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Rand Paul's immigration speech
03.19.13 | Hon Sen Rand Paul (KY)

Posted on 03/19/2013 7:04:07 AM PDT by Perdogg

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To: Girlene
We are being colonized by the Third World.


51 posted on 03/19/2013 8:28:34 AM PDT by kabar
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To: The Sons of Liberty

You can tell that these guys never get out of DC. What they keep talking about in their speeches is wishful thinking.
The illegals in our neck of the woods.....all undereducated and make very little money. Their American born kids all qualify for cash, food stamps, Medical, WIC, and freen breakfast/lunch programs. Because they have American born children the whole family qualifies for Section 8.
These stupid politicians need to get out of DC and into the real world once in awhile.


52 posted on 03/19/2013 8:31:26 AM PDT by sheana
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To: tanknetter
Hispanics have a 50% out of wedlock birth rate and they have the highest school dropout rate of any group. This is the social pathology for failure in this society and assigning them to the permanent underclass that will be the most dependent on big government. They are a natural Dem constituency.


53 posted on 03/19/2013 8:33:45 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Well, since the Primary, I have seen Libertarians flowing out of the cracks here like a flooding trailer house getting fumigated... trying to convince us Conservatives that they are more Conservative than we are, and we need to ‘go with the flow’. I say to the Libertarians, go to a Libertarian site and promote your socialist crap.


54 posted on 03/19/2013 8:35:17 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: kabar
RE :” I have heard similar comparisons with mass deportation and the Holocaust. “

Well if your fantasy is mass deportation, which even the border hawk Romney wouldnt defend, then you deserve it.

But if they are bringing up mass deportation which no one elected suggests as a straw man for amnesty, that is different and changing the subject.

As I said, kids trafficed to here and raised here with the support of the government as the courts now entitle them to (the kids) public school and then they get that degree, are seen as victims and they will aways be seen as such. Romney learned that the hard way.

Calling those ones trafficed here as kids and raised here criminals is just seen as demanding they where a sign labeled ‘illegal’ on their clothes as a gold star.
Heck, dont the Muslims sentence raped wimmin to beatings for fornication? I bet that lowers the rapes, or reported ones anyway.

Romney used immigration to destroy Perry then they came out to vote to make sure he lost. If Romney won on that stand then it could be a different game.

55 posted on 03/19/2013 8:47:49 AM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: Perdogg

They don’t call it “the Reconquista” for nuthin’ !!


56 posted on 03/19/2013 8:57:36 AM PDT by Road Glide
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To: Perdogg

What bull $h#t! Typical pubbie turncoat....anything for a vote.


57 posted on 03/19/2013 9:02:00 AM PDT by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: sickoflibs
Well if your fantasy is mass deportation, which even the border hawk Romney wouldnt defend, then you deserve it. But if they are bringing up mass deportation which no one elected suggests as a straw man for amnesty, that is different and changing the subject.

The proponents of amnesty are wont to create the false choice between a blanket amnesty and mass deportation of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. In reality, we have other choices and alternatives that don’t reward people who have broken our laws with the right to stay and work here and an eventual path to citizenship. The 12 to 20 million illegal aliens did not enter this country overnight and they will not leave overnight. Attrition through enforcement works. We have empirical data from Georgia, Oklahoma, Alabama, and Arizona proving that it does. Romney was right on self-deportation--he just used some in-artful terms.

As I said, kids trafficed to here and raised here with the support of the government as the courts now entitle them to (the kids) public school and then they get that degree, are seen as victims and they will aways be seen as such. Romney learned that the hard way.

Those who buy the leftist framing of the issue, yes. The reality is that they are the lucky ones who had the privilege of having access to our schools and medical facilities. Plyler versus Doe should be revisited. If you read the decision, you will find it was based on costs to the school district, i.e., they were minimal. Things have changed with one out of ten is country being the child of an illegal alien, either brought here or born here. The costs are enormous. Here in Fairfax County, VA, we pay $104 million a year just in ESOL costs for 31,000 foreign language students out of 181,000 students in the system. The number of ESOL students grew by a third in just the past year.

