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Portmanís Reversal on Gay Marriage Sparks Harsh Words from Conservatives
Newsmax ^ | Friday, 15 Mar 2013 10:05 PM | Todd Beamon

Posted on 03/16/2013 11:23:49 AM PDT by Olog-hai

Sen. Rob Portman on Friday became the first Republican in the Senate to support gay marriage—and his switch set off harsh words from many conservatives. …

Some conservatives charged that Portman’s reversal was timed with gay-marriage advocates to coincide with the Supreme Court hearings. “There is a concerted effort to pick off Republicans and make us appear divided,” Brian Brown of the National Organization for Marriage told NPR at CPAC. The group is trying to stop efforts to legalize gay marriage. …

Meanwhile, former Sen. Rick Santorum told Newsmax that the GOP must remain firm on its support of traditional marriage. … And Kyle Kondik, a political analyst and former Ohio resident who now works at the University of Virginia’s Center for Politics in Charlottesville, predicted that Portman’s revelation may not be the last for Republicans. …

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: cpac; homosexualagenda; portman; rino

1 posted on 03/16/2013 11:23:49 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

He’s got a faggot for son.. Guess the upbringing wasn’t what it should have been.

At the very least he should have disowned him.

And yes that’s exactly how I feel on the issue.


2 posted on 03/16/2013 11:28:56 AM PDT by maddog55 (America Rising.... Civil War II)
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To: Olog-hai
Portman's timing suggests he's ready to do a triple header ~ announce that he's just like former Senator Larry Craig, that he's switching parties, and he's going to marry his secret lover next month after a quicky Nevada divorce facilitated by Harry Reid.
3 posted on 03/16/2013 11:29:27 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Olog-hai

Anybody who changes their position when it is a relative:

1) Has not been thinking.
2) Does not belong in a policy position where he/she can favor said relative on that or some other issue.

Resign or Pull chain. Flush.


4 posted on 03/16/2013 11:30:26 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: Olog-hai

BTW

I too have a relative.
We’ve debated.
Relative has no answer for arguments except relative wants it.


5 posted on 03/16/2013 11:35:37 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: Olog-hai

IMO, he can accept his son, but still keep his original stand on gay marriage. Either you stand by your principles or you show how easily you can be swayed— exposing your inner weaknesses. If his son said he embraces Socialism, would he push for Socialism in this country?


6 posted on 03/16/2013 11:37:30 AM PDT by Exit148
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To: maddog55
At the very least he should have disowned him.

That's pretty brutal. You know, one can oppose gay marriage and the leftist homosexual agenda without disowning family members for being gay.

7 posted on 03/16/2013 11:39:44 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Exit148

A lot of wisdom in your post.


8 posted on 03/16/2013 11:41:06 AM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: Olog-hai

Gay marriage gay marriage....ugh, here comes the nausea. time for an escape....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJkxFhFRFDA


9 posted on 03/16/2013 11:42:14 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

I too have a relative. My oldest daughter married her partner in DC last March.
Upbringing? She was raised in the Baptist Church and was baptized at her request at 14.
I pray for her to have a change of heart daily, and because I pray for her to return to the Lord, I have not disowned her. I want her to know she can come home and be forgiven.
She also knows we do not condone her choice and she is taking a real risk with eternal salvation.
I believe Portman betrayed the people of Ohio by not being honest with us before the election, since everything I have read indicates he has known about his son for two years.


10 posted on 03/16/2013 11:44:06 AM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: Olog-hai

Once a RINO, always a RINO.


11 posted on 03/16/2013 11:44:45 AM PDT by ProudFossil (" I never did give anyone hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell." Harry Truman)
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To: Longbow1969

Amen.


12 posted on 03/16/2013 11:45:51 AM PDT by CountryClassSF
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To: Longbow1969

I disowned my brother for his liberal views. Haven’t spoken in several years.

As for the whole homosexual shxt you’re either against it or you’re not.. there’s no in between. It’s a self chosen perverted lifestyle and family be damned.


