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Florida man vanishes after being sucked into sinkhole under his bedroom
miamiherald.com ^ | March 1, 2013 | Miami Herald

Posted on 03/01/2013 7:51:50 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper

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To: wardaddy

Yeah. I wouldn’t call it “hate.” It’s just callous, ignorant, unfeeling, inhuman jackasses, acting like callous, ignorant, unfeeling, inhuman jackasses.

What a horrible thing, for the entire family. They are apparently still searching for the missing brother and have not given up hope yet. It might be that he is still alive. I would say it’s unlikely, but people have survived unlikely things before. Prayers for the whole family.


41 posted on 03/01/2013 11:43:50 AM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Listened to the video here:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/01/17145165-sinkhole-sucks-florida-man-from-his-bedroom-into-the-earth?lite

It doesn’t sound likely to me that they will recover Jeffrey Bush alive.


42 posted on 03/01/2013 11:51:54 AM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: longfellowsmuse; OKRA2012

I hate to say it, but you guys are jerks.

This was a very modest and, judging by the tattoos, a somewhat downwardly mobile white family living a very modest house in a very modest neighborhood.

So that means you should laugh at them or their deaths?


43 posted on 03/01/2013 12:04:48 PM PST by livius
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To: wardaddy

For most of my 53 years, I have lived in or, at least, had family in Florida. I believe this is the first fatal sinkhole I have heard about. I do know that with the lowering water table in Florida, they have become more common.


44 posted on 03/01/2013 12:35:51 PM PST by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: livius

umm... I merely said I would like to know more about the family. I did no laughing . don’t know how that warrants me a jerk as nothing was implied by my question.


45 posted on 03/01/2013 12:44:48 PM PST by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: longfellowsmuse

Because people here always laugh at “white trash,” which is probably what these people were, or at least marginally, and I thought you were doing that too.

My apologies if that’s not what you meant.


46 posted on 03/01/2013 12:55:57 PM PST by livius
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To: wardaddy

Thanks for the reply but I think it’s obvious I wasn’t speaking to you.


47 posted on 03/01/2013 12:57:20 PM PST by rhoda_penmark
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To: thackney

OK, that’s alarming. Its like Central Florida is getting sucked down into the void.


48 posted on 03/01/2013 1:04:53 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: rhoda_penmark
it's called a courtesy ping hon....those listed after the first addressee

Its quite common to ping relevant parties on a thread especially if you are in agreement as we are....and a few others i see

I don't courtesy ping those i disagree with

Why invite heartburn

I don't know why some delight in tragedy

And I'm glad u don't

49 posted on 03/01/2013 1:37:30 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I feel awful for the man and his family. What a terrifying way to die.


50 posted on 03/01/2013 7:25:24 PM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
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51 posted on 03/01/2013 7:33:44 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: JRandomFreeper
What you probably don't understand yet, is that in this very rare sudden lethal sinkhole, a man desperately tried to save the life of his brother, who he heard screaming for help inside the house, before LEOs arrived and forced him away.

As I understand the situation as of now, the outside shell of the house is still standing, but most of the entire interior home flooring is now gone, not just the original single bedroom where Jeff Bush was last heard alive, screaming for help.

If you are not familiar with sinkholes, you may be familiar with cavernous springs. A small, short chimney, with a narrow drop before hitting a pool of water, possibly hundreds of feet, and potentially hundreds of width in diameter.
But Jeff may still be alive down there.
We don't yet know that he is dead.

Do you also make jokes about trapped miners?

For many, many hours no attempts to even try to rescue Jeff were allowed by “authorities”.
None of us here in the local area know if that was the right call.

But as of now, there has been no reports of rescue attempts or “recovery efforts” .

You should know better than to spout trash talk in a serious situation like this, JRandomFreeper.

But what you claim your kids would do, is probably correct.

52 posted on 03/01/2013 7:51:30 PM PST by sarasmom (The obvious takes longer to discover for the obtuse.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

That photo shows them running a electrical resistivity survey - checking for more voids in the front yard. Probably so they can safely bring in heavy equipment to try to recover the body.