Calling those ones trafficed here as kids and raised here criminals is just seen as demanding they where a sign labeled ‘illegal’ on their clothes as a gold star. Heck, dont the Muslims sentence raped wimmin to beatings for fornication? I bet that lowers the rapes, or reported ones anyway.

The legal term is unauthorized alien. The Left likes to use such terms as undocumented worker rather than illegal alien because that is "demeaning." This PC crap has to stop. When you commit a crime there are consequences. Are we supposed to call them undocumented students? Guest students? Comparing them to Holocaust victims wearing gold stars is beyond the pale.

In Muslim countries, if that is your standard, they usually kill the women thru honor killings. In fact there have been honor killings by Muslims in the US and Germany.

Romney used immigration to destroy Perry then they came out to vote to make sure he lost. If Romney won on that stand then it could be a different game.

Perry deserved to be destroyed over his stand. Romney should have been even tougher on the immigration issue. Unfortunately he toned it down due to pressure from Murdoch. Immigration can be a winning issue for Reps who know how to use it. For example, Romney should have pointed out the insanity of bringing in 1.2 million legal immigrants a year while 23 million Americans were looking for full time employment. Or pointing out the disproportionate and high use of welfare by immigrants? Or the wisdom of adding 130 million to our population over the next 40 years, 80% due to immigration and its impact on infrastructure, the environment, etc.

58 posted on 03/19/2013 9:09:46 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Perdogg
Karl Rove (Bless his crooked soul) said that Latinos are to be "The Republicans of the future."

Well, he's about 30% right. After 50 years or so, we can hope for about 30% of the Latino vote. That's because Latinos are a multi-cultural, multi-racial group....Of which fact very few Americans ... a rapidly dumbing group ... are aware.

Like everything else in Democrat World, it's a question of cultural melanin. Those more European hispanics, whether from México or anywhere else in Mundo Hispano, will of course rapidly integrate into American society. Those who spring from largely indigenous cultures are evidently being completely co-opted into the illegitimate children, food stamp, gangs, drugs, section 8 culture of the African-Americans, unless they kill each other first. See LA.

Our beloved government has candidly recognized this their Affirmative Action Official Melanin-Based Mythology. A white Chilean, Argentine, or Díos forbid, a Spaniard from Spain ... are not even officially "Hispanics." ¡No goodies para tí, amigo! Oddly enough, a white Puerto Rican or Cuban IS an Hispanic. Got that? Penelope Cruz ain't an Hispanic. Marco(s) Rubio is. Go figure.

Once the Democrats get'em on the gravy train, they are never jumping on the GOP trolley. BTW, it is stupid to pretend to offer them more gravy.

¿No es muy interesante vivir en el país mas norte de la América Latina? ¿Sería mas interesante sobrevivir, no?

59 posted on 03/19/2013 9:12:05 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Obama Molecule: Teflon binds with Melanin = No Criminal Charges Stick)
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To: kabar

Being Texan, I know where they’re getting the wrong notion that hispanics are cultural conservatives and natural allies. More on that in a sec, but as an aside, even if that were true, WHY would the GOPE be jettisoning social conservatism as fast as they can while trying to bring in hispanics?? Hmmmmm? Makes no sense.

Where they’re getting this is from an older, more traditional-minded hispanic culture. Many of these hispanics are long-time natives to Texas. I know hispanics who have no record of who among their ancestors first entered Texas. The oldest ancestor they’re aware of was born in Texas. And those who came from Mexico but many years back, or whose recent ancestor came from there, are more traditional in their values. I know these type of hispanics and they are very real, not imaginary.

But they are a distinct minority now within the new cultural norms among much younger and less culturally traditional hispanics.

Rand has stupidly (or with malice) brought into a notion that simply is not true TODAY.


60 posted on 03/19/2013 9:13:49 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear..."(Glenn Beck))
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To: kabar
RE :”The proponents of amnesty are wont to create the false choice between a blanket amnesty and mass deportation of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens.”

