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The Great Ammunition Myth - The government is not planning a violent putdown of civil unrest.
National Review Online ^ | March 5, 2013 | Charles C. W. Cooke

Posted on 03/05/2013 4:31:55 PM PST by neverdem

Last year, the Social Security Administration put out a procurement request for 174,000 rounds of “.357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point pistol ammunition,” prompting a few on the Internet to work themselves up into something of a frenzy. “It’s not outlandish,” claimed Paul Joseph Wilson, one of a team of professional paranoiacs on the Infowars website, “to suggest that the Social Security Administration is purchasing the bullets as part of preparations for civil unrest.” “Something strange is going on,” harmonized Breitbart’s William Bigelow. Even Mark Levin was concerned. “I know why the government’s arming up,” he deduced. “It’s not because there’s going to be an insurrection; it’s because our society is unraveling.”

The Social Security Administration’s purchase was by no means an anomaly. A year earlier, the unlikely pair of the Department of Agriculture (320,000 rounds) and the National Weather Service (46,000 rounds) had both put out tenders for ammunition. And slightly less odd, but still staggering, were the FBI’s professed intention to purchase up to 100 million “hollow point” rounds and the Department of Homeland Security’s concurrent request for 450 million rounds. The Department of Education got in on the weapons-supplying spree, too, purchasing “27 Remington Brand Model 870 police 12-gauge shotguns.”

The first question: “Why?” The second: “Should we be worried?”

The appeal of this story is obvious, and that some citizens keep track of such things shows an admirable vigilance. But while a healthy suspicion of government serves these United States better than critics presume, facts remain the stubborn things that they always have been, and skepticism is no virtue at all when it proves impervious to reason. Those who are vexed that the state is stocking up on ammunition — and troubled by fears that this might be a step toward D.C.’s assault on the citizens for whom it works — can relax for now. Whatever the federal government has become, it is not yet plotting violence against the people.

Nonetheless, one could reasonably ask why the Social Security Administration would need any ammunition at all. Are the elderly especially unruly these days? Jonathan L. Lasher, in the SSA’s external-relations department, explained to the Huffington Post that the ammunition is “for the 295 agents” in the outfit’s office of inspector general “who investigate Social Security fraud and other crimes.” Divide the rounds by the number of agents, and you get about 590 per agent; in a given year, that’s about ten rounds a week. “Most will be expended on the firing range,” Lasher continued.

Okay. And why does the USDA need 320,000 rounds? Because it runs the Forest Service, which covers “155 national forests” and “20 national grasslands” on a total of “193 million acres of land.” As well as agents in the field, the outfit has a law-enforcement unit based in Washington, D.C., whose responsibility it is to enforce federal laws and regulations. In context, those 320,000 rounds look a lot less threatening: If the U.S. Forest Service were to distribute ammunition at the same rate as the Social Security Administration, they would have enough for just 542 agents — not bad for an organization that covers an area the size of Pakistan (or twice the size of Japan or Germany).

It’s all about scale. Forty-six thousand rounds also sound like a lot for the National Weather Service. (Actually, the ammo was requested by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement, which is overseen by the same department.) In reality, it’s not that much. The service has only 63 armed personnel, which brings the purchase out at around 730 rounds per officer. This, suffice it to say, does not present a great threat to the Republic. As the NRA has noted, “more than a few NRA members would use that much ammunition in a weekend shooting class or plinking session.” There are enough risks to the right to bear arms and to American liberty in general, the NRA continued, without “inventing threats.”

The FBI and DHS’s apparently vast orders are deceptively presented by the conspiracy theorists. It is true that in 2011, the FBI ordered up to 100 million bullets for its 13,913 special agents (which works out to 7,187 per agent). And, yes, the Department of Homeland Security — a composite department that oversees USCIS, Customs and Border Protection, FEMA, ICE, the TSA, the Coast Guard, the Secret Service, and the National Protection Directorate — placed a request for up to 450 million rounds for its 65,000 armed personnel (which works out to 6,923 per agent).

