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The Great Ammunition Myth - The government is not planning a violent putdown of civil unrest.
National Review Online ^ | March 5, 2013 | Charles C. W. Cooke

Posted on 03/05/2013 4:31:55 PM PST by neverdem

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To: neverdem

Another post to give the FR church ladies and their mice an excuse to start a gloom and doom parade and shiver their timbers.


81 posted on 03/05/2013 6:44:05 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: FewsOrange; neverdem; onyx

Re Governor Sarah Palin and “conspiracy theories” -

Stellar record governing, sticking her neck out confronting Obama, 2 books ˜fact-checked” to the hilt, 26,000 emails forced open, and an independently made movie - all show that Gov. Sarah Palin is a hard working, capable, incorruptible, servant of the people.

Gov. Palin has the truth on her side. The more that comes to light, the better for her. The exact opposite of the vast majority of politicians.

I hope she/we are not right about why the government is stockpiling weaponry and ammunition - but I’m afraid she/we are. God help us.


82 posted on 03/05/2013 6:44:32 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Was not my intention to appear anti-Semitic.

I used the phrase to depict what the RINO Ruling Class are in my opinion. Meaning specifically, one’s own people/party/countrymen joining forces with an enemy in order to assist them with destroying their political targets due hoped-for gains.

In some cases, political survival or to have a seat at the table to divide the spoils.

That is why I used the term. I thought it politically attributable to the Ruling Class oligarchy in the GOP to illustrate their capitulation to the Obama regime.

No offense intended.


83 posted on 03/05/2013 6:48:14 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: skeeter; Strategerist
People should just assume that uncle sam knows what he's doing and get on with their lives.

That's what Strategerist/John HK does.

That's all he's ever done.

If you want to know exactly what the state wants you to believe, just read his posts.

84 posted on 03/05/2013 6:52:20 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: neverdem

Well, consider this: Americans have enough ammo to shoot every federal employee 45,879 tines.


85 posted on 03/05/2013 6:53:10 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: FewsOrange

You forgot about Cher.


86 posted on 03/05/2013 6:54:23 PM PST by deputytess (Men of the West .....stand and FIGHT!)
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To: sergeantdave
Damned sure hope we're better shots than that !


87 posted on 03/05/2013 6:56:15 PM PST by tomkat
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To: FewsOrange
The author is trying to use rational arguments against a conspiracy theory.

I am not sure that "conspiracy" is the correct term to be used here. For argument's sake, suppose the feds do have options planned in the event of civil disorder, which they actually do. Having those plans is not a conspiracy. How can it be a conspiracy? It's not even a secret. However, that there is no conspiracy certainly doesn't mean that the intentions toward us are not malevolent. Again, it's no secret, DHS has made it fairly obvious that it considers patriotic Constitutionalists to be a (the) threat to domestic peace.

That, and not fantasies about a plan to counter phantom civil unrest, is what should concern Americans.

I suggest that statement is correct and not correct at the same time. Sure the feds have plans for dealing with civil unrest, they have plans for all sorts of scenarios, including visits by aliens. The wonks hypothesize about anything that is within the realm of possibility and then plan on how it would be dealt with. However, there are a number of reasons to think that civil unrest in the US is a more real possibility than just "phantom civil unrest". There are a lot of variables in play that could easily fall into place and spark a load of "civil unrest".

But...the other things to which he refers are here and now real and they are very threatening to Americans.

Again, I don't think there is a "conspiracy" in the government to get us. IMO conspiracy implies that they are trying to hide their goals. They aren't. The feds have made it damn clear who they consider a threat in this country. The expansion of the use of surveillance drones on civilians on home soils is not a fantasy. The level of surveillance of all types is a pretty good indication of their attitude towards us. The obvious desire to disarm [law abiding] citizens real and not clandestine. They have also made it clear they consider the 2nd amendment to be an obstacle to federal power and the 4th amendment as another impediment. They are coming after the Bill of Rights, and that means in a very real sense they are coming after us. That is their intent.

