 2nd amendment is an unalienable right and NOT a privledge.
But I get your drift.
Looks like no one who values the Bill of Rights should expect fair treatment from the government, especially if expecting an entitlement.
I know a few who have PTSD (no I did not sit in therapy sessions). I do know that they are receiving monthly payments for PTSD. This is how the VA is getting around this....they are giving money and OF COURSE they are attaching conditions on continuing the money. Oh they won’t come out and say that but I guarantee that this is their goal or desires.
That was when we were under the Constitution, my FRiend. That was before the majority of those that vote decided they would rather live as slaves dependent upo the Government to wipe their collective asses than to live as free responsible citizens.
You are 1 MILLION percent correct!!!!! You are the ONLY one who gets it!!!!!!
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