13 posted on 03/16/2013 11:48:32 AM PDT by maddog55 (America Rising.... Civil War II)
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To: maddog55

Apparently, he’s been a pussy RINO from the gitgo. Musta rubbed off on his son.


14 posted on 03/16/2013 11:50:34 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: maddog55
I disowned my brother for his liberal views. Haven’t spoken in several years.

I'm sorry, but that's insane. You disown your own brother because you disagree with him on politics? Good grief, he's your brother. Just don't talk about politics with him. One day you may be the positive influence that changes his mind.

As for the whole homosexual shxt you’re either against it or you’re not.. there’s no in between. It’s a self chosen perverted lifestyle and family be damned.

Again, you can oppose the sin and the agenda that typically comes with it without disowning family members that are gay.

15 posted on 03/16/2013 12:03:10 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Olog-hai

Portman wanted to be Vice President so bad that he is emulating Dick Cheney.


16 posted on 03/16/2013 12:15:33 PM PDT by OKRA2012
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To: Olog-hai

We don’t appear to be divided...we are divided. There are the Libertarian Pubbies and the east coast elites who would like to dispense with the whole social issues thing. Strictly defense and economic issues is all they care about...oh, and smoking dope for the Libertarians. But to raise the abortion or homosexual marriage issue with these people is tough sledding.


17 posted on 03/16/2013 12:27:49 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: driftless2
Looks like nobody is divided, but the conservative camp is definitely infiltrated.
18 posted on 03/16/2013 12:33:29 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

If I remember my history, there was a time when there were no marriage licenses required. A man and woman merely had to announce that they were going to live together as man and wife, or they could find a preacher who said the vows with them, then entered it in the Family Bible.

Sometime in the late 1700s or early 1800s, some politician found he could raise revenue by requiring a license to get married, so it started.

Now, homos can still cohabit together if they want to, but they still have no reason to need a “license” to ******** each other.

Then in the mid 1960s, the Hippies began to claim a marriage license was not needed if you loved each other. Marriage was dead, old fashioned, not necessary, after all it was ONLY a piece of paper.

Now marriage is the most important thing two people can engage in.....BUT ONLY IF YOU ARE GAY!


19 posted on 03/16/2013 12:36:33 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: Gaffer
Robbo's wife was originally a Democrat. When they married, he became a Methodist, and she became a Republican. Or so they'd like you to think.

But just assume anybody -- everybody -- who can get elected in a competitive race is somebody you'd call a RINO and have done with it.

Nobody who can get elected in a statewide race in a swing-state, let alone in a Democrat state, is going to please you, and that's it.

20 posted on 03/16/2013 12:43:02 PM PDT by x
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To: Longbow1969
I no longer invite liberal friends and relatives to my house nor do I accept and invitation to theirs....They were given every opportunity to leave their politics at home but chose to keep shooting their idiots mouths off....while I haven't formally told them to but out I believe the message is beginning to dawn on them. Your advice on not talking politics with them can only works if they cooperate which they will not. It's been a couple of years now and I don't miss them ...truth is their absence has made my life richer!!
21 posted on 03/16/2013 12:56:06 PM PDT by ontap
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To: Olog-hai

This is not a reversal. This is Portman coming out of the closet.


22 posted on 03/16/2013 1:01:38 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Olog-hai

Margaret Thatcher would have said to him “Don’t go wobbly” but he did


23 posted on 03/16/2013 1:14:09 PM PDT by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: muawiyah

24 posted on 03/16/2013 1:17:47 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: SaraJohnson
This is not a reversal. This is Portman coming out of the closet.

I agree. He's the GOP's version of Jim McGreevey.
The "wife and family" thing is just a political prop.

25 posted on 03/16/2013 1:20:40 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Olog-hai

I wish he had not brought up his faith and how he thought so hard about it. Then he attached himself to the Gospels about “Loving One Another” to justify his change of heart.

Jesus also said that belief in Him would cause families to go against one another. That is because belief in Jesus requires that a person follow him and not succumb to the world’s standards. The fate of one’s eternal soul demands it.