The only ‘mass deportation’ I see related to this is hispanics deporting GOP POTUS candidates for calling those who look just like their kids ‘criminals’ for symply being ‘illegal’.
Like they helped deport Romney for 'self deportation'.

As far as the Wise Latinos demanding citizenship for those here legally (once illegallY) but barred from pathway to voting, if the Wise Latinos on future courts want that they already got an excuse to do what you suggest:

Obama’s Dreamer program that lets them stay here. All the excuse they need.

61 posted on 03/19/2013 9:24:11 AM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I think you copied my list. :)

The only reason I’m still a nominal Republican is that the democrats are marginally more repellent.


62 posted on 03/19/2013 9:28:00 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: kabar; dfwgator; Bryan; Travis McGee
RE :” Things have changed with one out of ten is country being the child of an illegal alien, either brought here or born here. The costs are enormous. Here in Fairfax County, VA, we pay $104 million a year just in ESOL costs for 31,000 foreign language students out of 181,000 students in the system. “

Good point.

If taxpayers are forced to invest all that money educating children who are trafficked illegally to here to the US by adults (who are criminals), and those kids actually stay in the school and succeed then its a impossible case to label them ‘criminals’.

Any reform bill should make it a felony for adults to traffic children here illegally, there ya go. Why the hell didnt Reagan do that?

But you don't beat the rape victims for fornication as they do in Iran, That is political suicide.

63 posted on 03/19/2013 9:39:02 AM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: txrangerette

I agree. And we reinforce group identity thru such programs as affirmative action and minority business set asides. There are benefits to being classified as a minority by the USG. Forget the fact that by 2019 half of the children 18 and under will be minorities and by 2042 half of the country will be.


64 posted on 03/19/2013 9:42:54 AM PDT by kabar
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To: sickoflibs

A lot of FReepers and others have a fantasy in mind that would equate to justice, but there’s nobody to ever enforce that so it will never happen. But the fantasy takes on a life of its own...never mind there’s nobody in charge to make it happen.

A good example is a post advocating that “Obama be arrested and put in jail” right out of the WH.

Oh yeah? Who’s gonna do THAT??

Another is massive deportation. Who’s gonna do THAT??

You didn’t say whether you thought Perry should’ve been destroyed, just that Romney did that over the issue of illegal immigration but went on to lose.

I went through the “destroy Perry” wars. I have the scars to prove it. Let me once more put forward this truth: The Texas legislature passed the bill, overwhelmingly with overwhelmingly veto-proof margins, to provide in-state tuition rates to the children who were brought here by adults, if they met certain listed requirements. Perry thought that was reasonable since they HAD to be educated in our schools by federal law, anyways, through high school.

HOWEVER.

Perry’s actual position on illegal immigration is that the feds are refusing to secure the border and that the border must be secured, period, period, PERIOD, before he will entertain talk about what to do next.

YOu will note, this push for “reform” pays lip service to that, but is pushing all sorts of final solutions in the same breath as mentioning border security.

Rick Perry has the position that you don’t even talk about any of that now. You just focus on securing the border. Until it is secured. I submit to you that is NOVEL. And I submit he has so much to offer and has been sufficiently mischaracterized on illegal immigration, that he did not deserve to be destroyed.

So Mr RomneyCare was right to destroy Rick Perry over immigration? What about RomneyCare/Obamacare as a worthy issue to destroy somebody over???

This morning Gov. Perry was on with Beck. I missed most of it but heard Perry’s response about Texas having its own gold that it has so far not been allowed to see and inventory, just as others have not been allowed to. Beck said, but Governor, you (TX) might not have the final say as to whether you get access to inventory your state’s gold...what then?

Perry chuckled. He chuckled for some time, There was an ironic, hard-edge to his laugh. Finally he drawled, “Since it’s OUR gold, we won’t face a situation where others have the say over it”. Or something like that. I’ve paraphrased.

I love Rick Perry. I understand “TEXAN”.

Is he perfect? Nobody is. What are we having to face right now about Rand Paul. And I submit to you that Rand is so far to the left of Perry on illegal immigration, it isn’t even funny. In this ridiculous speech, Rand even talks about a “bipartisan” Congress running his immigration plan.