Sad. I wonder where his drain spouts go. This type of terrain one wants to make sure they drain a good ways from the house.


53 posted on 03/01/2013 7:58:37 PM PST by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: sarasmom
Wasn't trash talk. I feel for his family. But I've been there, done that on the dying in nature's embrace thing. I just didn't get quite to the finish line.

I think you are being oversensitive and somewhat obnoxious with your holier-than-thou attitude.

I made jokes about my own near demise while I was still unable to sit up by myself in the trauma care center. Hell, I still talk about missing my left kidney, but my spleen and I never really talked anyway...

Get over yourself.

/johnny

54 posted on 03/01/2013 8:02:58 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: 21twelve

On the google street view it shows the front drain spout with no extension, dumping 1/3 of the roof water into that corner. I imagine the same goes for the back drain.


55 posted on 03/01/2013 8:05:32 PM PST by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: sarasmom
Oh... one other thing.

My kids WOULD do that, because they have also been deployed and lost folks in terrible ways. They are fairly practical about issues like that and not oversensitive weeps.

Have a good weekend.

/johnny

56 posted on 03/01/2013 8:07:37 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Get over your own ignorant, obnoxious self.
Nobody was amused by your contribution to this topic.

You don’t feel anything for this man’s family, and you have not “been there, done that”.

Why not open up a big bottle of STFU, and take a long gulp?
(Do I still sound “holier than thou” to you?)

I did agree with you that your kids would probably be right in just ignoring your demise, should you suddenly die.

Jeff Bush has an extended family and a large local community that does care about him, during this horrible situation.

Maybe you should work on expanding your sensitivity.
Or at the very least, refraining from trash talk about innocent victims of sudden lethal situations.

57 posted on 03/01/2013 8:26:59 PM PST by sarasmom (The obvious takes longer to discover for the obtuse.)
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A lot of “sinkholes” now appearing in Florida aren’t natural limestone sinkholes, although we certainly have plenty of those, this is karst country.
But there’s also the type of voids created some decades ago, when developers dozed up huge swaths of saw palmetto and other trees in low areas along the coast where instead of limestone there’s often just deep cypress dome peat bogs, and rather than burn these mountains of wood or haul it away it was used as fill in ponds, swamps and other spots that otherwise would have been too low to build on.

There could be football field size voids left this way that are far more unstable than a limestone sink. Filling with downed trees and brush was a cost saving effort for contractors since fill dirt isn’t cheap in Florida, plus it hid the tell-tale signs of a possible flood prone area by burying saw palmetto. Then they piled many feet of typical Florida sandy soil on top and built on it, and covered it with a thin layer of better soil so it could support lawns.

For decades the houses stood fine atop twenty foot tall piles of logs and branches, but eventually the buried wood rotted away and settled, leaving a void. The void might slowly sank with the weight of the house, especially if networks of big tree roots are allowed to grow, or they might collapse catastrophically if someone suddenly decides to cut old trees all at once and their roots decay, or if there’s a deluge.

In the case of the man-made sinkholes, several will often appear in the same neighborhood at roughly the same time because the houses were all built at the same time and so the hidden woodpiles beneath have rotted away at the same rate.

Which type of sinkhole this one is I don’t know, but I bet a lot of people will be looking closely at their foundations tomorrow before going to sleep.


58 posted on 03/01/2013 8:41:19 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Jeff Winston

In an earlier story, the local rescue director said they’d done testing of the ground and there was no sign of life. It’s heartbreaking for this family. An aunt who lives there refused to leave, staying in her car nearby and hoping she’d be there for the return of her nephew.


59 posted on 03/01/2013 8:41:43 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: piasa

I wonder if ground penetrating radar could detect such voids.


60 posted on 03/01/2013 8:53:40 PM PST by fattigermaster (Train for life in prison because they are stacking the bricks and setting the bars around you.)
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