Being cognizant of the nasty slippery slope presented by the federales words and actions is not paranoia. It is more of an understanding of the nature of statists.

88 posted on 03/05/2013 7:10:10 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: neverdem

Impeachment File for Benghazi-Coward B. Hussein Obama.


89 posted on 03/05/2013 7:17:44 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Commune Obama"care" violates Anti-Trust Laws, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: skeeter
Its good to ridicule the skeptical for being suspicious of government's motives.

I ridicule the stupid, the incompentent, and the liars.

And I'M the skeptic. I lifted a finger to research the false assertions about the 2,700 MRAPs, while everyone else just eagerly lapped up Drudge and the original nutter report.

90 posted on 03/05/2013 7:24:10 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: ctdonath2

“Update: An earlier version of this post included a figure of over 2,700 vehicles, as cited from the original RT link. This figure likely comes from a press release from Navistar Defense, mentioning delivery of 2,717 to the U.S. Marine Corps. A DHS Spokesman confirmed with Business Insider that they have only 16 nationwide.”

http://www.businessinsider.com/homeland-security-serving-warrants-mrap-2013-3


91 posted on 03/05/2013 7:25:43 PM PST by rumandmonkey
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To: Strategerist

While you’re working your fingers to the bone doing all that research, why don’t you post the year-over-year ammo sales for the last decade and put this thing to bed once and for all.

You have good sources. You should be able to knock that one right out of Camden Yards.


92 posted on 03/05/2013 7:39:11 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: ConjunctionJunction
Do they really use hollow point rounds for target practice? Somehow I doubt it.

I practice with what I intend to use. Two reasons; 1) to ensure it works properly in my firearm (when the bad guys come knocking is too late), and 2) to learn how different the self-defense stuff is from the plinkin' stuff.

93 posted on 03/05/2013 7:47:43 PM PST by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: ctdonath2

“Until you get to the 2,700 armored personnel carriers.”
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Oh, be reasonable please, they need SOMETHING to protect them from double amputees with mental problems who go around in wheelchairs forcing law officers into corners and threatening them with ballpoint pens.


94 posted on 03/05/2013 7:50:11 PM PST by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: brent13a
Because, when you divvy up the yearly amount of allotted ammo per agent 500-1000 rounds is much much more than any TEA partier or lifelong hunter will have stockpiled.

Ha. I'm a piker compared to most, and even I have the jack-boots beat by a couple of rounds or so... ;-)

95 posted on 03/05/2013 7:52:21 PM PST by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks neverdem. Completely unrelated story:

FBI Performs 2 Million Background Checks Four Months in a Row
Guns.Com | Mar. 5, 2013 | Daniel Terrill
Posted on 03/05/2013 5:02:06 PM PST by EXCH54FE
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2993846/posts


96 posted on 03/05/2013 7:58:52 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: brent13a
That's why my counter-arguments have included that it would 500-1,000 rounds allotted per agent, per year.

DHS has a total of 240,000 employees. If you have a source for how many of those 240,000 are armed agents, I'd love to see it.

Otherwise, what you offer isn't logical deduction. It's a guess.

97 posted on 03/05/2013 8:22:09 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Strategerist
Well, you could educate the 'incompetent' and 'stupid' by directing them to your sources.

Or you could sit back and continue to throw dung.

98 posted on 03/05/2013 8:22:24 PM PST by skeeter
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To: neverdem

Why can the military standardize on 9mm but the agencies get deliveries of:

.357Sig
.380
.38
.40S&W
9mm

Did I leave anything out?


99 posted on 03/05/2013 8:33:15 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Obama's vision - No Job is a Good Job)
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To: Strategerist

I disagree. It’s the government, it’s use it or lose it by the end of each fiscal year. I bet they spend it each year.


100 posted on 03/05/2013 8:49:43 PM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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