We should pray for Portman and his son. They apparently are under the impression that they are Christians and that what they are doing is a good thing as it is “charitable to allow people to be happy”. Well, is it charitable for a father to neglect telling his son about the need for the soul’s salvation?


26 posted on 03/16/2013 1:21:02 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: Gumdrop

it is the meme of the left “christian” means “accept others walking all over you”

to the left mentioning christion is the their version of a cheat code.


27 posted on 03/16/2013 1:23:01 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Gumdrop

An extension of this is the parable of the prodigal son. The father didn’t go out looking for the son when the kid was wasting his inheritance on debauchery; it was when the son was beaten down and chastened by his poverty that resulted from his hard living, and was humble enough to go back to his father to even say that he would be happy just as a hired employee, that the father took him back. The father’s perspective was that before, his son was dead, and after the son repented, he was alive again.

Portman is coddling his son while in the dead state, and encouraging it.


28 posted on 03/16/2013 1:27:18 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: maddog55
Homosexuality isn't always to be attributed to a bad upbringing or poor fathering. It's rash to make such an accusation upon little or no evidence.

Portman is clearly in the wrong, but what we are given in the Gospel is a call to personal conversion, not an invitation to personal trashing.

29 posted on 03/16/2013 1:27:52 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
Hitting it on the head~

Back in the good old days government ministers helped their relatives first. That's not the way it's supposed to be done these days

30 posted on 03/16/2013 1:47:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: OKRA2012

you mean turning your own kid into a homosexual to protect yourself from leftwingtard socio-politcal criticism? (/s)


31 posted on 03/16/2013 1:56:44 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ontap
They were given every opportunity to leave their politics at home but chose to keep shooting their idiots mouths off

That's something different. What you are describing is people making it a point to attack your views and beliefs.

32 posted on 03/16/2013 1:59:50 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: maddog55
At the very least he should have disowned him.

A very un-Christian attitude. Didn't Jesus himself teach us to hate the sin, but love the sinner? Can't do that by removing them from our lives, can we? How about we just love our kids who don't necessarily live as we would prefer. We don't have to reward their behavior, just simply let them know that we don't agree with it, but we love them anyway.

Who knows, someday, they may decide that THEY don't like their behavior, and if they know that their parents still love them, regardless, they may return, repentant. Isn't that what the parable of the Prodigal Son was all about?

I think Portman thinks that if he doesn't support his son's lifestyle, his son may think he doesn't love him. Too bad he didn't make the distinction of loving the sinner, but hating the sin.

33 posted on 03/16/2013 2:05:46 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

If I am not mistaken, the marriage license began as a mechanism to keep whites from marrying outside of their race.


34 posted on 03/16/2013 2:06:43 PM PDT by eaglescout1998
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To: maddog55

We are all sinners.


35 posted on 03/16/2013 2:21:51 PM PDT by LifeComesFirst (http://rw-rebirth.blogspot.com/)
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To: Lancey Howard

Okay, that made me smile.


36 posted on 03/16/2013 2:24:11 PM PDT by LifeComesFirst (http://rw-rebirth.blogspot.com/)
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To: maddog55

I’m sorry you’re so full of hate.

TC


37 posted on 03/16/2013 2:33:23 PM PDT by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: Gaffer

Glad to see somebody else gets it.


38 posted on 03/16/2013 4:18:51 PM PDT by maddog55 (America Rising.... Civil War II)
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To: ontap

If you can’t change the people around you, change the people around you.


39 posted on 03/16/2013 5:48:17 PM PDT by griswold3
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To: eaglescout1998
you are mistaken ~ a marriage license is just an adjunct to a process called CIVIL REGISTRATION ~ the US was later in adopting it than most countries ~ the French Revolution really pushed the idea in Europe and Scandinavia.

Much of the world has yet to adopt it.

Previously churches served as the places to register births, deaths, marriages, etc.

40 posted on 03/16/2013 7:52:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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