But in the real world, ammunition is not divided up and handed out on such a basis. What is bought is stockpiled and then allocated on the basis of need. The DHS’s order is expected to last for at least five years, and it was placed up front primarily as a cost-saving measure. Moreover, as the chief of staff to Congressman Lynn Westmoreland (R., Georgia) revealed in a press release in May 2012 that was designed to calm the fears of his constituents:

DHS entered into a contract that allows them to purchase up to 450 million rounds of 40 caliber ammunition over the next five years. They cannot exceed 450 million rounds and are not required to purchase 450 million rounds. Basically, they have a tab with a manufacturer to order more rounds as they are needed over the next five years — not a one-time ammunition order.

Think of it like “that monthly trip to Sam’s Club or Costco,” he added.

The popular claim that one in five IRS agents is armed is false, too. Only 3 percent of IRS agents — 2,725 people, to be precise — are “special agents” who work on criminal cases. Also untrue, but a popular talking point: The legions of new IRS agents expected to be hired to enforce Obamacare will be armed. I am second to none in wishing that the IRS did not exist, and that, if it must, it did not have Obamacare to enforce. But that is no excuse for fearmongering, and Ron Paul’s infamous claim that the IRS was set to hire 16,500 “armed bureaucrats” in order to enforce the new health-care law, not backed up in fact, has launched a thousand deranged e-mail chains.

And the Department of Education? The Washington Post’s Valerie Strauss looked into the question of those shotguns in 2010 and received the following response from the Education Department’s Office of Inspector General:

The Office of Inspector General is the law enforcement arm of the U.S. Department of Education and is responsible for the detection of waste, fraud, abuse, and other criminal activity involving Federal education funds, programs, and operations. As such, OIG operates with full statutory law-enforcement authority, which includes conducting search warrants, making arrests, and carrying firearms. The acquisition of these firearms is necessary to replace older and mechanically malfunctioning firearms, and in compliance with Federal procurement requirements.

Fair enough. But here one starts to sympathize with the malcontents. There is a world of difference between the FBI, Department of Homeland Security, or Forest Service and the Department of Education, and that there is no grand clandestine plan for the subjugation of America should by no means be taken to imply that every government action is acceptable. Questions do still abound: Whether it is in possession of one bullet or 1 million bullets, should the federal Department of Education be armed in the first place? If so, why? Should its OIG be investigating external fraud rather than handing it over to the police or the DOJ or the FBI? For those federal departments that play no role in combating domestic and foreign threats — such as the DoE — what would constitute a threat requiring armed confrontation with malefactors?

In 2011, a story about a Department of Education raid went the rounds. Initial versions suggested that the department had commissioned a SWAT team to break into a California home and arrest the estranged husband of a woman who had defaulted on her student loan. Mercifully, this was incorrect. There was no SWAT team involved, nor was the target being investigated for unpaid loans. But the reality was not necessarily much better. Instead, the DoE announced that it had conducted the raid itself, in pursuit of an American citizen that it suspected of “bribery, fraud, and embezzlement of federal student aid funds.” It was a disaster; the suspect no longer lived in the house, a fact that special agents eventually discovered after they had smashed in the doors at dawn, thrown the occupant’s children into a police car, and kept the suspect’s (innocent) husband in handcuffs in a hot squad car for six hours.

As the local ABC affiliate reported, in an attempt to clear up the confusion, “police officers did not participate in breaking [the target’s] door, handcuffing him, or searching his home.” Instead, the Department of Education did. Judging by their ammunition purchases, the Social Security Administration and the IRS could have done so, too. That, and not fantasies about a plan to counter phantom civil unrest, is what should concern Americans.

— Charles C. W. Cooke is an editorial associate at National Review.



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; US: District of Columbia
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To: lurk

.357 Sig is NOT a revolver load.


121 posted on 03/06/2013 4:21:26 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: SgtHooper
I disagree. It’s the government, it’s use it or lose it by the end of each fiscal year. I bet they spend it each year.

