Posted on 03/29/2013 5:43:13 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Really? How would eliminating state recognition of marriage address the problem of forced adoptions by homosexuals? How would it address the issue of homosexuals’ friends in the courts forcing private businesses to serve them?
These things have all happened in the absence of forced recognition of homosexual “marriage,” and there’s no reason to believe the situation will not continue to snowball.
Thus any and all tax laws related to marriage go away (for better or worse) and “Marriage” becomes a contract between 2:n people of any sex or relationship.
And thus, meaningless.
Game, set and match to the liberals — this is their endgame.
No. Traditional marriage has always been encouraged for a good reason. Repubs are throwing in the towel because they are scared and are trying to rationalize why they are cowards.
Since the only duties of the federal government are to provide a common defense and deliver the mail, why not begin divorcing government from all areas in which it has encroached upon private liberty?
Government does all things poorly these days, yet it insists on giving more and more power to corrupt people with a lust for control. This is exactly the kind of government that the Founders warned against.
Would it be better to have homosexual marriage or no government-sanctioned marriage at all?
You can't just say "government won't be involved". It's not logical at all. The homosexual lobby is trying to change things -- and the Libertarian types who say "get government out of the marriage business" are playing right into the hands of the homosexual lobby and saying "You guys are great! Yes! Let's change things!"
Marriage as an institution isn't broke. Don't try to fix it.
So we DECLARE DEFEAT and move on?
I mean if there wasn’t a push for gay marriage today, would anyone be thinking of outlawing marriage, which is what is being suggested here?
So I guess they set the agenda, and us conservatives are forced to buckle to it?
Who the heck wants to avoid the cultural war?? Bring it on! We can't just give up -- we need to meet the challenge and preserve the things worth preserving. Throwing marriage away in an effort to get along well with the homosexuals is just not a sensible strategy.
No kidding. Their side must be worried about what they’re going to do for the next 20 years. I doubt they figured we’d BUCKLE that quickly. After all, we’ve been fairly tough on other issues, like gun control.
And for those tempted to take the bait because “married people and people with kids get all the benefits”, ask yourself how long this country will be around if we ended all incentives to have a family. We’re already getting killed demographically, even with the incentives. End the incentives, and that pretty much ends the country just about one generation from now.
...but at least you won’t be called homophobic, and that’s all that really matters. Right? Honestly?
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For most of western civilization, the institution of marriage didn’t involve a government-issued marriage certificate. I have long maintained that marriage, as an institution of the church, is one in which the government does not belong. However, government IS involved in the marriage business and most likely always will be. For government to simply “get out of the marriage business” would involve re-writing several pages of state and federal law, which is not going to happen.
“Because then government couldn’t use marriage as a weapon against inconvenient citizens.”
Can you give us some examples, please?
“For government to simply “get out of the marriage business” would involve re-writing several pages of state and federal law...”
It would also, effectively, end our country as having kids is expensive enough, even with the help from the government. No incentives, no kids - that simple.
Yes, there will be a few kids...of course. Every few couples will have their one token kid, but the others will simply say “why bother”.
“Because then government couldn’t use marriage as a weapon against inconvenient citizens.”
That’s why it will never happen, there are people on both sides who don’t want it to ever happen for completely different reasons. Conservatives recognize that a good state could promote a good culture by promoting marriage. Statists and homosexualists recognize that state recognized ‘gay marriage’ is just a way to punish and keep punishing those who will never buy into ‘gay marriage’ or whatever other impossibility the state decides to call marriage.
Freegards
Minor issue...and only hits when both spouses make almost the same amount of money. For a one-earner household, it works the opposite way. We’ve benefited greatly by the incentive for my wife to stay home and raise our kids.
I’d rather work on fixing the penalty, then ending marriage - but maybe I’m just not with it.
Those things all occurred before gay marriage. As I see it civil unions wouldn’t further or restrain any of it. Unmarried gay couples and single gay parents have been adopting children for quite awhile.
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