Bipartisan Congress???


65 posted on 03/19/2013 9:44:02 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear..."(Glenn Beck))
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To: kabar
RE :”Romney should have been even tougher on the immigration issue.”

Yep,

Romney SURE helped Dems get Hispanics to vote last year, to deport him, that is why the GOP is terrified now climbing all over themselves to give illegals, err Dreamers, the vote. Romney was the ‘tough on illegals’ guy’

Good old Romney, what a f,... loser.

66 posted on 03/19/2013 9:44:17 AM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: sickoflibs

I believe the GOP needs to make it plain they are PRO Legal immigration.

Too many times, the Democrats and their media lackeys portray the GOP as being against ALL immigration, legal or not, and they get away with it.


67 posted on 03/19/2013 9:45:57 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: txrangerette
RE :”A good example is a post advocating that “Obama be arrested and put in jail” right out of the WH.”

HA-HA,

We just need one judge to declare him ‘ineligible’ , just one.
Then he is gone. No fuss no muss. Problem solved. So easy.
Why didnt it work?

I file ‘massive deportation’ with ‘they (illegals) will vote GOP’ if we just legalize them.

68 posted on 03/19/2013 9:48:37 AM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: dfwgator
RE :”I believe the GOP needs to make it plain they are PRO Legal immigration.”

Yes, and why illegal immigration hurts legal immigrants.
Without that the GOP has no chance.

69 posted on 03/19/2013 9:49:59 AM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: sickoflibs
The only ‘mass deportation’ I see related to this is hispanics deporting GOP POTUS candidates for calling those who look just like their kids ‘criminals’ for symply being ‘illegal’. Like they helped deport Romney for 'self deportation'.

You argue like a lib, long on emotion, short on facts. The immigration issue is not why Hispanics vote Dem. It is in their economic interest to have Big Government. And the sad reality is that the US is not immune to the impact of multiculturalism and diversity.

We are descending into tribal politics. Non-Hispanic whites voted overall 59% for Romney and it spanned all age groups and gender with Romney getting a majority of these groups. Obama received 95% of the black vote, 73% of the Asian vote, and 71% of the Hispanic vote. Obama won because the percentage of non-Hispanic whites has declined to 66% of the vote compared to 89% in 1970. It is just a function of math.

And non-Hispanics whites will continue to decline as a percentage of our population due to our legal immigration policies and minority birth rates.

Obama’s Dreamer program that lets them stay here. All the excuse they need.

Obama's Dreamer Program should be an impeachable offense, but that aside, it was a calculated political move before the election. It was all about the children and not only children but those going to college or being allowed to enter the military. Why not offer such a program for all such children not just those attending college or entering the military? The Dems know how to tug at the heart strings of the uninformed and dumb voters.

70 posted on 03/19/2013 9:56:09 AM PDT by kabar
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To: sickoflibs
Any reform bill should make it a felony for adults to traffic children here illegally, there ya go

It is already illegal.

71 posted on 03/19/2013 9:57:51 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar; sickoflibs

kabar, I should’ve pinged you to my post #65. I use a premise in there that I was debunking, that came from your post, but forgot to put your name on mine to sickoflibs.

I will agree to disagree with you about Rick Perry.


72 posted on 03/19/2013 9:59:41 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear..."(Glenn Beck))
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To: sickoflibs
How much the Hispanic vote did Bush 41 get after the Reagan amnesty? What percentage of the Hispanic vote did McCain receive after sponsoring the McCain-Kennedy amnesty bill and receiving an award from La Raza? Reps will continue to lose two thirds of the Hispanic vote regardless.

The problem was the Romney was not tough enough on illegal immigration.

73 posted on 03/19/2013 10:01:41 AM PDT by kabar
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To: sickoflibs

No side seems to have cornered the market on these fantasy notions.