Unless they have changed the process:

a. Federal Government funding requirements are based on a 5 year sliding projection, i.e., updated every year so that there is a continuing 5-year funding requirement ongoing for each Federal entity that needs funding.

b. Funds types requested are designated as single-year funds or multi-year funds, depending upon the type of contractual approach that is to be used to acquire the items and/or services needed. Some contracts will require the use of both single-year and multi-year funds over the life of the contract. And contract options may result in further single- and/or multi-year funds as the contract continues and the five-year sliding budget process continue.

c. Expenditure of funds must be accomplished within the time prescribed by the type of funds identified for the specific contract, i.e., single year funds must be expended within a specified single year of the contract, etc. If not expended as designated by funds type, they are considered "lost" to the Federal agency that requested them for use.

d. However, a very useful thing to know if you are a Headquarters funds manager and/or an individual who needs the funds but legitimate problems kept you from contractually expending them is:

1. Funds are fungible, and Congress can approve waivers to the "use it or lose it" rules. That's why a good Logistics Manager stays tightly connected with the Funds Manager, and knows all the lead times required to submit requests for such waivers.

2. It is also possible for the "soon to be lost" funds from one Federal project to be given to another project. This opportunity will usually occur very close to the end of the fiscal year, and requires that a Logistics Manager and his/her associated Funds Manager be aware of funds that are going to be lost, and have all the the justifications, contractual documents, etc. prepared and ready to submit in time to acquire the funds and actually get them on contract, resulting in them being considered "spent" by the end of the fiscal year, and thus not lost (except of course to the original requesting agency).

3. Any "lost" funds are not really lost, they just get moved into designated prior year "pots" of money by the Federal bean-counters. If I remember correctly, it was possible to (with sufficient justification and the right friends in high places) acquire prior year funds as old as 7 years.

What I have described is just the tip of the complexity of the Federal Fiscal Year/Budgetary process. A process that makes it almost impossible for anyone outside the game (and for most all inside the game) to effectively understand and track the vast quantities of tax-payer funds which flow into, and are consumed by, the Federal Government.

Didn't mean to beat you over the head with info, just wanted to point out that it's a complex operation going on and it's been going on for a very long time.

122 posted on 03/06/2013 5:15:43 PM PST by Col Freeper (FR: A smorgasbord of Conservative Mindfood - dig in and enjoy it!)
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To: neverdem
The story is that the government is buying vast quantities of bullets -- quantities in excess of what one would expect for the agencies in question.

Is it true or isn't it. If it's true, it's not a myth. If it's false then it is a myth.

The next step, attributing motives and plans, is always tricky. I really doubt there's some "plan" thought out to turn the guns on the American people. But that's really beside the point.

You aren't going to find some timetable for a government take-over, but people are right to worry about the stockpiling of bullets and the mindset that it implies.

Sometimes the conspiracy people do manage to get something right, almost in spite of themselves. If this is one of those times, do the decent thing and give them credit for bringing the story to light.

123 posted on 03/06/2013 5:24:15 PM PST by x
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To: neverdem

I guess being a G-man is like being a major league baseball player.

A major leaguer - he only uses brand new, brillant white baseballs out of a freshly open box for practice.

A G-man - no wadcutters for him to pratice with at the range - only brand new, really expensive hollow point bullets that tend to make a huge mess down range when the fly apart like little tiny razor blades.

No sir, no ammo specifically made for target practice for him. Only hollow points.

This idget who wrote the article doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

If the DHS was stocking up on wadcutters, I’d say their wasteful, but I’d say those boys like to get their range time in. I wouldn’t use wadcutters, however, to kill Americans. I’d use hollow points.


124 posted on 03/06/2013 7:27:41 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: brent13a

Like I said... you guessed. You have no idea how many armed agents DHS has, therefore there is no known denominator for the 1,600,000,000 bullets DHS thinks they might need over the next few years.

Additionally, you have no idea how many bullets they had stockpiled prior to this order.

You don’t have data. You have faith in the men who hold the power in this country. I cannot conceive of anything more illogical.