74 posted on 03/19/2013 10:02:19 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear..."(Glenn Beck))
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To: kabar
RE :”The immigration issue is not why Hispanics vote Dem. It is in their economic interest to have Big Government”

this is exactly what I posted a few times on this thread.
they vote Dem, they will continue to, I even posted a link here proving this, you are agreeing with me here.

However calling those Hispanics who were trafficked here illegally as children ‘criminals’ for being ‘illegal’, oh and they all happen to be Hispanics,...

Is a great way to make sure they go out and vote. And they did vote. They didnt vote in 2010 but that talk sure got them out in 2012

75 posted on 03/19/2013 10:03:50 AM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: dfwgator

Reps should support legal immigration but less of it. We don’t need 1.2 million legal immigrants a year, most of whom are poor and uneducated. 25% of adult legal immigrants lack even a high school degree. Do we really need hundreds of thousands of high school dropouts each year?


76 posted on 03/19/2013 10:04:15 AM PDT by kabar
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To: txrangerette

We will agree to disagree.


77 posted on 03/19/2013 10:04:59 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar; txrangerette
RE :”How much the Hispanic vote did Bush 41 get after the Reagan amnesty?”

Still beating up those straw men? Or just repeating my arguments because I beat you?

on illegals voting after amnesty#101

78 posted on 03/19/2013 10:07:20 AM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: HiJinx; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny

Ping


79 posted on 03/19/2013 10:12:03 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Obama Molecule: Teflon binds with Melanin = No Criminal Charges Stick)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Imagine the millions more family members that immediately become eligible to immigrate here after you reward those here illegally with citizenship.

Imagine that within 20 years that 43% of them are on welfare as the Numbers USA research suggests and the explosion in taxes to cover the expense.

Imagine that those votes you and the rest of the idiot republicans are chase don’t materialize and instead go to democrats.

Imagine that instead of pandering, you were as forceful in demanding that immigration laws be followed and you were demanding that US citizens be protected from drone attack.

Imagine that instead of rushing to create a permanent underclass of unskilled and uneducated thrid world immigrants you actually fought for job and educational opportunity for the citizens of your own country.

No Amnesty or No Vote!


80 posted on 03/19/2013 10:12:22 AM PDT by SCHROLL
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To: kabar; dfwgator; Bryan; Travis McGee
RE :”It is already illegal. “(to bring children here illegally)

Well if its already illegal to bring them then it seems like a condition of those victims getting some sort of legal status, beyond the Obama one they have now, is that they identify those who brought them here illegally, if it is a crime.

And those people get prosecuted for it.

Now some may not apply if that is the condition if say its relatives.

Besides Dems absolutely wont support a immigration bill that has no citizenship, they will kill it. Their base demands it. So why join them?

81 posted on 03/19/2013 10:18:08 AM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: sickoflibs
However calling those Hispanics who were trafficked here illegally as children ‘criminals’ for being ‘illegal’, oh and they all happen to be Hispanics,...

Illegals don't equal Hispanics. We have lawbreakers from all over the globe. There is a large number of illegal aliens from China and India.

You are using the term "trafficking" incorrectly. Illegal aliens bringing in their children are not guilty of trafficking which is against the law and is defined in that law.

Is a great way to make sure they go out and vote. And they did vote. They didnt vote in 2010 but that talk sure got them out in 2012

Hispanics comprised 10% of the vote in 2012 compared to 13% for blacks. The number of all voters was much greater in 2012, a Presidential year, than in 2010. The Hispanic vote was important in a few states, but it is not the reason why the Reps lost WI, MA, Iowa, Ohio, PA, etc.

82 posted on 03/19/2013 10:25:42 AM PDT by kabar
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To: txrangerette
RE :”No side seems to have cornered the market on these fantasy notions.”

My problem is I rarely agree with anyone else 100% of the time. And many here demand 100%

Back August 2011 I joined those here laughing at Perry as Romney took the tough guy approach (I didnt trust Romney at all), I must admit it. I judged Perry badly

But given Mr 47% got Hispanics out to vote in big numbers to deport him(with others too) , showing Romney as the clueless elitist loser he is, he was sooo sure he was winning, Rush was sure too,
I am much more understanding of Perry's positions now.
Perry was talking reality not the GOP POTUS primary fantasy world. He has to live in the real world.

83 posted on 03/19/2013 10:33:00 AM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: kabar; dfwgator; Bryan; Travis McGee
RE :”You are using the term “trafficking” incorrectly. Illegal aliens bringing in their children are not guilty of trafficking which is against the law and is defined in that law. “

That was what I am suggesting. The next reform bill needs to make it a crime.
Reagan's bill should have done that.
The failed Bush/MCcain bills should of done that.

Those who bring them over illegally are creating this situation. The kids are the victims. Their parents leave them belonging no-place. That should be a felony

Make it a felony to create this problem, instead of going after the victim kids.

84 posted on 03/19/2013 10:37:44 AM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: sickoflibs
Well if your fantasy is mass deportation, which even the border hawk Romney wouldnt defend, then you deserve it.
"Severely Conservative" Romney was no border hawk. He is a liberal mouthing words he barely understands, just like you.

But if they are bringing up mass deportation which no one elected suggests as a straw man for amnesty, that is different and changing the subject.
Bringing up history is never a stray man. The current coversation is liberal position A and hard left position B.

As I said, kids trafficed to here and raised here with the support of the government as the courts now entitle them to (the kids) public school and then they get that degree, are seen as victims and they will aways be seen as such. Romney learned that the hard way.
The proper thing is to speak to the America people past the corrupt corporations and to say "Children do not benefit from the crimes of their parents in America. I I break into your home and drop off my kid, he does not become your responsibility or a member of your family without you having a say so."

These kids aren't victims. They beneficiaries of a crime. They should not be punished in any way. They should simply be sent home.

85 posted on 03/19/2013 11:03:11 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: sickoflibs
In what planet are children getting a free education and a higher standard of living victims?
They are beneficiaries of a crime.
86 posted on 03/19/2013 11:06:47 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: rmlew; sickoflibs

Even Michelle Bachmann was opposed to deportations and had a plan similar to Rand’s yet no one here has called her out.


87 posted on 03/19/2013 11:06:52 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz is my adoptive Senator)
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To: Perdogg

Cite Bachmann’s plan that called for amnesty.


88 posted on 03/19/2013 11:07:45 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: rmlew
link

Q: You believe the fence is fundamental as an integral part of controlling the border. Let's say that in 2012, there's a fence, & the border is secure; what do you do then with 11 million illegals?

Bachmann: Understand the context and the problem that we're dealing with. In Mexico right now, we're dealing with narco terrorists. This is a very serious problem. To not build a border or a fence on every part of that border would be, in effect, to yield US sovereignty, to yield it to another nation. That we cannot do.

Q: What do you do with 11.5 million illegals?

Bachmann: It depends upon where they live, how long they have been here, if they have a criminal record. All of those things have to be taken into place.
89 posted on 03/19/2013 11:16:21 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz is my adoptive Senator)
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To: kabar; Perdogg; Colonel_Flagg; sickoflibs; Travis McGee
Any legislation that allows the lawbreakers to stay and work here, the object of their crime, is amnesty.

I agree with this.

What Rand Paul is proposing is a form of blanket amnesty. He preconditions it with a secure border, which is good. If he also preconditioned it with a federal law requiring photo ID to vote, and proof of citizenship to register, it would be even better.

But allowing millions of people to stay here and harvest the fruits of their lawbreaking is unacceptable. As a bare minimum, we need to be a lot more selective than Rand Paul: no burglars, no street gang members, no prostitutes, no drug addicts, no drug dealers, no welfare queens. No con men or credit card scammers.

They qualify for a path to citizenship only if they've been working or going to college more than they've been collecting government benefits, they've been here at least ten years (perhaps this could be reduced to five years for entrepreneurs, people with high tech job skills, and immediate family members of citizens), and they've never even been arrested for anything other than immigration violations. If the local anti-gang or anti-drug task force identifies them as gang members or drug dealers, they get deported even if they've never been arrested.