125 posted on 03/06/2013 9:31:33 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Eaker

It’s gotten to the point where the word “conspiracy” has no meaning anymore. Which is fantastic news if you’re a conspirator.

The devil’s greatest trick was convincing the world he doesn’t exist.


126 posted on 03/06/2013 10:42:08 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Eaker
So there will be two camps. People like me in the conspiracy theorist camp and people like you in the other.

{:0)

We are being painted into a corner...

127 posted on 03/06/2013 10:50:38 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Col Freeper

I appreciate your extra work on the data. I worked for a major govy contractor for years, but that ended 20 years ago, so things may have changed, a little. At that time it was what I said. And those who did not use up their self-generated budget, were penalized by getting less the following year. Thanks again.


128 posted on 03/07/2013 7:20:02 AM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: ctdonath2
Until you get to the 2,700 armored personnel carriers.

And the portable bullet resistant checkpoints designed to interdict road traffic.

This is disinformation from a media organization that started to go rogue and has always demonstrated a perverted bias against the 2nd Amendment and gun owners in general since the days of William Buckley -- himself an ANTIGUN RINO.

129 posted on 03/07/2013 9:49:28 AM PST by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
DHS has a total of 240,000 employees. If you have a source for how many of those 240,000 are armed agents, I'd love to see it.

Try the US Department of Justice official website. They made a count of armed federal agents in civilian Agencies and that count is openly published on their website. This includes FBI, Secret Service, US Marshals, Forestry Service, Department of Education (?!), the Social Security Administration (??!!!) and about 25 more Agencies.

The base total is a larger number than you might think. Of course the data was from 2008. Extrapolate to 2013, accounting for expanded employee population in all Agencies, and you get a current estimate from 200,000 to 220,000 armed federal agents.

130 posted on 03/07/2013 10:45:44 AM PST by flamberge (What next?)
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To: flamberge

If you found something that suggests that as many as 220,000 of DHS’ 240,000 employees are armed agents, post the link.


131 posted on 03/07/2013 10:53:57 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
...post the link.

Your point is well taken. See this:

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/nosearch/feds_arrests_guns.pdf

This is a reasonable baseline for estimating the current number of armed Federal Agents.

This survey was done in 2008 and has not been updated since although Agency population has increased.

The count includes all known armed agents in 73 civilian Federal Agencies - not just "Department of Homeland Security". It excludes Department of Defense.

DHS is supposed to oversee the other Agencies and coordinate their activities.

132 posted on 03/07/2013 11:34:57 AM PST by flamberge (What next?)
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To: neverdem

The National Review can always be counted on for some inane, naive and totally feckless analysis of every concern.


133 posted on 03/07/2013 11:54:12 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: FewsOrange

>> “The author is trying to use rational arguments against a conspiracy theory.” <<

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I saw nothing rational in the article; it was all misdirection, assumption, and outright falsehood. (typical National Review puke)

Conspiracies are rarely theory; its the only way that government knows how to do business.


134 posted on 03/07/2013 12:01:23 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: 1rudeboy

Go back to your nap; we’ll wake you when your cue is coming up.


135 posted on 03/07/2013 12:02:52 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: brent13a

What happened?

I really wanted a response to my post# 120 as you seemed to think yourself an expert.


136 posted on 03/07/2013 12:02:59 PM PST by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. — Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: editor-surveyor

You wake me? I can’t hear high-pitched voices with lisps.


137 posted on 03/07/2013 12:03:52 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: volunbeer

Has Mensa contacted you yet?


138 posted on 03/07/2013 12:13:55 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: SJSAMPLE

>> “It was supposed to provide .357 magnum performance in an auto-loading pistol” <<

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But it doesn’t.

The gun lacks the mass of the revolver, so is less accurate, especially when firing multiple shots.


139 posted on 03/07/2013 12:20:30 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: 1rudeboy

>> “ I can’t hear high-pitched voices with lisps.” <<

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Good! - Then you won’t wake yourself up when you talk in your sleep.


140 posted on 03/07/2013 12:22:05 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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