The path to citizenship should require that they learn English, continue to stay out of trouble, continue working or going to college, and generally continue being an asset to the community (rather than a liability) for five more years.

And this program should have the two preconditions I mentioned at the top: (A) a secure border, and (B) a federal law requiring photo ID to vote, and proof of citizenship to register. (Don't worry, Reverend Sharpton. If they can't afford the $5.00 fee for a photo ID, all they have to do is bring in proof that they're on food stamps or whatever, and we'll waive the $5.00 fee.)

This is just a suggestion, and a starting point for further discussion, don't tase me bro etc.

90 posted on 03/19/2013 11:23:57 AM PDT by Bryan
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To: Perdogg

I am pleased to see than 90% of the comments on this post got it right: Rand Paul is NOT Conservative and IS peddling Rat Poison.


91 posted on 03/19/2013 11:24:34 AM PDT by Waywardson (I did not vote for that pro-abortionist candidate!)
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Oh, one other thing.

They need to waive the right to bring in more family members.


92 posted on 03/19/2013 11:43:24 AM PDT by Bryan
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Once you start making such exceptions, it becomes a slippery slope. The 1986 amnesty required five years being a resident, less than three misdemeanors, learning English, and paying various fees. The process was rife with fraud with phony document mills located just blocks away from the processing centers. The USG estimated 1 million would apply, but the true number turned out to be 2.7 million.

The proponents of the 1986 amnesty promised that it would be a one time affair never to happen again. It was to be the first and only amnesty. Now 27 years later we have 12 to 20 million or maybe more illegal aliens. We are told this will be the last amnesty. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

I can't understand what the urgency is to legalize those already here illegally. The best approach is to enforce our existing laws and make this country as unwelcoming as it can be to illegal aliens. Instead, we are offering in-state tuition, food stamps, driver's licenses, etc. and even a backdoor amnesty. Why reward people who thumbed their noses at our laws brazenly flaunting them. They work illegally, commit ID theft, drive illegally, appropriate SSNs, lie on employment applications, evade taxes, etc. Are these the kind of people we want as citizens?

93 posted on 03/19/2013 11:55:49 AM PDT by kabar
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Those are great ideas.

The problem with Rubio and McCain is that they are so desperate for a deal w Dems that they are willing to give in to stuff like citizenship(voting) before negotiations start. And Obama will get the credit for it, they wont.

Another one is ID fraud. How many false IDs did they use here?

I cant tell from what Paul said if he is serious, and the promise of border conditions alone strikes me as lame.

Paul sounds to me like he wants Hispanics to see him as the next compassionate conservative by claiming they are all conservatives who would be insulted if the gub offered them or their kids anything for free.
He is talking to them when he says this.

They are all scared.

94 posted on 03/19/2013 12:00:04 PM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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Yeah I can see how that will play. No family reunification for you. I can see the sob stories being pushed by the MSM. Many of the illegals come without their wives and children hence the $20 billion a year being sent back to Mexico alone.

The Heritage Foundation concluded that the cost of amnesty would be $2.6 trillion just for increased entitlement program costs. And the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who would join those who were the recipients of amnesty through chain migration, i.e., family reunification, would approach 70 million over a 20-year period, assuming there are only 12 million illegal aliens. We cannot assimilate such numbers. An amnesty would destroy the United States of America with the stroke of a pen.

95 posted on 03/19/2013 12:01:34 PM PDT by kabar
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“Republicans need to become parents of a new future with Latino voters “

What???? Parents???? IF they need PARENTS, we don’t need them! Not very libertarian of you, Sen.Paul. Just another GOP sell out.


96 posted on 03/19/2013 12:07:35 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: kabar

BTT


97 posted on 03/19/2013 12:12:09 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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As another FReeper has put it so eloquently: all I want to know is which laws I get to break without penalty.


98 posted on 03/19/2013 12:14:11 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: sickoflibs

Hannity says Paul is on his show today.


99 posted on 03/19/2013 12:14:43 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: kabar

That was a hell of a post. Thank you.


100 posted on 03/19/2013 12:15:05 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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